What the heck are you talking about? Immigration reform?
No, I am talking about the entertaining tendency of some to
both A) instantly decry any perceived attempt by the US to dominate any other nation in the pursuit of our national interests
and B) insist that geopolitical opponents of the U.S. nonetheless have a right to do so.
Perhaps your mind is so steeped in this liberal conservative foolishness that you can't understand what is going on. There are people, both liberal and conservative, who feel it is very dangerous to confront Russia the way we did right on their border in Ukraine. This isn't about some backward ignorant liberal vs conservative contest, it's about trying to keep mankind out of a nuclear war.
Ah. Still hoping that verbiage and ad hominem can serve in place of data and reason, I see.
Alright, please post all of these very reasonable people who thought that we risked
nuclear war over Crimea, or that we even dangerously confronted Russia there.
I'll wait.
Victoria Nuland's aggressive move on Ukraine is meant to keep Russia's economic structure in such a position that Russia it's economic, and as a result political power structure is dependent on the blessings of the US/European economic and political power structure for it's survival.
:lamo:
Victoria Nulands' aggressive move on Ukraine?
What aggressive move on Ukraine? In order to have an aggressive move, you have to
be aggressive. Hell, we were
tepid at
best. How many Marines did we move? How many planes? Did we send lethal aid to the Ukrainians? Did we put a portion of the Fleet off the coast?
Did we even restart our cancelled missile defense installations in Poland? No, we didn't.
Hint: "being aggressive towards Russia" doesn't fall under "she said 'F the EU'".
That is just sorry, partisan political rhetoric that is designed to make the President appear to be weak.
No, it is a pretty matter of fact description of reality. When something matters to us, we do something about it. We aren't doing anything serious about Crimea. Hence, it doesn't matter to us.
But I think that the lady doth protest too much?
And to borrow your words, "as a side note," it is rather interesting to see people who claim to be patriotic and conservative, do every despicable thing they can to try to paint the President as weak at such a crucial time in modern history
Yup, the lady doth protest too much.
The President
is weak. Because he doesn't
care. Because being tough would require
effort, and he's simply not willing to devote it. It's not on his list of priorities. (shrug)
However, that's not what I was actually saying (though you jumped to it entertainingly quickly). I was simply pointing out that, when we care about something, we do something about it. We aren't doing anything about Crimea, hence, we don't care about it.
The fact that all you have is complaints that
that's mean in response, rather demonstrates the point.
While we had absolutely no business pushing things the way we did in Ukraine with respect to the events between the time Yanukovich balked at the EU deal to the time of his ouster, they way that Obama has responded has been absolutely correct. Only a fool would suggest that the US use military force to keep Crimea a part of Ukraine. Do you really think Russia would sit there and let us do that? They will do anything, including using nuclear weapons to keep that from happening, and they would be stupid if they did not.
:doh Please show me the people who are claiming that Russia would have started nuclear war in order to seize Crimea.
We are doing something. The sanctions that have been imposed on Russia are hurting it, and are the correct response. So please stop making up crap that we are not doing anything.
:lamo: Our "sanctions" aren't doing squat. Our "Sanctions" are us freezing the bank accounts of a few senior leaders whom we are accusing of being naughty. Russia
laughed when they heard that that was what we were doing in response.
One need only look at the value of the ruble and the capital flight that has afflicted Russia to see that what you are saying is pure nonsense.
....are you seriously blaming the sanctions for the fact that an oil-dependent economy is hurting during a sharp reduction in oil prices, or that geopolitical instability harms trade?
Please. Show me how freezing a few bank accounts has shaped "the value of the ruble and capital flight". "Serious Consequences". Yeah. Just like they were for the Syrian Red Line.
Super Serial, man!