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Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care - The Washington Post

This is so shocking to hear from a Democrat that I wonder if hes being sarcastic. Is his message really praising Democrats for doing what was "right" instead of what was political? Beyond all that he makes some great points. Most healthcare spending is by govt programs already, the rest through employers where they dont pay alot. So the ACA didnt help very many people, and those people dont even vote. And this was all at a time when the focus should have been on jobs and economic growth, financial stability, not new and bigger govt socialism.

The same might be said if immigration now. Why is politics focused on something which will help very few people, at a time when security, debt, deficits, spending, taxes, are more important? And this is confirmed in polling. Voters dont want amnesty, and they dont care about immigration as much as they care about govt taxing and spending, and regulation.

Finally! Finally the realization of the priorities of the electorate dawns on Schumer. Hell Schumer. What took you so long? What took all the others in Congress so long? Why are you guys generally so clueless?

This is what many have been saying from the very first introduction of the Obamacare legislation.
 
Why would I, as an investor, do anything to improve wages? If you want to earn more money then you go get the skills you need to be worth more. The only person's wages I am obligated to improve are my own.

Government is intentionally strangling job creation. It is what authoritarian states do.

my post was cited and thus i am obligated to state that in no way did i assert that employers have an obligation to raise wages
my reference to better wages and more jobs was taken directly from schmuck schumer's statement where he is castigating the president for effecting Obamacare in lieu of addressing those other issues
and allow me again point out that i can find nothing that schumer has done himself to address those other issues as a member of the nation's senate, which issues schumer found more essential to address than Obamacare
there is no politician i hold in lower regard than schmuck, the waterboy of wall street
 
Cmon Pero. :2wave: Haven't you seen the left running around and talking about the mid-term means nothing. Its just the usual. Par for the Course. :golf

Elections have consequences.....but this one doesn't. :roll:

If the Republican congress concentrates on what the voters want, improving the economy. If they do not get caught up in the immigration trap set by the president, that could be another nail in the coffin for the Democrats come 2016. The voters voiced their displeasure earlier this month with Democrats not concentrating on the economy, that was confirmed in all the exist polls. But to take advantage of the voters wishes, more attention needs to be on the economy and not reversing Obama's EO on immigration. His EO only reinforces the mood in the peoples minds that the Democrats are not interested in improving the economy, the number issue in the voters minds this last election.
 
If the Republican congress concentrates on what the voters want, improving the economy. If they do not get caught up in the immigration trap set by the president, that could be another nail in the coffin for the Democrats come 2016. The voters voiced their displeasure earlier this month with Democrats not concentrating on the economy, that was confirmed in all the exist polls. But to take advantage of the voters wishes, more attention needs to be on the economy and not reversing Obama's EO on immigration. His EO only reinforces the mood in the peoples minds that the Democrats are not interested in improving the economy, the number issue in the voters minds this last election.


Didn't you have a poll on what people thought of the ACA and its results from the Election? Or a few of them that validated the issue for the elections? As we know Schumer didn't miss that all the Repubs across the country were talking about BO's special package and running against it.
 
Methinks someone wants Harry Reid's leadership position.

Mornin' TB. :2wave: Well he does want the minority leader spot.....but for some reason the Demos are going with Harry. Rather than sending him to pasture.
 
As long as Schumer says he's sorry we can move on to screw up anything that hasn't been thus far...there's so much that hasn't been screwed up yet. As Obama has said, Americans don't know how good they have it, and the left is going to prove it.
 
Didn't you have a poll on what people thought of the ACA and its results from the Election? Or a few of them that validated the issue for the elections? As we know Schumer didn't miss that all the Repubs across the country were talking about BO's special package and running against it.

Since the ACA's initial passage it has hung around the necks of Democrats like a millstone. When more than 50% of all Americans are against it, it is a great campaign issue for the GOP. The only time the Democrats won an election was 2012 when those opposed the ACA was below 50% and its support was at its highest:

Date…......for..against
Nov 09….38%…53%
May 10….40%...53%
Nov 10….38%....54% Republicans gain 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats, Obama approval rate 45% approve 49% disapprove
May 11….39%....52%
Nov 11….39%....49%
May 12….39%....49%
Nov 12….42%....47% Obama wins presidential election, Obama Approval rate 51% approve 47% disapprove
May 13….39%....49%
Nov 13….39%....53%
May 14….41%....52%
Nov 14…..38%....52% Republicans gain 9 senate and 13 House seats. Obama approval rating 41% approve 55% Disapprove.
 
Since the ACA's initial passage it has hung around the necks of Democrats like a millstone. When more than 50% of all Americans are against it, it is a great campaign issue for the GOP. The only time the Democrats won an election was 2012 when those opposed the ACA was below 50% and its support was at its highest:

Date…......for..against
Nov 09….38%…53%
May 10….40%...53%
Nov 10….38%....54% Republicans gain 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats, Obama approval rate 45% approve 49% disapprove
May 11….39%....52%
Nov 11….39%....49%
May 12….39%....49%
Nov 12….42%....47% Obama wins presidential election, Obama Approval rate 51% approve 47% disapprove
May 13….39%....49%
Nov 13….39%....53%
May 14….41%....52%
Nov 14…..38%....52% Republicans gain 9 senate and 13 House seats. Obama approval rating 41% approve 55% Disapprove.



Another thing is.....what about the Demos that Right before the Election were out with Repair and Improve BO care? I think Manchin was one of them.

So even before the Election, Demos were splitting over the matter.
 
Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care - The Washington Post

This is so shocking to hear from a Democrat that I wonder if hes being sarcastic. Is his message really praising Democrats for doing what was "right" instead of what was political? Beyond all that he makes some great points. Most healthcare spending is by govt programs already, the rest through employers where they dont pay alot. So the ACA didnt help very many people, and those people dont even vote. And this was all at a time when the focus should have been on jobs and economic growth, financial stability, not new and bigger govt socialism.

The same might be said if immigration now. Why is politics focused on something which will help very few people, at a time when security, debt, deficits, spending, taxes, are more important? And this is confirmed in polling. Voters dont want amnesty, and they dont care about immigration as much as they care about govt taxing and spending, and regulation.

Greetings, jonny5. :2wave:

Very well said! :thumbs: Far more than usual, voters sent a message during the midterms that they are more interested in their wallets and economic outlook than anything else. Obama promised during his campaign in 2008 that he would focus like a laser on jobs, and it hasn't happened. Enough is enough!

As far as Schumer is concerned, nobody pays much attention to anything he says, so this sounds to me like he's angling for the Minority Speaker's job. He's been drooling to replace Reid for quite a while, so while he appears to be having a change of heart on healthcare, he's not sincere. Obama insists on having that as his legacy - dog that it is - and Schumer knows that. Is it logical that he would undercut his leader? Not bloody likely! The healthcare and immigration societal changes that Obama is pushing for keeps everyone focused on them, which is what it's meant to do. Jobs are just not important to Obama it appears.
 
my post was cited and thus i am obligated to state that in no way did i assert that employers have an obligation to raise wages
my reference to better wages and more jobs was taken directly from schmuck schumer's statement where he is castigating the president for effecting Obamacare in lieu of addressing those other issues
and allow me again point out that i can find nothing that schumer has done himself to address those other issues as a member of the nation's senate, which issues schumer found more essential to address than Obamacare
there is no politician i hold in lower regard than schmuck, the waterboy of wall street
I see. Your entire post was a schumer quote. I assumed the paragraph break ended the quote and continued with your comment.

Got it. :)
 
Another thing is.....what about the Demos that Right before the Election were out with Repair and Improve BO care? I think Manchin was one of them.

So even before the Election, Demos were splitting over the matter.

Manchin is more of an old type conservative Democrat. Manchin is a senator who think his job is to represent West Virginia instead of the Democratic Party. West Virginia first, Democratic Party second, that is the way it should be. Any senator should represent his state first, his party second.
 
To be fair, Schumer also said that the problem is Democrats havent been big govt enough. But at least what hes saying is true about the party. Of course Obama says hes the smallest govt, least spending. most conservative president in history.

"We must convince the middle class that the only way out of their morass is by embracing a strong and effective government, not demeaning or running from it," Schumer said during a lengthy speech at the National Press Club, which at times sounded like an analysis of political trends over the last 100 years. "We’re a pro-government party," he added in summation. "We have been all along. We can’t run from it."

"People know in their hearts that when big powerful private sector forces degrade their lifestyle only government can protect them."

Chuck Schumer's Cure for Democrats - The Atlantic
 
In 2016, you'll be able to count the democrats up for election bragging about the passage of Obamacare on one hand. Probably even if you worked in a sawmill as a young child with attention deficit disorder.
 
It is amazing to watch how quickly the left will throw one of their own under the bus if they step out of party line for even a second. Yeah, Schumer, the commie darling, is a "representative of wall street". HA! Good one.
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So now "the left" is not allowed to criticize those commonly thought to be part of their ranks? Weren't you just telling me the other day that the left refuse to hold "their own" accountable?
 
What I think Schummer admitted to was the people elected Obama and the Democrats to fix the economy back in 2008. The people were fixated on the economy, not healthcare. When he and the Democrats took their eyes off the economy to concentrate on healthcare, that is not what the majority of the people wanted. He never said the ACA was a bad thing, he said it was good and needed which I disagree with him. But it wasn't what the people wanted at the time. Then 2010 happened, a complete shock to Obama and the Democrats.

I have been saying the same thing for years. 2010 happened because the Democrats ignored the wishes of the people. Now if one looks at the exit polls for the 2014 election, the voters are saying the same thing, its the economy stupid. 45% of them said the economy was their number one issue, 78% of the voters said they are worried about their and the nation's financial future.

No brainier right? But what is the first thing the president does even though I am sure he knew what was foremost on the minds of the voters, immigration reform. Bad move? Maybe.

If the new Republican congress concentrate on the removal of his immigration EO and take their attention off the economy, then this may have been a good move. But if the new Republican congress doesn't, if they concentrate on passing bills dealing with the economy, then the president and the Democrats may rue the day. So the ball is now in the Republican's court. My opinion.



^^ that
 
He got sidetracked into doing a political agenda instead of what the people elected him to do in the first place. First it cost him the House, then it cost him the senate. This is what happens at times when those whom the people elect fail to listed to those who voted for them.

A few points:

1. It is amazing anyone would think the ideology he foments would have created anything but what has happened. He got 700 Billion, spread it around the crony Capitalist/Socialist way and has had a trillion dollars annually (can't really call them budgets because he didn't have any).

2.His goals have been to make people dependent, to knock the successful, even support thuggery (remember the AIG execs in fear of thugs... Occupy Wall Street). It all goes back to Pt. 1. This is who these people are.

3. He's a liar, as is the foundation of their party ideology. Gruber revealed the typical Demokrat. Gruber revealed how they get their legislation passed, even when all their stuff has failed miserably. The Demokrats want people dependent so they look to government.

These people haven't figured out the best government, one that has a chance of functioning is a small government (or they have but habe too much invested in failure). That states should run their own shows, should be 50 experiments, so if one goes bad, others can learn and it doesn't harm that many. When the feds screw up, it hits everyone... and they Socialists have created some doozies... some real herion for the Gruber junkies.

In reality, Congress should be 80% Republican, but the press are the Gruber propagandists, they're salesmen for the idiocy, and many lazy and ignorant have bought the BS.
 
schmuck schumer:
[emphasis added by bubba]
the asshole has not yet realized that those things could also be addressed

now let's see what that representative of wall street has done to effect better wages and more jobs to overcome the effects of the recession. and you will find the answer is NOTHING

Good point about other things could also have been dealt with. It was never a health care or everything else choice. I worked my ass off to get Obama elected in 08 and I was overjoyed to read about his interest in FDR and the Hundred Days where Congress passed a ton of progressive legislation in record time since they had big numbers in Congress. Hah! What a joke it was to think that Obama might be the second coming of FDR. Sadly - we instead for Jimmy Carter. Obama squandered and waster big majorities in both houses of Congress and piddled it all away coming out with his weak watered down conservative inspired health care plan. Very sad indeed.
 
So now "the left" is not allowed to criticize those commonly thought to be part of their ranks? Weren't you just telling me the other day that the left refuse to hold "their own" accountable?

I don't think it was me you said that to, but your point is valid.
 
I'm viewing Schumer's statements are the act of desperate Democrats wanting to claw their way back up the cliff that Obama has led them over.

And that they promise to do better this next time around. You know, listen to what the electorate is telling them? But since when have the Demcorats ever listened?
 
schmuck schumer:
[emphasis added by bubba]
the asshole has not yet realized that those things could also be addressed

now let's see what that representative of wall street has done to effect better wages and more jobs to overcome the effects of the recession. and you will find the answer is NOTHING



My, my. How quickly a hero holding back the hordes of rabid right wingers becomes an "asshole".

Must be it's something he said
 
Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care - The Washington Post

This is so shocking to hear from a Democrat that I wonder if hes being sarcastic. Is his message really praising Democrats for doing what was "right" instead of what was political? Beyond all that he makes some great points. Most healthcare spending is by govt programs already, the rest through employers where they dont pay alot. So the ACA didnt help very many people, and those people dont even vote. And this was all at a time when the focus should have been on jobs and economic growth, financial stability, not new and bigger govt socialism.

The same might be said if immigration now. Why is politics focused on something which will help very few people, at a time when security, debt, deficits, spending, taxes, are more important? And this is confirmed in polling. Voters dont want amnesty, and they dont care about immigration as much as they care about govt taxing and spending, and regulation.



How did he vote on the ACA and the Republicans attempts to change and/or block it?

But it wasn’t the change we were hired to make; Americans were crying out for an end to the recession, for better wages and more jobs; not for changes in their health care. This makes sense considering that 85 percent of all Americans got their health care from either the government – Medicare or Medicaid – or their employer. And if health care costs were going up, it didn’t really affect them.


That is political speak for "I hear you, you don't like Obamacare and want better jobs......and Oh, don't you think I would make a pretty good president?"

Hillary is toast.

I said it hear, you can hold me accountable, she will never be president of the United States
 
So you don't like Schumer? He represents Wall Street? Wow.

I don't like Schumer. I have never liked him. I have never said I liked him. I agree with Bubba's comment regarding Schumer. First and foremost, Chuck Schumer has always been a strong supporter of Chuck Schumer. Beyond that he does what Big Money tells him to do. Big Money/Wall Street owns Washington, both ruling parties. That is a surprise to you?
 
I don't like Schumer. I have never liked him. I have never said I liked him. I agree with Bubba's comment regarding Schumer. First and foremost, Chuck Schumer has always been a strong supporter of Chuck Schumer. Beyond that he does what Big Money tells him to do. Big Money/Wall Street owns Washington, both ruling parties. That is a surprise to you?

I'm not impressed by those who like to play both sides. My response wasn't to you, but you piped up like you were guilty.
 
"Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care"

I think he is wrong. They should have reformed health care. Too bad what they did failed to do that.
 
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