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FBI reports 27 cops were killed last year. But how many civilians...

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... were killed by officers?

On April 18, 2013, 27-year-old Sean Collier, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer, was shot and killed as he sat in his patrol car on campus. His alleged killer: one of the two brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston Marathon bombings three days earlier.

Collier was one of 27 police officers fatally wounded in the line of duty last year, according to the FBI, which released its annual report on the topic Monday. Forty-nine others died in accidents.

The bureau compiles a wealth of statistics on law enforcement deaths: The number decreased by 45 percent compared with the 49 officers killed in 2012. The average age of the officer killed last year was 39. All but two were white. Two were black. Two were female.

Six were killed while making arrests. Five were ambushed. Four were involved in tactical situations. All but one were killed with a firearm. One was struck and killed by a vehicle.

But there is no reliable data on the number of civilians who are killed by police officers each year, The Post’s Wes Lowery reported in September.
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Obviously, following the Ferguson story the WP has published the statistics of cops’ murders. The article states that there is no reliable data on the number of civilians who are killed by police officers each year.
I tried to find this information on my own, but I didn’t manage to find reliable or full statistics on the issue. Still, here are some sites with the info:
US Police Have Killed Over 5,000 Civilians Since 9/11
Fatal Encounters | A step toward creating an impartial, comprehensive and searchable national database of people killed during interactions with law enforcement
Anyway, it’s undeniable that such information is being hidden from the public, and if you want to get something solid, you need to do a research of your own.
At the same time, I must say, I understand the people in Ferguson in their outrage, for this is definitely not the first case, and no the last one. Just remember the recent story of the 12-year-old. How many are to follow? Can we stop them? Should we follow the example of Ferguson?
 
CRUE CAB said:
Disband all PDs and patrol yourself.
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I personally wouldn't care. The PD has been ****-all use to me for over forty years, and I don't call 911, I call Colt 45.


But vigilantism has its own problems.
 
Best I can tell no one, including the FBI, has a statistic on how many people are killed by the Police each year. I've seen reportings of everything from 400 "justifiable homicides by law enforcement" to as many as 500 or more. The main issue for the lack of knowledge is reporting, not every police agency across the nation reports to the FBI when a police officer kills someone. If deemed justified by some other local agency or organization of law then it very well may not be reported to the FBI for their stats on the matter. I would agree that is a problem, but in itself the number does not identify a solution.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Disband all PDs and patrol yourself.
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lol.... Yeah, I definitely want my fellow citizens, who have zero training and no accountability, to run around making "Citizens' Arrests" all the time. I'm sure that will produce safer outcomes for all.
 
Tameamea said:
... were killed by officers?



Source

Obviously, following the Ferguson story the WP has published the statistics of cops’ murders. The article states that there is no reliable data on the number of civilians who are killed by police officers each year.
I tried to find this information on my own, but I didn’t manage to find reliable or full statistics on the issue. Still, here are some sites with the info:
US Police Have Killed Over 5,000 Civilians Since 9/11
Fatal Encounters | A step toward creating an impartial, comprehensive and searchable national database of people killed during interactions with law enforcement
Anyway, it’s undeniable that such information is being hidden from the public, and if you want to get something solid, you need to do a research of your own.
At the same time, I must say, I understand the people in Ferguson in their outrage, for this is definitely not the first case, and no the last one. Just remember the recent story of the 12-year-old. How many are to follow? Can we stop them? Should we follow the example of Ferguson?
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Sounds like 5,000 fewer **** heads in the world.
 
apdst said:
Sounds like 5,000 fewer **** heads in the world.
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Ah, maybe most... but we KNOW some of these shoots were completely the wrong person or based on faulty perceptions.


What we don't know is how many, and it is a problem that we don't even know that.
 
Goshin said:
Ah, maybe most... but we KNOW some of these shoots were completely the wrong person or based on faulty perceptions.


What we don't know is how many, and it is a problem that we don't even know that.
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Ok, 4,950 fewer **** heads.
 
And of those 5,000 killed by police, how many civilians were killed or injured and/or terrorized by them before the police got to them?
 
LagerHead said:
You've personally reviewed the facts in all 5,000 of these cases? You must be exhausted.
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Have you? Post your findings. Can't wait. Thanks in advance.
 
apdst said:
Have you? Post your findings. Can't wait. Thanks in advance.
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Nope. But I don't make determinations about the character of people before they've had their day in court. Only one of us can make that claim.
 
LagerHead said:
Nope. But I don't make determinations about the character of people before they've had their day in court. Only one of us can make that claim.
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You're making the determination that not all of them are justified shootings. How did you come to that conclusion.
 
apdst said:
You're making the determination that not all of them are justified shootings. How did you come to that conclusion.
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I never made that claim. How did YOU come to that conclusion?
 
apdst said:
You're suggesting I'm wrong. Are you just guessing?
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I'm not suggesting that, either. Let me break it down for you.

YOU claimed that there are now 5,000 fewer, what was it, ****heads in the world?

I simply asked how you knew that every single one of those were ****heads and that there weren't at least a few that should be alive today. That's all I want to know.
 
Wikipedia says there are roughly 800,000 police officers with the power to arrest you in the US. If we assume that all 5,000 people killed by police were killed by different police officers (not really a safe assumption), that would mean that a little over half a percent (~0.625%) of all police officers kill one person during one calendar year.
 
Visbek said:
lol.... Yeah, I definitely want my fellow citizens, who have zero training and no accountability, to run around making "Citizens' Arrests" all the time. I'm sure that will produce safer outcomes for all.
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Then tell people that if they are not going to do the job themselves. Quit complaining.
 
Tameamea said:
... were killed by officers?



Source

Obviously, following the Ferguson story the WP has published the statistics of cops’ murders. The article states that there is no reliable data on the number of civilians who are killed by police officers each year.
I tried to find this information on my own, but I didn’t manage to find reliable or full statistics on the issue. Still, here are some sites with the info:
US Police Have Killed Over 5,000 Civilians Since 9/11
Fatal Encounters | A step toward creating an impartial, comprehensive and searchable national database of people killed during interactions with law enforcement
Anyway, it’s undeniable that such information is being hidden from the public, and if you want to get something solid, you need to do a research of your own.
At the same time, I must say, I understand the people in Ferguson in their outrage, for this is definitely not the first case, and no the last one. Just remember the recent story of the 12-year-old. How many are to follow? Can we stop them? Should we follow the example of Ferguson?
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Why have Leftist judges in Missouri not released the juvenile record of Michael Brown? By law, after the person is dead, his juvie records should be make public.

Of course Big'Mike was gangbanger, a filthy and racist rapper and an unsuccessful cop killer.

Gangsters, like Gentle Giant Michael Brown are responsible for up to 80% of murders in the US each year. What has our Great Leader BO said to these people?

"Stay the course."
 
It would seem that a lot of people distrust the police. Let me put it to you this way... 9/11 was 13 years ago, so 5,000 civilians dead in 13 years comes to 384 deaths/year. Google says that 150 cops are killed in the line of duty each year. So.... to me 384 criminals being killed versus 150 cops being killed is not a bad situation. Watching the "peaceful protesters" in Ferguson taunt men in body armor and carrying assault rifles just goes to show that some people are incredibly stupid, and deserve what they get when they provoke cops or involve themselves in dangerous situations. Cops are human, and it's easy to play Monday-morning quarterback judging the reactions that someone made in a split-second decision when their life was on the line. Don't charge a cop when you are unarmed. Don't draw a toy gun on a cop when they tell you to put your hands up. If I am ever pulled over I plan to comply with the officer's instructions in a polite manner, and then discuss any issues I have with the encounter in a court of law.
 
So sick of the anti-LE attitude of our society. There's a few simple ways to avoid a run in with a cop. 1) Don't commit a crime 2) Stay away from areas where crimes are typically committed. 3) Do what you're told when you approached by a LEO. If people would follow those simple rules, a vast majority of the incidents that occur wouldn't happen. Are all cops great guys? No they're not. But most of them are good citizens that are doing a job most of you whining on this forum dont have the balls to do. So instead of constantly second guessing their actions, how about giving them the benefit of the doubt every once in a while. Lastly, remember one thing. You can whine, bi***, and moan all you want about cops. But when you wake up at 2am to a window breaking in your home, remember who's coming to help.
 
LagerHead said:
I'm not suggesting that, either. Let me break it down for you.

YOU claimed that there are now 5,000 fewer, what was it, ****heads in the world?

I simply asked how you knew that every single one of those were ****heads and that there weren't at least a few that should be alive today. That's all I want to know.
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No, you implied they weren't ****heads. And if you read the original post you'll see he said "It looks like".
 
OrphanSlug said:
Best I can tell no one, including the FBI, has a statistic on how many people are killed by the Police each year. I've seen reportings of everything from 400 "justifiable homicides by law enforcement" to as many as 500 or more. The main issue for the lack of knowledge is reporting, not every police agency across the nation reports to the FBI when a police officer kills someone. If deemed justified by some other local agency or organization of law then it very well may not be reported to the FBI for their stats on the matter. I would agree that is a problem, but in itself the number does not identify a solution.[/QUOTE]


That's correct but it would identify a problem.
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LagerHead said:
You're reaching. And not well.
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You're calling him out as saying something definitive when he didn't. He, like you, is supposing, theorizing. You're the pot calling the kettle black here.
 
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