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It has to do with the system.

You want to argue bout rioters, and blacks, and looters...simplistic ****.

I'm 10 steps ahead of your simplistic understanding... Go back to arguing about thugs.

You claim the Constitution of the U.S. has nothing to do with state courts; and yet you turn right around and claim other posters have a "simplistic understanding." Thanks for the laugh!
 
The GJ and just about every legal mind in the country disagrees with you. But then, you're a lawyer. :lamo

LOL.....maybe on FauxNews....but I've heard differently from many other legal minds.....but then again you wouldn't understand.
 
Just drop it. No one here believes you are a lawyer. Maybe you were once a paralegal. And no, we don't trust you.

Believe whatever you want.....no skin off my back. Its your ignorance....and I and the State of California know otherwise. LOL.....
 
because the evidence was presented in a very one-sided manner
the presentation was made to focus on that which exculpated wilson and away from the evidence which might convict him

From the prosecutor's presentation at the presser, he stated the he laid out all the evidence, regardless of whether it was both pro and con to he officer before the GJ. I'm not getting why you are calling that one-sided. Seems to have been all sides WRT the evidence.
 
Its the face of a thug with a badge.

You don't know the guy. I don't see how you can draw that conclusion fairly.

On the other hand, we do know that Brown was a thug, because of what he did in the store. I'd hazard a guess that this wasn't his first time at doing something like that in a store either.
 
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No, the difference lies in why they are rioting. In Keene it was a party gone out of control, there's no party element in Ferguson right now. However, I'm all for getting every photo of the rioters from Keene, arresting and jailing them, just as I suggest for Ferguson.

I am in Keene NH right now visiting my wife's family for thanksgiving. The "pumpkin fest" according to my in laws has become a bit of an out of control college party which was widely condemned and worth pointing out that a few hundred Keene state students turned up in the morning to help with the clean up.
 
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I am in Keene NH right now visiting my wife's family for thanksgiving. The "pumpkin fest" according to my in laws has become a bit of an out of control college party which was widely condemned and worth pointing out that a few hundred Keene state students turned up in the morning to help with the clean up.

That pumkin fiasco was the "white version of ferguson". :lol:
 
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Absolutely not. There is definitely systematic privilege on behalf of black people in America today. My children, with equal or better tests scores and grades would be shunned aside in the college admissions process for any mediocre black applicant.

Only the bottom of the barrel competes with AA. Bottom of the barrel applicants are passed over for more qualified individuals. You fail to quantify the value of addressing unjustly withheld opportunity and diversity.
 
From the prosecutor's presentation at the presser, he stated the he laid out all the evidence, regardless of whether it was both pro and con to he officer before the GJ. I'm not getting why you are calling that one-sided. Seems to have been all sides WRT the evidence.
who questioned what was presented, such as asking if this was the face of someone who being truthful when he said he was fearful the next blow to it might be fatal:
ferguson cop the day after the shooting getting his face punched twice.jpg
who questioned why there was no material from wilson under brown's fingernails despite wilson's insistence that brown scratched him
in short, there was no party asking whether the proffered 'evidence' was the evidence it was presented to be. there was no rebuttal, no questioning of the 'evidence'
there were witnesses saying brown charged the officer. there were others saying he put his hands in a position of surrender. that alone should have been enough to cause there to be a basis for a trial to ferret out which testimony was truthful. there was enough doubt about that circumstance alone to provoke a finding of probable cause. the testimony of the officer does not reconcile with the facts relative to the distance of the officer from brown at the time of the shooting. was he mistaken or lying. again, a basis for probable cause
to fail to try the officer to determine the truth of this case is a failure of our justice system
 
An officer is allowed to use deadly force if they believe that the use of force is necessary to protect themselves or others.

actually the standard is that police officers and OTHER civilians may use deadly force if and only if they have a reasonable belief that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent an imminent danger of death or severe bodily harm of an innocent or innocents
 
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" Optics " doesn't justify the crime of inciting a riot.

He should been in jail right now or out on bail

He sure sounds like a low-life SOB, but people can say amazingly outrageous things, even in front of rioters, without breaking the law. Inflammatory (literally, in this case!) speech like his is protected by the First Amendment unless it is both designed to produce imminent lawless action and likely to produce such action. He might claim that by "bitch" and "motherf----r" he was just referring to an unjust legal system, or some other general, abstract thing. And he might note that he never called on anyone to burn anything right then and there, and that what he said was not likely to provoke anyone to burn anything immediately.
 
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Only the bottom of the barrel competes with AA. Bottom of the barrel applicants are passed over for more qualified individuals. You fail to quantify the value of addressing unjustly withheld opportunity and diversity.

Most everyone competes with AA on some level. Diversity is a crock since we sent a man to the moon with an all-White command center and crew of astronauts. Watch the movie Apollo13 sometime to get a glimpse of the great country we once were. Simply put blacks have more opportunity in this country than anywhere in the world and simply can't compete on a large scale basis without AA which, by definition, takes an opportunity away from a better qualified White. The Chinese and Japanese laugh at us because of AA.
 
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That pumkin fiasco was the "white version of ferguson". :lol:

The rioters forced a Starbucks to stay open longer so they could buy more lattes.
 
who questioned what was presented, such as asking if this was the face of someone who being truthful when he said he was fearful the next blow to it might be fatal:
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who questioned why there was no material from wilson under brown's fingernails despite wilson's insistence that brown scratched him
in short, there was no party asking whether the proffered 'evidence' was the evidence it was presented to be. there was no rebuttal, no questioning of the 'evidence'
there were witnesses saying brown charged the officer. there were others saying he put his hands in a position of surrender. that alone should have been enough to cause there to be a basis for a trial to ferret out which testimony was truthful. there was enough doubt about that circumstance alone to provoke a finding of probable cause. the testimony of the officer does not reconcile with the facts relative to the distance of the officer from brown at the time of the shooting. was he mistaken or lying. again, a basis for probable cause
to fail to try the officer to determine the truth of this case is a failure of our justice system

OK, so say the GJ returned the judgement that there should be a trial.
So a trial happens, and the officer doesn't get convicted of a single thing. Why?

Because of all the conflicting, contradictory, and yes even self-contradictory testimony given by 'witnesses', and the officer's testimony being consistent with the physical evidence.

After months of tension building the verdict is read, the protestors are upset, and riot and burn buildings down, and fire at the firemen.

So what's the difference, really?
 
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Diversity is a crock since we sent a man to the moon with an all-White command center and crew of astronauts. Watch the movie Apollo13 sometime to get a glimpse of the great country we once were.

Well..
 
Lot of similarities with the London riots.

- Spark ignites the peasants.
- Peasants protest
- Social Media fuels it
- Becomes looting
- Establishment eventually restores order.


All a product of the "woe is me generation" that has infected the western world,
 
Lot of similarities with the London riots.

- Spark ignites the peasants.
- Peasants protest
- Social Media fuels it
- Becomes looting
- Establishment eventually restores order.


All a product of the "woe is me generation" that has infected the western world,

A lack of character in the agitators. It's not the generation itself, but rather the inherent violent brutalities of uncivilized man in groups matched with the youthful http:// angst. I thought this was ...ications/detail/the-new-politics-of-character
 
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A lack of character in the agitators. It's not the generation itself, but rather the inherent violent brutalities of uncivilized man in groups matched with the youthful angst.


I don't know mate this is my generation and I look around and all I see is people complaining about what the government has failed to deliver them and a strong hate for authority because they have been brought up without any.
 
who questioned what was presented, such as asking if this was the face of someone who being truthful when he said he was fearful the next blow to it might be fatal:
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who questioned why there was no material from wilson under brown's fingernails despite wilson's insistence that brown scratched him
in short, there was no party asking whether the proffered 'evidence' was the evidence it was presented to be. there was no rebuttal, no questioning of the 'evidence'
there were witnesses saying brown charged the officer. there were others saying he put his hands in a position of surrender. that alone should have been enough to cause there to be a basis for a trial to ferret out which testimony was truthful. there was enough doubt about that circumstance alone to provoke a finding of probable cause. the testimony of the officer does not reconcile with the facts relative to the distance of the officer from brown at the time of the shooting. was he mistaken or lying. again, a basis for probable cause
to fail to try the officer to determine the truth of this case is a failure of our justice system

All debunked. There were no actual witnesses saying he raised his hands in surrender. Your fixation on Brown's fingernails is noted, but I'm pretty sure by your inclusion of other falsehoods that you haven't even looked at the evidence presented to the GJ. And no, the GJ did not find any evidence that went against Officer Wilson's testimony, in fact the actual witnesses confirmed it.

You keep dredging up the testimony of folks who were never witnesses and those who blatantly lied and have been caught in it. You somehow trust them, but not any of the actual witnesses or Wilson. Why is that?
 
I don't know mate this is my generation and I look around and all I see is people complaining about what the government has failed to deliver them and a strong hate for authority because they have been brought up without any.

The 1920s and 1930s went through it, as had the 60s and 70s.

This isn't new among the young. The same populist, anti-establishment yammering becomes radicalized from time to time. Thankfully the millenials aren't as destructive as the generation of the 60s. They are relatively calm.
 
I think Michael Brown's parents' (Mom & Step-father) 'burn this bitch' speech yesterday will go down in the annals of greatest American speeches of all times along with the Gettysburg Address, JFK's inauguration address, and George Washington's Resignation Speech. It was a classic, complete with drooping pants, underwear and butt crack.:shock:

I knew nothing of any of this until today and looked it up:

Michael Brown's Stepfather Says 'Burn This Bitch Down' (Video)

...that step father should be arrested for inciting violence. I hope he was or will be. Makes you also understand that perhaps Michael Brown was more of a thug than his supporters would let on. Who gets up like that father shouting for violence? What a loser.
 
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Than the father should receive the same as the son.

You wanna incite violence? May it come upon your house ten-fold.

He should be in jail right now.

When I watched the mother break down on the back of the truck, what I thought was that she created this by raising a son that thought it was OK to rob, assault and fight with cops.

She should not be crying now because her kid turned out like that.
 
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He should be in jail right now.

When I watched the mother break down on the back of the truck, what I thought was that she created this by raising a son that thought it was OK to rob, assault and fight with cops.

She should not be crying now because her kid turned out like that.


Of course she's crying because it was the Man who made her kid that way, don't you understand?!?!?!?!
 
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The violence and destruction of the protests tonight is unacceptable but the degree of militarization of the Ferguson police force that I have seen tonight via the live streams is also completely unacceptable.

I agree, but entirely peaceful protests and cause social and economic upheaval. That is happening with the protests in Pakistan right now.
 
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