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I'm wondering where all this self-righteous soapboxing about rioting and violence was last month when a bunch of unruly white people absolutely ransacked Keene, N.H.

I mentioned Keene in an earlier post on this board pointing out that the Keene rioters were white and reminding people that whites riot too.

Did Keene get the national publicity that this case got? I don't believe it did. Nor were the Keene riots incited by adults (like Michael Brown's stepfather).
 
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I'm wondering where all this self-righteous soapboxing about rioting and violence was last month when a bunch of unruly white people absolutely ransacked Keene, N.H.

You can't seriously be comparing some White college kids building some bonfires in the streets of Keene and getting into some drunken fights with the complete destruction of multiple buildings/businesses and looting in Ferguson last night.
 
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I mentioned Keene in an earlier post on this board pointing out that the Keene rioters were white and reminding people that whites riot too.

Did Keene get the national publicity that this case got? I don't believe it did. Nor were the Keene riots incited by adults (like Michael Brown's stepfather).

It didn't get anywhere NEAR the national publicity that Ferguson got. Now, a big part of that is because Ferguson was percolating for a long time, whereas Keene was pretty spontaneous.

You're the only person I saw mention Keene. Vancouver also comes to mind, after the Canucks lost the Cup finals a few years ago.
 
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Absolutely it does. Whenever a cop is charged, rightly or wrongly, cops always rally around them. When was the last time other than in the movie "training day" did you hear about a cop turning a bad cop in? It rarely if ever happens.

So what? And the city of Ferguson rallied together against the cop and the national black community rallied together against the cop and many people who know better - like you - were calling the cop a "murderer". And neither rally had any impact on the decision. Do you have any evidence that the cops paid off or persuaded the jurors to discount the evidence?

Stop stretching and making nonsensical posts.
 
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You can't seriously be comparing some White college kids building some bonfires in the streets of Keene and getting into some drunken fights with the complete destruction of multiple buildings/businesses and looting in Ferguson last night.

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Harmless fun.
 
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The only thing I can disagree with in that is "part" of the problem. It IS the problem; this is the unwanted child of divisive politics, decades of using race as leverage; the protests of "racist!" at every early criticism is more than an annoying toss back, but repeated again and again in the background dialogue, people on both sides begin to believe it.

When trouble comes, people instinctively look to their leaders, few presidents lose elections in war time, George W. Bush score better numbers than Reagan in the post 911 days with words.

But the leadership, both parties, have been creating division. Where other jurisdictions have "wedge issues" like oil pipelines, the politique nationale has become a war zone of created chasms. And the current adminstration, void of vision, ability and common sense has perfected the weapon into a battering ram, no issue can escape the void.

What alarmed me then was when Obama weighed into the Trayvor Martin thing, becoming the first president in history to smash the protocol of presidents not commenting on the outcomes of trials. But he went even further, commenting on the finding of a jury of his peers. So the president has little or no faith in the system, there cannot not be a relationship to the people of Ferguson who also don't have any faith in the finding of a jury.

As with the outcome of the mid terms, this is an extension of the distrust of the voter, fed up with the bull**** instead of real solutions, a mob expressing its anger at everything, the killing of a black kid by a white cop being to the Watts riots what was Rodney King, a flash point igniting decades of dry tinder.

In my world, the "only to blacks" thing alone would have disqualified her from office...but really, she is doing what works. The divide has been there and getting wider, she is simply one more trying to exploit it. Me? I would camp out in front of here office demanding to know why white people are so undervalued to her and what that means in terms of representing me with two colored kids...bitch.



She lost. That flier was the turning point when it became known. She went from a 2 point lead in the polls two weeks before the election to lose by 8 points on election day. I suppose she thought she could keep the flier secret or something. People are not stupid.

I agree, the mid terms were a search by the voters to find someone with solutions. The search for economic solutions that has been put on hold by the Democrats.

As long as both political parties continue their divide and conquer methods, the more the people will distrust their government. According to Gallup, only 19% of Americans trust their own government. How long can a government, country last when only 19% of it people trust it?

Ferguson is part of that distrust.
 
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It didn't get anywhere NEAR the national publicity that Ferguson got. Now, a big part of that is because Ferguson was percolating for a long time, whereas Keene was pretty spontaneous.

You're the only person I saw mention Keene. Vancouver also comes to mind, after the Canucks lost the Cup finals a few years ago.

I also mentioned the Stanley Cup riots, I think in that same post? And for exactly the same reason - to show that rioting isn't the exclusive domain of blacks, Ferguson and a few other places notwithstanding.

I don't think Keene got much publicity because it was a bunch of obnoxious college kids drinking and looking for trouble. It didn't really have the "broad appeal" of a story, if you will. College kids being assholes. Just like Vancouver....Canucks being assholes. :mrgreen:

I doubt anyone who read my post even knew what I was talking about when I mentioned Keene. I'm glad that you know about it. It was a pretty ugly incident.
 
I haven't disagreed with that. In fact the video is in agreement with that. The article I posted earlier that you had a problem with pointing out that most of those who were arrested in Ferguson the first time it went up in flames, overwhelming majority did not call Ferguson their home!!!!!!! And last night was no different.

Ferguson: Burned buildings, 61 arrests, 'crime scene' on looted street - LA Times
And yes that is significant whether you agree or not. These folks that did most of the damage don't call Ferguson home.

Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:

That makes it even more disgusting than it already is, IMO! Such contempt and disregard for folks you don't even know has become a pastime for way too many troublemakers these days..... Arrogant Jerks! :thumbdown:
 
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What those little ****ers did wasn't harmless by any means. I saw the damage a few days later and it was a mess. But it doesn't come close to what is going on in Ferguson from what I see on the news reports. They turned over a couple of cars, pulled down some street signs, made some bonfires that got out of hand, and tossed a lot of beer cans and bottles.

But in all honesty, I never feared for my safety or that of my family because of what went on in Keene. I have a ton of friends there, and they were never afraid either. I wouldn't want to be within 100 miles of Ferguson, today or anytime in the next few months.
 
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It only has to do with the case that cops like Wilson make it harder on the good cops out there who honestly and selflessly do a public service. That is the only context that I have brought this up.

I am bringing this up because you seem to think that Wilson was a "bad cop".... You have provided nothing to that assertion by you. So, in the "context" you are moving forward is unfounded, and complete and utter Bull.
 
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. However, the outrage here from many people appears to be quite selective.

Perhaps if President Obama had gotten on national TV and claimed that a defiled pumpkin could have been his Jack-O-Lantern, it would have been a bigger story.
 
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What those little ****ers did wasn't harmless by any means. I saw the damage a few days later and it was a mess. But it doesn't come close to what is going on in Ferguson from what I see on the news reports. They turned over a couple of cars, pulled down some street signs, made some bonfires that got out of hand, and tossed a lot of beer cans and bottles.

But in all honesty, I never feared for my safety or that of my family because of what went on in Keene. I have a ton of friends there, and they were never afraid either. I wouldn't want to be within 100 miles of Ferguson, today or anytime in the next few months.

I'm certainly not attempting to compare the scale of the two incidents. However, with Ferguson (discussions here and elsewhere), I've seen people advocate shooting looters, people calling the rioters savages, etc. With Keene ... crickets. And part of me can't help but wonder if some of the reason for that is because the Keene perps were largely white.
 
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That doesn't excuse you from rational discourse.

Then what do they want? The sane protesters that is.
 
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Then what do they want? The sane protesters that is.

To get to the mountain top. Their impetus for the protest might not be legit according to the current case, but there is an underlying motive founded in opposition to systemic privilege.
 
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I'm certainly not attempting to compare the scale of the two incidents. However, with Ferguson (discussions here and elsewhere), I've seen people advocate shooting looters, people calling the rioters savages, etc. With Keene ... crickets. And part of me can't help but wonder if some of the reason for that is because the Keene perps were largely white.

Most of me thinks the reason is that they didn't even know about Keene.

And there was no looting in Keene. No stores were damaged, nobody was taking anything out on innocent business owners in the name of "justice".

I don't agree with calls to shoot anyone either. But I do think the looters in Ferguson can be accurately described as savages. The idiots who acted up in Keene were also savages.
 
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No, I did not. What is your point?

If there's no thread to bitch about it, then you can't bitch that no one bitched about it.
 
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I'm certainly not attempting to compare the scale of the two incidents. However, with Ferguson (discussions here and elsewhere), I've seen people advocate shooting looters, people calling the rioters savages, etc. With Keene ... crickets. And part of me can't help but wonder if some of the reason for that is because the Keene perps were largely white.

Its the Johnny Manziel syndrome........the liberal press gets tired of constantly having to report the criminal behavior of black athletes like Ray Rice (domestic violence); Ray Lewis (involvement in a double murder), Michael Irving (cocaine; domestic violence), etc. So any time they can find a White player that parties and doesn't do the 'Aw sucks, anything I can do for the team' routine they jump all over it. Manziel got front court tickets to an NBA game (he's from a well to do family), went to a frat party at rival Texas and apparently was the first NFL player to go to Las Vegas. You would think he was a double murderer by all the negative press he gets. Comparing Keene to Ferguson is just as ridiculous.
 
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Its the Johnny Manziel syndrome........the liberal press gets tired of constantly having to report the criminal behavior of black athletes like Ray Rice (domestic violence); Ray Lewis (involvement in a double murder), Michael Irving (cocaine; domestic violence), etc. So any time they can find a White player that parties and doesn't do the 'Aw sucks, anything I can do for the team' routine they jump all over it. Manziel got front court tickets to an NBA game (he's from a well to do family), went to a frat party at rival Texas and apparently was the first NFL player to go to Las Vegas. You would think he was a double murderer by all the negative press he gets. Comparing Keene to Ferguson is just as ridiculous.

Well, this is basically nonsense.
 
The bias of the prosecutor?

The GJ heard and saw all the evidence, including the major disparity in some of the "eyewitness" accounts. This was all presented.

The GJ did not find that Wilson committed a crime and that's why they didn't indict him. It's what they're sworn to do. Decide if a crime was committed...

Just for clarity and precision, the GJ did NOT find that Wilson did not commit a crime. We do not know, nor will we likely ever know.

The question before the GJ was whether there was sufficient evidence of probable cause for an indictment and trial. Wilson's innocence, regardless of the GJ determination, would have been presumed. The GJ was only there to decide whether there should be a trial. They decided that the evidence (as presented... with due consideration that how it was presented is an issue) was insufficient to proceed.

Again, Wilson's innocence is presumed; but his actual innocence remains unknown.
 
Just for clarity and precision, the GJ did NOT find that Wilson did not commit a crime. The question before the GJ was whether there was sufficient evidence of probable cause for an indictment and trial. Wilson's innocence, regardless of the GJ determination, would have been presumed. The GJ was only there to decide whether there should be a trial. They decided that the evidence (as presented... with due consideration that how it was presented is an issue) was insufficient to proceed.

Again, Wilson's innocence is presumed; but his actual innocence remains unknown.

Yes, I know that and thank you for reminding me of that. I was frustrated when I typed that post. I' ve posted a lot of posts about this issue today and as you'll see, the rest of them didn't make that mistake.
 
Just for clarity and precision, the GJ did NOT find that Wilson did not commit a crime. We do not know, nor will we likely ever know.

The question before the GJ was whether there was sufficient evidence of probable cause for an indictment and trial. Wilson's innocence, regardless of the GJ determination, would have been presumed. The GJ was only there to decide whether there should be a trial. They decided that the evidence (as presented... with due consideration that how it was presented is an issue) was insufficient to proceed.

Again, Wilson's innocence is presumed; but his actual innocence remains unknown.



Huh ?

I would say based on Witnesses accounts AND physical evidence that his " actual " innocence IS known.
 
I'm just curious, can any of the folks who think the officer's shooting was unjustified enlighten me as to why Michael Brown's DNA and blood were found inside Officer Wilson's patrol car. Have any of you ever left blood and DNA inside a patrol car? I haven't, and I can say that nobody I know has left such samples in a police car. Was Officer Wilson attempting to pull a 6'6, 300lb person into his car? Its really laughable. If you reversed the races we wouldn't know either's name and the case would not have even gone to a GJ. And certainly no White folks would be rioting in the streets and making fools of themselves.
 
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