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Excon said:
Your argument would hold true for anybody living on one side of Ferguson and traveling to the other side just to participate in the demonstrations/violence. The McD's on his side of town is still good just as the Pharmacy is etc...

So no. As already pointed local is still local and while specifically not Ferguson, their concerns are basically the same.
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But Excon there have been outside groups known as professional agitators moving into Ferguson for weeks into the St. Louis area and law enforcement knows who they are. There have been folks covering this in the news for weeks.

But nothing incited the crowds more than Michael Brown's mother and his stepfather last night and it got caught on tape. The woman in the white beanie and sunglasses is Brown's mother. The one in the green and white beanie and green and white shirt with the silk screen print of M Brown is his stepfather. His last name is Head. He has a rap sheet of multiple felons. Watch the video of him standing on the platform inciting the crowd to "Burn this Bitch Down". And so they did



That's probably not a video Al Sharpton would share with his audience on MSNBC.

How ironic.
 
disneydude said:
Nope. I have no problem with a cop using deadly force where it is warranted. Here it clearly was not. Like I said....hopefully one day the good cops out there (and I will say that they vastly outnumber the bad) will get wise to the fact that the code of silence makes it much more difficult to do their job. They should actively help weed out the bad apples, but all too often their sense of brotherhood does not allow them to do this. Hopefully that will change one day.
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Define "using deadly force where it is warranted."
 
Further, what I find disgusting is the Press further adding fuel to the fire by saying repeatedly how easy it is to get an indictment.

Guess what?

IT SHOULDN'T BE.

WTF are you idiots doing?
 
disneydude said:
What do you think probable cause is? Proof beyond a reasonable doubt? That is a trial standard of proof.
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Maybe if all those black witnesses that jumped on TV didn't turn out to be liars, you might of gotten an indictment. After they were all exposed, it was very hard to believe any of them about, well anything. Hell, even the hands up story is completely bogus when faced with the facts of the case.
 
j-mac said:
Define "using deadly force where it is warranted."
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An officer is allowed to use deadly force if they believe that the use of force is necessary to protect themselves or others.
 
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ChezC3 said:
You wanna incite violence? May it come upon your house ten-fold.
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Interestingly, that's essentially what he said. Apparently you agree with him.
 
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rocket88 said:
Interestingly, that's essentially what he said. Apparently you agree with him.
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First, what they hell are you saying?

Second, could you fit another adverb in there? Jesus H...
 
tres borrachos said:
My point is that Disneydude is full of ****. And I made it with a fact.
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He said a black guy would easily get indicted. You posted a story that backs it up.

Since I assume you don't agree, the only difference between what he said and what you said us timeframe.
 
disneydude said:
An officer is allowed to use deadly force if they believe that the use of force is necessary to protect themselves or others.
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You just destroyed your argument that Wilson did anything wrong.
 
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ChezC3 said:
First, what they hell are you saying?

Second, could you fit another adverb in there? Jesus H...
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In other words, he's making the argument that you agree with the concept of fighting fire with fire, which was what the stepfather thought when he was screaming last night.
 
rocket88 said:
He said a black guy would easily get indicted. You posted a story that backs it up.

Since I assume you don't agree, the only difference between what he said and what you said us timeframe.
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No, he claimed that a black guy would QUICKLY be indicted. The timeframe is thus important to the debunk.
 
rocket88 said:
He said a black guy would easily get indicted. You posted a story that backs it up.

Since I assume you don't agree, the only difference between what he said and what you said us timeframe.
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No, Disney said that a black person would be, "indicted in 5 minutes", meaning that a black person would get indicted a hell-of-a-lot faster than a white person. Tres proved him wrong.
 
j-mac said:
Glad to see you agree with GJ.
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Obviously I don't agree with the GJ at all, surprised you didn't realize that. This is ALWAYS the claim by the cop when they are charged in this type of offense.
 
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Fiddytree said:
In other words, he's making the argument that you agree with the concept of fighting fire with fire, which was what the stepfather thought when he was screaming last night.
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No, the Stepfather, and the Mother were inciting a riot, something they should be arrested for. They didn't get their way and put an innocent cop doing his job on trial for doing his job, and lynch him...They are no better than the KKK of old.
 
disneydude said:
Obviously I don't agree with the GJ at all, surprised you didn't realize that. This is ALWAYS the claim by the cop when they are charged in this type of offense.
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The facts of the case back him up, and GJ agreed so you are wrong.
 
disneydude said:
Obviously I don't agree with the GJ at all, surprised you didn't realize that. This is ALWAYS the claim by the cop when they are charged in this type of offense.
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Yeah, right, like you can know that. And the evidence that's precisely what happened seems to elude you. But hey, you're a lawyer. :lamo
 
j-mac said:
The facts of the case back him up, and GJ agreed so you are wrong.
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No. It goes back to my original point. Grand Jurors will do everything and anything not to indict a cop. Trial juries do the same thing. Pretty much all the cop has to do is claim they believed their life was in danger and they can get away with murder. I see it almost every day, to a lesser degree, in PC 148 cases where it is clear that the police report is fabricated.
 
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Fiddytree said:
In other words, he's making the argument that you agree with the concept of fighting fire with fire, which was what the stepfather thought when he was screaming last night.
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Well, for one, I don't see how rioting and burning down towns equates with the death (regardless of justification) of one man.

Second, I was advocating we throw a bucket of water on the would be firestarter, not whip out our own Zippos.
 
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j-mac said:
No, the Stepfather, and the Mother were inciting a riot, something they should be arrested for. They didn't get their way and put an innocent cop doing his job on trial for doing his job, and lynch him...They are no better than the KKK of old.
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I'm interpreting Rocket's post for him.

The mother, from the clip, did not seem to incite a riot. She became overwhelmed with grief and became silent after her complaints that they were wrong. The stepfather, on the other hand, absolutely did.
 
rocket88 said:
He said a black guy would easily get indicted. You posted a story that backs it up.

Since I assume you don't agree, the only difference between what he said and what you said us timeframe.
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Actually, that isn't what he said. He said that if Brown had killed Wilson, he would have been indicted in 5 minutes. There was no mention in his post of race.

The man in the example I gave was indicted in more than 4 months because the physical evidence and eyewitness testimony proved there was sufficient reason to indict him. There was never a question that Michael Addison shot officer Michael Brown. He had no just cause to shoot him. And he wasn't "easily indicted". He was indicted because the evidence warranted it.

The evidence presented to the GJ in the case of Darren Wilson was the opposite, which is why he wasn't indicted. Contrary to what attorney Disney called him, the law doesn't see him as a "murderer".
 
ChezC3 said:
Well, for one, I don't see how rioting and burning down towns equates with the death (regardless of justification) of one man.

Second, I was advocating we throw a bucket of water on the would be firestarter, not whip out our own Zippos.
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Well, rhetorically it would be the violence that was experienced (or perpetrated by) Michael Brown (or if you were of the persuasion, young African American males in general) and you would respond with violence in kind (destroying the structures of society).

As I've said from the start of this thread (and the weeks before), I am in no way on the side of the mob and I think many people are being far too kind to these people.
 
clownboy said:
No, he claimed that a black guy would QUICKLY be indicted. The timeframe is thus important to the debunk.
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Correct, as it was also important to debunk the circumstances.

They had the evidence to indict Michael Addison of a crime. They didn't have the evidence to indict Darren Wilson of a crime.

Some people see what they want to see.
 
disneydude said:
Obviously I don't agree with the GJ at all, surprised you didn't realize that. This is ALWAYS the claim by the cop when they are charged in this type of offense.
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So Michael Brown's actions prior to his death are justified by your generic and unsubstantiated claims of GJ favouritism towards Police Officers ?
 
disneydude said:
No. It goes back to my original point. Grand Jurors will do everything and anything not to indict a cop. Trial juries do the same thing. Pretty much all the cop has to do is claim they believed their life was in danger and they can get away with murder. I see it almost every day, to a lesser degree, in PC 148 cases where it is clear that the police report is fabricated.
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Do you have any evidence that any wrong doing like that was introduced here?
 
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