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Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

I don't know in what better way you could demonstrate that the system used for civilians and that used for police officers is not the same. ;)

The GJ is applicable for both.

So what?
 
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Too bad police helicopters aren't able to be used.
But that's what happens when an idiotic prosecutor decides to announce this GJ decision late at night.
With no slight on the way he has handled this all along.

Giving riotous thugs an opportunity to loot and destroy under the cover of darkness is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen .

Yes. I agree with that.
 
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Ah, okay, show us pictures of orbital fractures caused by violence to prove your point, thanks.

Oh heavens no, then I'd be accused of saying that's Wilson's X-Ray, even if it's clearly labeled as an example. History here proves that. :lamo
 
Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60]

Too bad police helicopters aren't able to be used.
But that's what happens when an idiotic prosecutor decides to announce this GJ decision late at night.
With no slight on the way he has handled this all along.

Giving riotous thugs an opportunity to loot and destroy under the cover of darkness is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen .

On the flip side, doing it this late does mean people are more tired, and thus fewer will participate.
 
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What in the hell are you event reading?

Where did I say the media is innocent?

I FLAT OUT STATED that the media deserves criticism and is guilty of enflaming things. I'm simply saying the don't deserve singular criticism. And their wrong doing doesn't excuse other peoples wrong doing like you're suggesting.

When you can't even deal with the actual things I'm stating there's no real reason to try and have a conversation, as you're just having one with the made up stereotype in your head rather than what I actually say.

It seemed like you were saying that the media's responsibility does not in any way mitigate the civilians' responsibility. And I'm pretty sure we strongly disagree on that fact. Yes we have some knuckleheads out there tonight, yes it is a serious problem that as we speak, multiple stores and restaurants are on fire. But I swear it seems like the media honest-to-god wanted this. Why? Moar ratingz!
 
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Oh heavens no, then I'd be accused of saying that's Wilson's X-Ray, even if it's clearly labeled as an example. History here proves that. :lamo

Or you'd probably figure out a way to prove yourself wrong like you normally do. :)
 
Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60]

What if the "law and order" is oppressive and brutalizes the people? I don't think turning to violence is the best option, but I wouldn't suggest people submit to law to keep social order either.

Force has to be met with force. If the rioters feel like they're getting a raw deal, then all I can say is, tough ****.
 
You realize that some of those jurors were black right? Besides, were you a part of the grand jury? If not, how do you know that he "got away with murder". I'll take a wild guess and say you've just been assuming like every other black on TV it seems.

You only need to watch the video to know that there was no justification here. The thug got away with it because time after time, regardless of race, jurors let them walk. Its not the first time...and sadly it won't be the last until America stands up to these thugs that think they can do whatever they want because of the uniform.
 
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I'm sorry, when I see bumper stickers like "MORE GOVERNMENT EQUALS LESS FREEDOM--PERIOD," the only logical conclusion to that is that anarchy is best. As we can see in your comment, so many libertarians want "limited government," except when they don't.

Well then you're one that can see a world in gradients. I'm not going into this debate because Z will get annoyed, but suffice to say, Libertarians are more complex than the black and white you try to convey.
 
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I've seen two of the largest riots in America, the Watts Riot in 1965 and the riots in L.A. in 1992. Why do they always burn down their own neighborhoods and then complain why nobody wants to open a business in their neighborhoods after the looting and arson ?

That's a very good point. But what we are seeing unfolding across this country in major cities is unreal. In fact most of the folks in Ferguson that caused the real violence from the beginning were not the residents. They were outsiders as in community organizers of groups with a political agenda.
 
Grand juries don't decide guilt, or innocence.

Ah, you are right. I'll correct my statement to reflect that: You ever heard of a grand jury taking 100+ days to decide whether a black man should be charged?
 
Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60]

It seemed like you were saying that the media's responsibility does not in any way mitigate the civilians' responsibility. And I'm pretty sure we strongly disagree on that fact. Yes we have some knuckleheads out there tonight, yes it is a serious problem that as we speak, multiple stores and restaurants are on fire. But I swear it seems like the media honest-to-god wanted this. Why? Moar ratingz!

No he did not - that is a lie.
 
You only need to watch the video to know that there was no justification here. The thug got away with it because time after time, regardless of race, jurors let them walk. Its not the first time...and sadly it won't be the last until America stands up to these thugs that think they can do whatever they want because of the uniform.

Right, and Michael was shot in the back right?
 
Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60]

Or you'd probably figure out a way to prove yourself wrong like you normally do. :)


Moderator's Warning:
We've been doing a VERY good job in this thread with people largely refraining from baiting and trolling. Understand this is your only warning I'm giving on this. These kind of baiting posts will get you thread banned and infracted
 
Ah, you are right. I'll correct my statement to reflect that: You ever heard of a grand jury taking 100+ days to decide whether a black man should be charged?

So what?
 
Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60]

Too bad police helicopters aren't able to be used.
But that's what happens when an idiotic prosecutor decides to announce this GJ decision late at night.
With no slight on the way he has handled this all along.

Giving riotous thugs an opportunity to loot and destroy under the cover of darkness is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen .

Why can't police helicopters able to be used? Helicopters can fly at night, ya know?
 
Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60]

That's a very good point. But what we are seeing unfolding across this country in major cities is unreal. In fact most of the folks in Ferguson that caused the real violence from the beginning were not the residents. They were outsiders as in community organizers of groups with a political agenda.

It's Obama's America.

Change and hope you can believe in.
 
Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60]

Well then you're one that can see a world in gradients. I'm not going into this debate because Z will get annoyed, but suffice to say, Libertarians are more complex than the black and white you try to convey.

That I can accept. It would help even more if you could show me where all the libertarians are disgusted specifically by what the system is doing in this specific case. Not just the looters.
 
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Most of the people looting etc are not even from Fergison. They are opportunistic thugs. They are not attacking anything... They are doing their black Friday shopping at 100% off.
Yes most the folks in Ferguson aren't involved in this fiasco. But who organized the groups that are there? And who organized the groups taking to the streets in major cities in this country over the verdict.?
 

From the people who brought us: "What difference does it make?"

The system doesn't work equally for citizens and the police. That's what. Thanks for explaining to us that the system is thorough when it comes to cops and quick when it comes to civilians.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Phys, you should take Hamster's advice because he's spot on in terms of "Z" getting "annoyed".

If you two want to debate libertarian philosophy and how it applies to looting/mobs, take it to another thread. Trying to keep this narrowly on topic as best as possible
 
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Can you see rioters at night better than during the day--yes or no ?

Why can't police helicopters able to be used? Helicopters can fly at night, ya know?
 
Ah, you are right. I'll correct my statement to reflect that: You ever heard of a grand jury taking 100+ days to decide whether a black man should be charged?

Grand juries are picked for 6-12 months and meet for 2-4 days a month. A 90 day grand jury sounds like a fast track.
 
Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60]

Too bad police helicopters aren't able to be used.
But that's what happens when an idiotic prosecutor decides to announce this GJ decision late at night.
With no slight on the way he has handled this all along.

Giving riotous thugs an opportunity to loot and destroy under the cover of darkness is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen .

They have these new inventions called heat and night vision. One of the first deployments of the tech was to helicopters.
 
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