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I obviously know people better than you.

If you say so.

We must have been watching different people destroying Ferguson.
 
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You're an ass.

So far as I know not a single reasonable person is claiming that all the people burning and destroying Ferguson came from outside it.
What I think many people ARE saying is that MOST of those doing so came from outside it.


And THAT indicates something is ****ed up.

Also, seriously? A bigoted comment about how all black people do this? Really?

Could you provide a link proving that most of those rioting were from somewhere other than Ferguson? Looking forward to your reply.
 
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Could you provide a link proving that most of those rioting were from somewhere other than Ferguson? Looking forward to your reply.
I probably could find something, if I bothered to look for it.

But as it's thanksgiving eve I was planning to relax for a bit.

As I noted, however, I heard this all 3rd or 4th hand, so I have no idea how valid it is.
 
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Yes. You're an obvious racist and proud of it. None of what you said was based on fact... just racist propaganda based on your bigoted emotions. That elaborate enough for ya?

No. But I knew you couldn't elaborate on the issue. But thanks for playing.
 
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I probably could find something, if I bothered to look for it.

But as it's thanksgiving eve I was planning to relax for a bit.

As I noted, however, I heard this all 3rd or 4th hand, so I have no idea how valid it is.

Happy Thanksgiving.
 
He is not guilty of the murder of Nicole Brown.... He went to jail on a completely other matter.

Detail, details. Well, at least we got him on something. You know that judge threw the book at him because he got away with murder in his first go around. Hey, they got Al Capone for tax evasion, couldn't get him for murder, just like O.J.
 
Detail, details. Well, at least we got him on something. You know that judge threw the book at him because he got away with murder in his first go around. Hey, they got Al Capone for tax evasion, couldn't get him for murder, just like O.J.

You are going off on a tangent.... Al Capone on tax evasion is much, much different than OJ being convicted of a completely different crime that occurred at a completely different time. The main point here is that our criminal justice system does not opine on innocence; it presumes innocence. The criminal justice system simply demands proof of guilt. If guilt in not proven, it does not mean the defendant is actually innocent, only presumed innocent.

So, back to my point: Officer Wilson is innocent of causing a wrongful death (be it murder, manslaughter or some other type of culpability) in the same way as OJ is innocent of murder.
 
He is not guilty of the murder of Nicole Brown.... He went to jail on a completely other matter.

I never said anything about the Nicole Brown/Ron Goldman murders. In fact, I never said anything about OJ Simpson, so I don't know why you would even mention OJ Simpson, when responding to one of my posts. I don't know why you would bring it up, at all!
 
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Likewise... with everyone of your posts in everyone one of the threads you post in.

Which is why you always resort to insults; because you've bested me with your vast knowledge. :lamo
 
You are going off on a tangent.... Al Capone on tax evasion is much, much different than OJ being convicted of a completely different crime that occurred at a completely different time. The main point here is that our criminal justice system does not opine on innocence; it presumes innocence. The criminal justice system simply demands proof of guilt. If guilt in not proven, it does not mean the defendant is actually innocent, only presumed innocent.

So, back to my point: Officer Wilson is innocent of causing a wrongful death (be it murder, manslaughter or some other type of culpability) in the same way as OJ is innocent of murder.

Yes, this discussion has been moving fast, so you miss a few days and you miss hundreds of posts. O.J. and Capone have in common that they are/were both murderers, but went to jail for things they did against the law other than murder. In the end, a murderer went to jail in both cases.

The O.J. case has almost nothing in common with that of a police officer defending his own life. Had Ron or Nicole killed O.J., he would have been, and is, much more like Michael Brown than Officer Wilson.
 
The GJ decided that there wasn't probable cause, so unless you want to deploy the thought police, the GJ has established that Wilson didn't commit a crime.

Not my words, but I thought they were appropriate here:

It’s funny how this works. The minute it hits the news that a white cop shot an unarmed black man, all kinds of people instantly know the truth about what happened: a racist Nazi cop shot an innocent, angelic, model citizen. Then when the facts come out and don’t support that “truth”, then out comes the “we may never know what really happened.” I’m guessing that if the grand jury had gone the other way and determined the shooting was criminal, I’m sure nobody would be saying “we may never know what happened.” They’d grab that verdict and run with it. This whole “we may never know” crap is just another way to say “I don’t believe the grand jury, I don’t believe the facts, I believe it happened the way I believe it happened.”
 
You are reading an awful lot into my post. I never said I was for or against the outcome. I am merely dealing with esoteric -- their mission was to determine if they had sufficient evidence to pursue charges; they did not. The only real conclusion is that... people want to extend that conclusion to other things (which you seem to like to do, as you are concluding how I feel about this when I made no such declaration).

:roll: oh puhleeze...Just one time I wish liberals would not try and dodge their own words when debating....If you don't want to be called out on stupid statements, then don't make them....Happy Thanksgiving. :)
 
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Most everyone competes with AA on some level. Diversity is a crock since we sent a man to the moon with an all-White command center and crew of astronauts. Watch the movie Apollo13 sometime to get a glimpse of the great country we once were. Simply put blacks have more opportunity in this country than anywhere in the world and simply can't compete on a large scale basis without AA which, by definition, takes an opportunity away from a better qualified White. The Chinese and Japanese laugh at us because of AA.

Wow... racism rears its ugly head.
 
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Is anything I said not true. If so please elaborate. Thanks and have a nice day.

You problem is not seeing the obvious aspects of what has happened... you problem is not understanding why.
 
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Wow... racism rears its ugly head.

I think you meant to say 'realism' rears its ugly head.........right? The 'racist' would be the person who advocates on behalf of 'affirmative action' which is, by definition, 'racism'.
 
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You problem is not seeing the obvious aspects of what has happened... you problem is not understanding why.

You (sic) problem is not being able to elaborate on 'what has happened' and 'why'......just sayin'
 
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I think you meant to say 'realism' rears its ugly head.........right? The 'racist' would be the person who advocates on behalf of 'affirmative action' which is, by definition, 'racism'.

I don't advocate for AA. AA is bull****. What you said is clearly racist though... all white NASA and all that crap. How does this look?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zdhnAKJGY...R.+ROBERT+L.+SATCHER+JR.,+NASA+Astronaut-.png

You (sic) problem is not being able to elaborate on 'what has happened' and 'why'......just sayin'

What good would talking about slavery, separate but equal or racism do when talking to a racist? Serious question...
 
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I don't advocate for AA. AA is bull****. What you said is clearly racist though... all white NASA and all that crap. How does this look?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zdhnAKJGY...R.+ROBERT+L.+SATCHER+JR.,+NASA+Astronaut-.png





What good would talking about slavery, separate but equal or racism do when talking to a racist? Serious question...

Nice photo of an AA astronaut.....thanks for sharing. I wonder how the White guy who had better skills and didn't get to be an astronaut feels. The only slavery that I know about exists in Africa. If 'racism' is so predominant in the U.S. why would 95% of sub-Saharan Africa move here tomorrow if they could. Separate but equal actually worked better for the black community.......we all didn't have to pretend that we were the same.
 
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of course we should. Those people are wrong. But to be an idiot and think that announcing that obviously predictable news right before the masking of the night... that was stupid. Turkey day would have quelled turnout quite a bit and the daylight would have quelled even more.

Maybe, but I seriously doubt it. It didn't stop the riots after the Rodney King verdict. I remember watching live on TV some guys puling a ruck driver out of the cab of his truck, beating him and one even threw a brick which hit the driver on his head - in full daylight and as I said, live on TV.
 
But, Holy *****, I find this particularly curious that you are suddenly touting the verdict of the court as gospel given that you have repeatedly argued that Michael Dunn is innocent, even though a court of law, having considered all of the evidence, found him guilty. Somehow I see some selective logic being applied by you in this.
Lets address your off-topic bs first.

You see what you want, which is formed by your own biased and convoluted thoughts.
There is no comparison here between the Grand Jury decision and Dunn or in the arguments I have made.
Dunn's trial holds no significance in relation to any Grand Jury Decision.
Had Dunn actions been brought before a Grand Jury they would have returned a true bill. There is no doubt about that. But that doesn't mean he committed a crime, especially as the evidence threshold to return a true bill is very low.
As to his trial, no one denies what the Jury found. But the argument is that the evidence does not fit what the Jury found.
As we all know Trial Juries get things wrong all the time, not everything got presented to the Jury in Dunn's case, nor is every lawyer able to argue the evidence the same. Which is exemplified by the first Jury being hung because folks believed his account.


For "all intent and purposes" is not the same as what the actual determination is. Though you chose to make this determination, as many others have, it is not technically correct.

The GJ job was only to determine if there was sufficient evidence presented to determine if there was probable cause that a crime was committed. Their job does not extend to determining actual innocence.
Everybody who has been discussing this knows what a grand Jury's job was and what they are there to determine. A simple perusal of the thread would have informed you of that.
So you are not telling anybody anything they do not know. And even though you appear to know, it doesn't seem to dawn on you what their decision means.


This is quite simple.
This is an incident where the GJ was used to determine if evidence was sufficient to even suggest that a crime was committed.
The threshold to find that a crime may have been committed is very low, so low in fact that it is said a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich.

In this specific case all the evidence was presented to the Grand Jury and they were allowed to ask questions of the witnesses. Which allowed for more information to be reviewed and scrutinized than in a trial setting.
The fact that all the evidence was presented and that the members were allowed to ask questions makes your point about a single party irrelevant.

They didn't find such in this case. That means the evidence (all of it, in toto) doesn't "exist" to even suggest a crime may have happened.
So yeah. That does "technically" mean for all intent and purposes that no crime was committed as the evidence in toto says one was not committed to be able to charge the person in the first place. Which is exactly what you are not getting.
Read their questioning of the witnesses. They weren't dumb. Nor did they need any other party to spin the information to a certain narrative.


Now if you want to say they got it wrong and argue the evidence and not their finding, then have at it. That is something entirely different.
That is permissible as Jury Members are not infallible.
 
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Which is why you always resort to insults; because you've bested me with your vast knowledge. :lamo

Oh the insane hypocrisy of this post.
 
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Maybe, but I seriously doubt it. It didn't stop the riots after the Rodney King verdict. I remember watching live on TV some guys puling a ruck driver out of the cab of his truck, beating him and one even threw a brick which hit the driver on his head - in full daylight and as I said, live on TV.

Yeah... but considering the population of LA vs the population of Ferguson... that kind of made the violence more sustainable. Protection in numbers.
 
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Nice photo of an AA astronaut.....thanks for sharing. I wonder how the White guy who had better skills and didn't get to be an astronaut feels. The only slavery that I know about exists in Africa. If 'racism' is so predominant in the U.S. why would 95% of sub-Saharan Africa move here tomorrow if they could. Separate but equal actually worked better for the black community.......we all didn't have to pretend that we were the same.

Racism is alive and well ... a shame.
 
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