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30,000 missing emails from IRS' Lerner recovered

Does it really matter to you? Are there any number of emails they could recover that would change your opinion on what happened?
 
30,000 missing emails from IRS' Lerner recovered

The missing emails extend from 2009 to 2011, a period when Lerner headed the IRS’s exempt-organizations division

30,000 missing emails from IRS' Lerner recovered | WashingtonExaminer.com


So how do they establish that data was not removed?

First assume they are cheating. Second evaluate others in similar positions for the quantity and distribution of emails. Then perform statistical analysis on her emails. Gaps may present themselves.
 
Does it really matter to you? Are there any number of emails they could recover that would change your opinion on what happened?
:doh

Pray tell, what opinion is it that I have?
 
:doh

Pray tell, what opinion is it that I have?

You haven't told us so I don't know.

You didn't answer the question.
 
You haven't told us so I don't know.

You didn't answer the question.
Your question was either rhetorical, or it presumed I had a specific opinion.
 
Your question was either rhetorical, or it presumed I had a specific opinion.

Why do you need a specific opinion? Numerous opinions will remain unaffected by this information. Surely you agree.
 
Does it really matter to you? Are there any number of emails they could recover that would change your opinion on what happened?
Do you ever ask yourself the same question? Or are you just completely uncurious about the whole issue? The woman took the fifth for a reason. Maybe now that her 'missing' emails have been recovered, we might actually find out why
 
Why do you need a specific opinion? Numerous opinions will remain unaffected by this information. Surely you agree.
:doh
Games people play ...
My opinion is that they found some emails that were missing.
I has no idea to their significance yet. :doh

So why don't you now tell us how your absurd question as to "any number" matters one bit?
 
Do you ever ask yourself the same question? Or are you just completely uncurious about the whole issue? The woman took the fifth for a reason. Maybe now that her 'missing' emails have been recovered, we might actually find out why

Sure. Something truly damning would change my opinion. Because evidence sways my opinion.

But does a lack of evidence sway yours?
 
:doh
Games people play ...
My opinion is that they found some emails that were missing.
I has no idea to their significance yet. :doh

So why don't you now tell us how your absurd question as to "any number" matters one bit?

I think there are plenty of liberals out there who will side with the Obama administration no matter what these emails show. Don't you agree?
 
I think there are plenty of liberals out there who will side with the Obama administration no matter what these emails show. Don't you agree?
Don't know. What I want to know is why the agency who actually requested the information (the DOJ) was investigating the issue.
 
Sure. Something truly damning would change my opinion. Because evidence sways my opinion.

But does a lack of evidence sway yours?
No. I think something happened here and Lerner is at the center of it. There is no other rational explanation for her taking the fifth. And computers crashing and email vanishing certainly looks fishy
 
I wonder how they were recovered? Didn't they swear up and down that all data was deleted/not accessible?
 
Does it really matter to you? Are there any number of emails they could recover that would change your opinion on what happened?

Well, we certainly can't depend on the administration's honesty, til now, to sway anyone's opinion.
 
30,000 missing emails from IRS' Lerner recovered

The missing emails extend from 2009 to 2011, a period when Lerner headed the IRS’s exempt-organizations division

30,000 missing emails from IRS' Lerner recovered | WashingtonExaminer.com



So how do they establish that data was not removed?
I don't know which DR system they used but most involve sending tapes off to iron Mountain or another off site storage center.
The files themselves were likely stored as metadata, with CRC time stamps, it would take many months to try and remove some bit of text,
and not violate the CRC bit counting algorithm.
 
I don't know which DR system they used but most involve sending tapes off to iron Mountain or another off site storage center.
The files themselves were likely stored as metadata, with CRC time stamps, it would take many months to try and remove some bit of text,
and not violate the CRC bit counting algorithm.

They have had many many months to doctor these files
 
First, let me say that this makes me happy. I gotta be honest, I was fairly certain this would all be swept under the rug as per business as usual.

Second, I agree, assume that any info being provided to the DOJ is going have missing parts. I mean, for starters, anyone who is not a complete blithering idiot knows about a variety of file retrieval methods from crashed HDs. Hell, I'm not even a remotely competent IT guy, and yet, I did the very same thing on my mac two or three years back to retrieve all of my digital photographs and music. I lost a grand total of.....NOTHING. Absolutely freaking nothing. In FACT, even the worms that had infected some of the files where still there, lol, according to my wife's scanner.

So what I want to know is, how hard of a time did the DOJ have of retrieving those emails? Like, how difficult was it? And if it was (likely) not difficult at all, can someone please be brought up on obstruction of justice?


And last, I eagerly await what's on those files...but with some trepidation. I can't help but feel that, as per the business as usual, nothing WILL come of this, even though we know SOMETHING is fishy.

Innocent people don't plead the 5th.
 
I don't know which DR system they used but most involve sending tapes off to iron Mountain or another off site storage center.
The files themselves were likely stored as metadata, with CRC time stamps, it would take many months to try and remove some bit of text,
and not violate the CRC bit counting algorithm.

I am sure they are probably using Comvault, Netbackup, or maybe EMC Networker, and I agree with your point. If you were trying to pull backups off of tape and then delete some of it, you would have to restore it all, delete what you wanted to delete, then write it all back to tape again. Then you would still have to somehow get all the dates to match back up.

Updated: IRS e-mails not lost after all

On a side note, Tapes are a terrible DR system if you have a lot of data to store (as I am sure the IRS has). Restore times are slow and you would have to rebuild your infrastructure and restore back into to it. It's why almost every big datacenter utilizes replicated SANs and standby Virtual Machines. Given the procedure to recover Exchange Server email via tape, its not surprising it took them months to do it. That said, we utilize an email archiving system and have a standby DR VMs of all our exchange server infrastructure. I could have restored those emails in less than a day on our system (probably just a few minutes).
 
First, let me say that this makes me happy. I gotta be honest, I was fairly certain this would all be swept under the rug as per business as usual.

Second, I agree, assume that any info being provided to the DOJ is going have missing parts. I mean, for starters, anyone who is not a complete blithering idiot knows about a variety of file retrieval methods from crashed HDs. Hell, I'm not even a remotely competent IT guy, and yet, I did the very same thing on my mac two or three years back to retrieve all of my digital photographs and music. I lost a grand total of.....NOTHING. Absolutely freaking nothing. In FACT, even the worms that had infected some of the files where still there, lol, according to my wife's scanner.

So what I want to know is, how hard of a time did the DOJ have of retrieving those emails? Like, how difficult was it? And if it was (likely) not difficult at all, can someone please be brought up on obstruction of justice?

Since it came back off of tape there should not be any missing. The only missing emails would be emails that were received or sent and then deleted the same day thus never made it onto tape in the first place. Even those should be tombstoned and thus still retrievable.

That said, restoring emails from tape is a real mother****** as you have to basically rebuild an entire exchange and active directory domain infrastructure, segment it all from your current exchange and AD infrastructure, restore all the storage groups and databases, check them for integrity, and then you can pull what you want out. If you are pulling multiple tape backups then you are doing that multiple times.
 
They have had many many months to doctor these files
true, but DR systems do not store the data as direct files, but arrange the groups of files for maximum storage.
It would be very difficult to isolate a single file without the cypher used to store them, and harder still to edit it in a
way that would not show up. Impossible? of course not, but VERY difficult.
 
I am sure they are probably using Comvault, Netbackup, or maybe EMC Networker, and I agree with your point. If you were trying to pull backups off of tape and then delete some of it, you would have to restore it all, delete what you wanted to delete, then write it all back to tape again. Then you would still have to somehow get all the dates to match back up.

Updated: IRS e-mails not lost after all

On a side note, Tapes are a terrible DR system if you have a lot of data to store (as I am sure the IRS has). Restore times are slow and you would have to rebuild your infrastructure and restore back into to it. It's why almost every big datacenter utilizes replicated SANs and standby Virtual Machines. Given the procedure to recover Exchange Server email via tape, its not surprising it took them months to do it. That said, we utilize an email archiving system and have a standby DR VMs of all our exchange server infrastructure. I could have restored those emails in less than a day on our system (probably just a few minutes).
I am thinking the DR tapes were only used for off site DR storage, I.E. portable non network attached storage.
Some expert perhaps told them that the DR files would be unrecoverable if the storage system had a accident, which is sort of true, and also why most people who do
this sort of stuff have local offline backups of the storage system itself.
 
Does it really matter to you? Are there any number of emails they could recover that would change your opinion on what happened?

Nope, because Republicans have been rooting hard for Obama to commit a major scandal since the day he took office. They rejoiced when they thought they had him and tore their hair out as the manufactured outrages went nowhere.
 
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