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30,000 missing emails from IRS' Lerner recovered

longview said:
I am thinking the DR tapes were only used for off site DR storage, I.E. portable non network attached storage.
Some expert perhaps told them that the DR files would be unrecoverable if the storage system had a accident, which is sort of true, and also why most people who do
this sort of stuff have local offline backups of the storage system itself.
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Most companies either are moving away from tape or have already. We offsite our backups between our corporate office and hosting facility and its all on disk. We just replicate between backup cores and then between SANs. Of course the government is notoriously always 10 to 20 years behind the trends technology wise (and they usually are lacking in IT talent as their salaries just aren't that competitive). Disk space is so cheap anymore that it's cost effective to do so, and I trust Raid 6 much more than tapes stored in some dusty cave somewhere. Back when we used tapes, a good percentage of the time that i requested them back they were unreadable.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Most companies either are moving away from tape or have already. We offsite our backups between our corporate office and hosting facility and its all on disk. We just replicate between backup cores and then between SANs. Of course the government is notoriously always 10 to 20 years behind the trends technology wise (and they usually are lacking in IT talent as their salaries just aren't that competitive). Disk space is so cheap anymore that it's cost effective to do so, and I trust Raid 6 much more than tapes stored in some dusty cave somewhere. Back when we used tapes, a good percentage of the time that i requested them back they were unreadable.
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I am guessing, the government contract required offsite storage. They likely thought the DR media would be useless without the storage system,
but given time and effort even the that mess could be recovered. (If someone REALLY wanted to).
 
digsbe said:
I wonder how they were recovered? Didn't they swear up and down that all data was deleted/not accessible?
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Because they're lying sacks of political ****, and don't know that IT people are paid to back this **** up. It's a requirement.
 
Phys251 said:
Nope, because Republicans have been rooting hard for Obama to commit a major scandal since the day he took office. They rejoiced when they thought they had him and tore their hair out as the manufactured outrages went nowhere.
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We didn't have to root for Obama to **** up; it was only a matter of time before he ****ed up.
 
lifeisshort said:
They have had many many months to doctor these files
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And here we already have an excuse should they not find the "evidence" they are not looking for as much as wanting.

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Deuce said:
Does it really matter to you? Are there any number of emails they could recover that would change your opinion on what happened?
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??? You do realize that it isn't the amount of emails but the content that matters, right?
 
They went to such great lengths to hide these e-mails...I'd be surprised if they didn't find something in them.
 
jmotivator said:
??? You do realize that it isn't the amount of emails but the content that matters, right?
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Do you realize that if she wrote 30,000 emails, she probably has Carpal Tunnel Syndrome?:lol:
 
ksu_aviator said:
They went to such great lengths to hide these e-mails...I'd be surprised if they didn't find something in them.
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Please show your evidence they tried to hide the emails? If you don't have any, its a GD lie. :(
 
pbrauer said:
Do you realize that if she wrote 30,000 emails, she probably has Carpal Tunnel Syndrome?:lol:
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She didn't write all the emails. Most were received from other people.
 
longview said:
I don't know which DR system they used but most involve sending tapes off to iron Mountain or another off site storage center.
The files themselves were likely stored as metadata, with CRC time stamps, it would take many months to try and remove some bit of text,
and not violate the CRC bit counting algorithm.
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And?
Do you honestly think they are being given the raw data to do their own recovery, especially as that is not what was asked for?

And since we already know that Commissioner John Koskinen hasn't been straight forward and forthcoming, the question asked is valid.
 
Excon said:
And?
Do you honestly think they are being given the raw data to do their own recovery, especially as that is not what was asked for?

And since we already know that Commissioner John Koskinen hasn't been straight forward and forthcoming, the question asked is valid.
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I don't think that is what is going on.
I think they were told that if the backup server were lost, the DR files that went with it were unrecoverable.
 
longview said:
I don't think that is what is going on.
I think they were told that if the backup server were lost, the DR files that went with it were unrecoverable.
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You don't think that is what is going on?
That he didn't bother to tell them that they were lost to begin with as he was told?
Koskinen hasn't been straight forward and forthcoming.
While there may be nothing untoward happening, my question is still valid and his lack in being straight forward is just reason to ask/investigate further.
 
Excon said:
You don't think that is what is going on?
That he didn't bother to tell them that they were lost to begin with as he was told?
Koskinen hasn't been straight forward and forthcoming.
While there may be nothing untoward happening, my question is still valid and his lack in being straight forward is just reason to ask/investigate further.
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I think they were told the files were unrecoverable, The fact that they are, is likely an very unpleasant bit of news.
 
longview said:
I think they were told the files were unrecoverable, The fact that they are, is likely an very unpleasant bit of news.
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1. Really? Are you not aware that he did not tell Congress when he found that out?
2. ??? The report from the OP says they are recoverable. So the question is valid.
 
poweRob said:
And here we already have an excuse should they not find the "evidence" they are not looking for as much as wanting.
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Are you saying this administration wouldn't try to cover anything up? If you are, you're a fool.
 
pbrauer said:
Please show your evidence they tried to hide the emails? If you don't have any, its a GD lie. :(
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The IRS said Friday that it has lost emails from five other employees involved in congressional probes into the agency's targeting of conservative groups, leading one top Republican to declare "this pattern must stop."

"The IRS’s ever-changing story is practically impossible to follow at this point, as they modify it each time to accommodate new facts," Issa, R-Calif., said. "This pattern must stop."

IRS says it has lost emails from 5 other employees related to probes | Fox News
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1. I believe the government uses Microsoft Exchange for their email servers. They have built-in exchange mail database redundancy. So, unless they did not follow Microsofts recommendations they are telling a falsehood. You can see by the diagram below that if you have three servers in a DAG you have three copies of the database.

2. Every IT organization that I know of has hotswappable disk drives. Every server built since 2000 has them. Meaning that if a single disk goes bad it’s easy to replace.

3. ALL Servers use some form of RAID technology. The only way that data can be totally lost (Meaning difficult to bring back) is if more than a single disk goes before the first bad disk is replaced. In the diagram below you can see that its possible to lose a single disk and still keep the data.

4. If the server crashed (Hardware failure other than disks), then the disks that contain the DATA for the Exchange database is still available because the server hardware and disks are exchangeable. Meaning that if I have another server with the same hardware in it, I can put the disks in and everything should boot right up.

5. All email servers in a professional organization use TAPE backup. Meaning if all the above fails, you can restore the server using the TAPE backups.

6. If they are talking about her local PC, then it’s a simple matter of going to the servers which have the email and getting them from the servers. If the servers have removed the data you can still get them by using the backups of the servers to recover the emails.

Veteran IT Professional Gives Six Reasons Why the IRS’ Claim That It ‘Lost’ Two Years of Lois Lerner’s Emails Is ‘Simply Not Feasible’ | TheBlaze.com
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IRS attorneys conceded that they had failed to search the agency’s servers for missing emails because they decided that “the servers would not result in the recovery of any information.” They admitted they had failed to search the agency’s disaster recovery tapes because they had “no reason to believe that the tapes are a potential source of recovering” the missing emails. And they conceded that they had not searched the government-wide back-up system because they had “no reason to believe such a system…even exists.”

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...Czmokpu1sHQV3TMvA&sig2=178Aes9MP5dwDKPTznwxqg
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First, there was no targeting by the IRS. Then there was, but only by those rogue IRS employees down in Cincinnati. Then, there was a spontaneous uprising from a YouTube video (oops sorry, wrong lie scandal). There was confusion about how to apply the tax law, but not political, and not from above. Then, top IRS Official Lois Lerner refused to testify.

IRS Commissioner Miller seemed defiant too and was sacked. Then, there was a year-long Congressional investigation before the IRS finally admitted the 2009 through 2011 Lois Lerner’s emails ‘disappeared.’ Then, the backups didn’t work were recycled. Then, the new IRS Commissioner said the IRS needs a bigger tech budget.

The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration has confirmed that, on top of the backed-up email horde, there are also nearly 2,500 documents relating to investigations of the improper disclosure of confidential taxpayer information by the IRS to the White House. Yes, the White House.

In 'Lost' Trove Of IRS Emails, 2,500 May Link White House To Confidential Taxpayer Data - Forbes
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So I gave you 1. IRS was inconsistent (first sign of a lie) 2. IT technical explanation why the IRS story was unlikely to be true 3. An admission by the IRS that they didn't even try to find the "missing" e-mails 4. A summary of the changing lies and the realization that 2500 emails between Louis Lerner and the White House were among the "lost" emails.

No lies here. Just speculation based on the events that lie before us. If this was GWB, you'd be standing on Pennsylvania Avenue with your guillotine and a sign calling for his execution.
 
ksu_aviator said:
They went to such great lengths to hide these e-mails...I'd be surprised if they didn't find something in them.
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pbrauer said:
Please show your evidence they tried to hide the emails? If you don't have any, its a GD lie. :(
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ksu_aviator said:
So I gave you 1. IRS was inconsistent (first sign of a lie) 2. IT technical explanation why the IRS story was unlikely to be true 3. An admission by the IRS that they didn't even try to find the "missing" e-mails 4. A summary of the changing lies and the realization that 2500 emails between Louis Lerner and the White House were among the "lost" emails.

No lies here. Just speculation based on the events that lie before us. If this was GWB, you'd be standing on Pennsylvania Avenue with your guillotine and a sign calling for his execution.
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Thank You, Thank You for your work on this, I appreciate it.
As for me standing on Pennsylvania Avenue all I can say is, I don't think I would, I am not that type of person.
 
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