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Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

Congress shall have no problem arguing it's illegal then won't they? Except...

Think Obama Is Behaving Like A Dictator On Immigration? SCOTUS Would Very Much Beg To Differ - Forbes

So, I see you've ceded the silly precedence argument and have moved on. Now read my bold on the same quote for your answer.

Quote Originally Posted by Justice Kennedy

“Congress has specified which aliens may be removed from the United States and the procedures for doing so. Aliens may be removed if they were inadmissible at the time of entry, have been convicted of certain crimes, or meet other criteria set by federal law. Removal is a civil, not criminal, matter. A principal feature of the removal system is the broad discretion exercise by immigration officials (emphasis added). Federal officials, as an initial matter, must decide whether it makes sense to pursue removal at all. If removal proceedings commence, aliens may seek asylum and other discretionary relief allowing them to remain in the country or at least to leave without formal removal.

Who makes federal law? Does existing federal law say "enforcement to be determined at the discretion of the Executive"?
 
Not at all...Are you declaring that Obama is just doing exactly what Reagan did?

In 1987, President Reagan rescinded the deportation orders of 200K Nicaraguans through executive order:

U.S. May Let Some Illegals Stay If Relatives Qualify for Amnesty - NYTimes.com

And then changed government policy for non-citizens who'd fought in the Grenada campaign:

Executive Order 12582
Naturalization requirements exceptions for aliens and non-citizen nationals of the United States who served in the Grenada campaign

As I said, I'll wait until the court cases. However, I doubt Republicans will do more than bark and then just opt to defund Obama's EO and pass a bipartisan bill.
 
So, I see you've ceded the silly precedence argument and have moved on. Now read my bold on the same quote for your answer.



Who makes federal law? Does existing federal law say "enforcement to be determined at the discretion of the Executive"?

Hey, he doesn't want to talk about what the actual rules say. He wants to talk about SCOTUS and how they read them.

Oh, and just for the lols Justice Kennedy was appointed by Reagan in 1988. :lamo So the guy that was trying to get away with something appointed a guy that argued in his favor. Classic.
 
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So, I see you've ceded the silly precedence argument and have moved on.

I haven't moved on to anything else. I showed why SCOTUS would back Obama on this and how precedent plays a role on the fact that it's very unlikely the GOP will get more than whining and a bill out of it. :lol:

Now read my bold on the same quote for your answer.

Who makes federal law? Does existing federal law say "enforcement to be determined at the discretion of the Executive"?

What part of this is problematic for you: Federal officials, as an initial matter, must decide whether it makes sense to pursue removal at all.
 
He didn't throw out the law either. Please stop the hyperbole. Obama did what presidents have had the authority to do. Don't like it? Take it up with 50+ years of similar EOs.

I do wish you would review the history before posting something like this.
 
Seems he is doing his job. Just like these guys:

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So Obama is putting out an executive order, identical in value to the 18 or so pushed by Republican presidents. Were those EOs illegal? ;) As I said, I WILL WAIT FOR THE LAWSUITS.

Show one example of any of those executive orders altering the law.
 
In 1987, President Reagan rescinded the deportation orders of 200K Nicaraguans through executive order:

U.S. May Let Some Illegals Stay If Relatives Qualify for Amnesty - NYTimes.com

This first one was essentially tweaking the underlying legislation that was passed by congress, and signed by him, and for a relatively small amount of people with special circumstances...Nothing like what Obama did last night.

And then changed government policy for non-citizens who'd fought in the Grenada campaign:

Executive Order 12582
Naturalization requirements exceptions for aliens and non-citizen nationals of the United States who served in the Grenada campaign

Again, not even close to the same thing...The EO reads in part:

"For the purpose of determining qualification for the exceptions from the usual requirements for naturalization, the period of Grenada military operations in which the Armed Forces of the United States were engaged in armed conflict with a hostile foreign force commenced on October 25, 1983, and terminated on November 2, 1983. Those persons serving honorably in active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States during this period, in the Grenada campaign, are eligible for naturalization in accordance with the statutory exceptions to the naturalization requirements, as provided in Section 1440(b) of Title 8, United States Code."

So, how many of the 5 million served in the military during the use against a hostile force? You're reaching here.

As I said, I'll wait until the court cases. However, I doubt Republicans will do more than bark and then just opt to defund Obama's EO and pass a bipartisan bill.

As will I, wait for the cases that is. However, the Congress should absolutely refuse to fund anything associated with implementing this bull crap...
 
Show one example of any of those executive orders altering the law.

Does Obama's executive order change the law?

Reagan literally altered the criteria for deportation to include families that Congress didn't authorize.
 
This first one was essentially tweaking the underlying legislation that was passed by congress, and signed by him, and for a relatively small amount of people with special circumstances...Nothing like what Obama did last night.

He rescinded their deportation orders. Lol. Are you kidding?

Again, not even close to the same thing...The EO reads in part:

"For the purpose of determining qualification for the exceptions from the usual requirements for naturalization, the period of Grenada military operations in which the Armed Forces of the United States were engaged in armed conflict with a hostile foreign force commenced on October 25, 1983, and terminated on November 2, 1983. Those persons serving honorably in active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States during this period, in the Grenada campaign, are eligible for naturalization in accordance with the statutory exceptions to the naturalization requirements, as provided in Section 1440(b) of Title 8, United States Code."

So, how many of the 5 million served in the military during the use against a hostile force? You're reaching here.

He created an exception within the law. That's exactly what Obama just did. Are you even serious about this?

As will I, wait for the cases that is. However, the Congress should absolutely refuse to fund anything associated with implementing this bull crap...

There won't be any.
 
Does Obama's executive order change the law?

Reagan literally altered the criteria for deportation to include families that Congress didn't authorize.

The partisanship is too strong for them. There are so many Republicans with Reagan's decrepit dick so far down their throats, they're actively claiming that two presidents who did the exact same thing are not doing the exact same thing.
 
Does Obama's executive order change the law?

Reagan literally altered the criteria for deportation to include families that Congress didn't authorize.

Reagan used the EO process exactly the way it should have been used...There was a law that was passed by Congress, and he signed. Then when gaps in that law were identified, he used the EO to fix the gaps in the spirit of the law he just signed...That's the point...Obama is doing this without an underlying law to tie it to....So, the answer to your first question is no, because there is no law that was passed, which makes this a dictate, not a true EO.
 
Reagan used the EO process exactly the way it should have been used...There was a law that was passed by Congress, and he signed. Then when gaps in that law were identified, he used the EO to fix the gaps in the spirit of the law he just signed...That's the point...Obama is doing this without an underlying law to tie it to....So, the answer to your first question is no, because there is no law that was passed, which makes this a dictate, not a true EO.

He's tying it to existing laws, you just don't want that to be the case. The recency of the law is irrelevant.
 
Does Obama's executive order change the law?

He changes the lawful standards that allow immigrants to stay in the country, by changing the visa process.
 
The partisanship is too strong for them. There are so many Republicans with Reagan's decrepit dick so far down their throats, they're actively claiming that two presidents who did the exact same thing are not doing the exact same thing.

Ok, first being offensive while decrying partisanship is absurdly laughable. Second, What Reagan did with his EO, and Obama did are two totally different things, unless you want to say that both contain deception by democrats toward the American people.
 
He rescinded their deportation orders. Lol. Are you kidding?



He created an exception within the law. That's exactly what Obama just did. Are you even serious about this?



There won't be any.

An exception within the law? That's a violation of The Equal Protection Clause.
 
Show one example of any of those executive orders altering the law.

1. Obama's order didn't alter the law. It created an exception.
2. Those EOs are exceptions to existing laws.
3. If Obama's EO changed the law, SO DID THE PREVIOUS EOs THAT DID THE SAME THING AND CONGRESS DID NOTHING.

In short, anyway you want to play this, Congress loses:

1. It has demonstrated 50 times that the president can create exceptions to existing law.
2. It has remained silent 50 times on similar EOs by Republican presidents.
3. All it can threaten is to defund this EO.

You know, I'm starting to think you're really ignorant of what you're discussing.
 
He changes the lawful standards that allow immigrants to stay in the country, by changing the visa process.

And Reagan allowed people to stay in the country who'd never been authorized by Congress to do so.
 
An exception within the law? That's a violation of The Equal Protection Clause.

Lmao, yeah - tell that to the Cubans and Haitians in Miami. Again, you can keep making up the violations as they come - however, there are 50 years of EOs by Republican POTUS that say different. I'll wait for the lawsuits, if there are any.
 
He rescinded their deportation orders. Lol. Are you kidding?

Well, I am no attorney, or law scholar for sure, but I think that there is a big difference between 200,000 sick or disabled people, and just waiving the pen in a constitutional temper tantrum.

He created an exception within the law. That's exactly what Obama just did. Are you even serious about this?

Then lay it out...Originally you asked how it was illegal, and I provided a detailed article on exactly how, and you ignored it. Now you are moving to say it is what others did like Reagan, and I showed that was wrong as well...So, I guess now all you can do is attempt to dismiss it by laughing at it....eh :shrug: that too is a well worn tactic...Won't work...We shall wait and see.

There won't be any.

That's your opinion...We shall see.
 
Obama Announces Sweeping Changes to Immigration Policy - NBC News


Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million - The Washington Post

Well, our dear Mr. President still going his own way, which only he can understand.



He also said that majority of Americans supports immigration policy. WHAT?! Hmm, when the "majority" become "7 states"?

Also, Fed announced an end to Quantitative Easing BO increased the labor force for low wage jobs by 8%.
And i think 5 mln immigrants will provoke decreasing again! 5 mln of low-qualified workers will also provoke sad situation not only with workplaces!

Well, let's wait and see!
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I was looking for an English translation of this, without success, so I am forced to comment on what I think it says. From what I am able to decipher the OP believes Obama has done something outrageous. The reality (and I realize too many people aren't comfortable there) is that has done nothing more than articulate executive policy, in the absence of comprehensive immigration reform. The door is wide open for Congress actually put together comprehensive immigration reform. Unfortunately, the Cons will once again feign outrage about the process and turn their back on the substance.

I am not sure what quantative easing has to do with anything here or what 5 million low qualified workers are all about (again, I could not find a good translation of the OP). We are taking about enforcement of immigration laws against people that are already here, many of whom are incredibly well qualified (you do realize that a substantial portion of illegals did not cross the border, but flew into JFK on student or work visa and just overstayed their welcome?)
 
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Lmao, yeah - tell that to the Cubans and Haitians in Miami. Again, you can keep making up the violations as they come - however, there are 50 years of EOs by Republican POTUS that say different. I'll wait for the lawsuits, if there are any.

They were refugees. Illegal immigrants aren't refugees. If they were, they wouldn't be illegal immigrants. Do you know what refugee status is?
 
And Reagan allowed people to stay in the country who'd never been authorized by Congress to do so.

Who, how many and on what grounds? Be specific.
 
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