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Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

j-mac said:
Stand with me in petitioning the moderation team to create your own section where you can post as many of these repetitive threads as you wish and quit littering up BN.
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why would BN threads not be posted in the BN section? thats silly
 
Ikari said:
It's not exactly what happened here (they didn't refuse service to a gay couple, they refused to bake a special order cake for a ceremony they didn't fundamentally agree with), but seeing as the only way you seem to be able to argue headway here is to play the race card, a black man would have no innate right to your cake either. A cake is not a right.
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What if it was for an inter racial wedding, and the vendor disagreed with those?

My own opinion is that a person should be allowed to refuse service to anyone for whatever reason they have. However, if we are going to have anti discrimination laws, then gays should be included.
 
AGENT J said:
why would BN threads not be posted in the BN section? thats silly
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Just as other times when subjects have multiple stories, breaking repeatedly and the BN section seems to have threads that are arguing the same points although from different areas of the country, so a sub section seems appropriate
 
j-mac said:
Just as other times when subjects have multiple stories, breaking repeatedly and the BN section seems to have threads that are arguing the same points although from different areas of the country, so a sub section seems appropriate
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you havent answered, like what other subjects. . . criminal cases? again thats silly


I mean dont get me wrong id be fine with a sub forum but i see no need and id still post BN in BN just like now. When its not BN i it might go in sexuality or law and order. :shrug: A sub forum seems like a wast but im not against it.
 
AGENT J said:
you havent answered, like what other subjects. . . criminal cases? again thats silly


I mean dont get me wrong id be fine with a sub forum but i see no need and id still post BN in BN just like now. When its not BN i it might go in sexuality or law and order. :shrug: A sub forum seems like a wast but im not against it.
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Well, pardon my lack of articulation if there is such...Remember when the GZ/Martin case was going on? seemed like every other day there was another thread talking about essentially the same thing? That is kind of what I am talking about with this subject...I understand your support, and your desire to make sure it is out there and talked about, but maybe a sub forum would serve the purpose better. That's all.
 
j-mac said:
Well, pardon my lack of articulation if there is such...Remember when the GZ/Martin case was going on? seemed like every other day there was another thread talking about essentially the same thing? That is kind of what I am talking about with this subject...I understand your support, and your desire to make sure it is out there and talked about, but maybe a sub forum would serve the purpose better. That's all.
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not really a desire to make sure its out there just posting where it fits. I dont see it relating to criminal trials or other stuff but again like I said i wouldnt be against it just dont see the need. the BNs would still happen whether posted in the BN forum or not.
 
AGENT J said:
not really a desire to make sure its out there just posting where it fits. I dont see it relating to criminal trials or other stuff but again like I said i wouldnt be against it just dont see the need. the BNs would still happen whether posted in the BN forum or not.
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Ok, maybe I am not being clear...There seems to be somewhat of a disconnect between us, but no worries...It was just a thought...
 
j-mac said:
Ok, maybe I am not being clear...There seems to be somewhat of a disconnect between us, but no worries...It was just a thought...
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ok :shrug:
 
Ikari said:
"hose business owners would have chosen not to break the laws and rules that apply to us all and be criminals then there would be no issue." is appeal to authority.
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No, not in our society where we make the laws.

It's saying that the force used against them was legitimate because government says that it's legitimate.
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As I said we make it legitimate.

When you use the guns of government to get a product, such as a cake, from someone else you are indeed laying claim, at least in part, to their property and labor. These are just facts.
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No that is a misrepresentation. When they opened a business to the public they have agreed to certain rules and now they are held to that agreement. There are countless way they can "limit" their service, a business open to the public is not one of them.

you don't want to bog down into this other line of propaganda and illegitimate use of government force.
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It is not a bog down enforcing the laws and rules we have agreed to live by and it certainly is not illegitimate.
 
Ikari said:
Not necessarily the civil rights act, but push towards a place where everyone's rights and liberties are acknowledged and respected; not just a few chosen groups.
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Yes, that is why discrimination is illegal.
 
Ikari said:
No they do not. If I had requested a hail satan cake from the bakery, do you think they'd be out of business now?
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An interesting question but it only shows that you do not fully understand the issue. The cake for the gay wedding was "for" the wedding and not in support of it. The very same cake could have been ordered by anyone for that wedding. It would have been an entirely different matter if the request would have been for a cake with the inscription of say 'God bess the gay couple' or something similar. For that reason your analogy fails as the bakers would be just as much out of business if the satanists ordered a cake for their celebration.
 
Ikari said:
A cake is not a right.
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The issue is not the cake being right but refusal of service by a business open to the public being wrong. What would you do if you were in an accident and paramedics refused first aid to you because they did not like you? Is first aid a right?
 
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