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How the GOP used Twitter to stretch laws

:shrug: I read them, I knew the main points. Don't know why you guys didn't.

Given that some sections weren't written until after the President signed the actual law, that's pretty impressive. Do you time travel often, or only just when reading jillion page pieces of legislation?
 
Given that some sections weren't written until after the President signed the actual law, that's pretty impressive. Do you time travel often, or only just when reading jillion page pieces of legislation?

Which sections?

As for "jillion pages," one "page" of legislation is something most of us would call a "paragraph," due to all the formatting and line breaks.

I even did it once with one of the earlier revisions specifically to write up a debunk for a HUGE litany of right-wing lies about the bill. (to be fair, they made it easy by making a ****load of claims with specific page numbers, knowing full well none of the right-wingers would ever bother to check their claims)
 
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Just another distraction from Benghazi, if you ask me.
 
Oh noes! They posted polling results on twitter!
The democrat party was hosed week before last, this is just some residual butt hurt.
 
Oh noes! They posted polling results on twitter!
The democrat party was hosed week before last, this is just some residual butt hurt.

We already know you don't care if Republicans violate election law.
 
I care if ANYONE does, but this is really stretching things. Think more tucks medicated pad and less smoking gun.

Stretching things? They deliberately circumvented laws against sharing such information, coordinating. When it comes to election law, do you care about the letter of the law or the spirit of the law?
 
Stretching things? They deliberately circumvented laws against sharing such information, coordinating. When it comes to election law, do you care about the letter of the law or the spirit of the law?

I think both should be considered. Lets see this go to court-and more importantly what the ruling is.
 
We already know you don't care if Republicans violate election law legitimately exercise their First Amendment rights.

Fixed it for you. Not that it makes any difference, to you. Those of you on the wrong despise the First Amendment, almost as much as you despise the Constitution as a whole.
 
Stretching things? They deliberately circumvented laws against sharing such information, coordinating. When it comes to election law, do you care about the letter of the law or the spirit of the law?

The First Amendment is the law.
 
Fixed it for you. Not that it makes any difference, to you. Those of you on the wrong despise the First Amendment, almost as much as you despise the Constitution as a whole.

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yeah, first amendment rights to violate election law. Sure.
 
Anyone else see the connection between this thread, and http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...47-latest-lefty-move-against-free-speech.html?

A primary purpose of the First Amendment is to promote a free marketplace of opinions and ideas, where all can be openly communicated, and the voting public may choose which ideas are persuasive enough to win their support.

Lately, the wrong-wing is getting is ass handed to it in this free marketplace of ideas. Their ideology has been tested as found to be a failure, and they are running out of any arguments by which to continue to support their failed ideas. Their strategy, now, is to seek every excuse to regulate the idea marketplace, to make sure that their ideas get a “fair” hearing, by suppressing the expression of any ideas contrary to their own.

This is a desperate move, by a side that knows that it has already lost.
 


Washington (CNN) - Republicans and outside groups used anonymous Twitter accounts to share internal polling data ahead of the midterm elections, CNN has learned, a practice that raises questions about whether they violated campaign finance laws that prohibit coordination.

The Twitter accounts were hidden in plain sight. The profiles were publicly available but meaningless without knowledge of how to find them and decode the information, according to a source with knowledge of the activities.

The practice is the latest effort in the quest by political operatives to exploit the murky world of campaign finance laws at a time when limits on spending in politics are eroding and regulators are being defanged.

The law says that outside groups, such as super PACs and non-profits, can spend freely on political causes as long as they don't coordinate their plans with campaigns. Sharing costly internal polls in private, for instance, could signal to the campaign committees where to focus precious time and resources.

The groups behind the operation had a sense of humor about what they were doing. One Twitter account was named after Bruno Gianelli, a fictional character in The West Wing who pressed his colleagues to use ethically questionable "soft money" to fund campaigns.

A typical tweet read: "CA-40/43-44/49-44/44-50/36-44/49-10/16/14-52-->49/476-10s." The source said posts like that -- which would look like gibberish to most people -- represented polling data for various House races.

Posting the information on Twitter, which is technically public, could provide a convenient loophole to the law — or could run afoul of it.

"It's a line that has not been defined. This is really on the cutting edge," said Paul S. Ryan, senior counsel at the Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan organization focused on campaign finance issues. "It might not be legal. It's a cutting edge practice that, to my knowledge, the Federal Election Commission has never before addressed to explicitly determine its legality or permissibility."

At least two outside groups and a Republican campaign committee had access to the information posted to the accounts, according to the source. They include American Crossroads, the super PAC founded by Karl Rove; American Action Network, a nonprofit advocacy group, and the National Republican Congressional Committee, which is the campaign arm for the House GOP.

Accounts deleted

The accounts that CNN reviewed were active in the months ahead of this month's election, which gave Republicans their largest majority in the House since World War II and control of the Senate. They were live until Nov. 3 but deleted minutes after CNN contacted the NRCC with questions.
How the GOP used Twitter to stretch election laws - CNN.com


I guess voter fraud is a real issue. If this actually goes anywhere this could be good ammo for us Dems to use in 2016. If it goes nowhere expect the Dems to use this same strategy. To me deleting the accounts is admission of guilt. If the GOP didn't do anything wrong then those accounts would still be active.



How many votes were affected?

FFS, your president has just been caught in a series of devastating lies, saying he did not know the architect of the ACA, while hundreds of clips are being produced with the big Owe talking about Gruber...

..and you figure some pushing of the envelope of stupid laws, which is "progressive" is what's happening today.

Might wash is Owbama himself obeyed the law.

Keep up the good work digging up dirt on Republicans, any more and I may even vote for them. You Democrats are pathetic and confirmation that Obama supporters at least define the "stupid voter" Gruber is talking about.
 
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yeah, first amendment rights to violate election law. Sure.

A law which violates the Constitution is invalid. Your side's abject hatred of the Constitution notwithstanding, the Constitution is the highest law of the land, and it trumps any lower law which contradicts it.
 
Fixed it for you. Not that it makes any difference, to you. Those of you on the wrong despise the First Amendment, almost as much as you despise the Constitution as a whole.

Okay. :roll:
 
How many votes were affected?

FFS, your president has just been caught in a series of devastating lies, saying he did not know the architect of the ACA, while hundreds of clips are being produced with the big Owe talking about Gruber...

..and you figure some pushing of the envelope of stupid laws, which is "progressive" is what's happening today.

Might wash is Owbama himself obeyed the law.

Keep up the good work digging up dirt on Republicans, any more and I may even vote for them. You Democrats are pathetic and confirmation that Obama supporters at least define the "stupid voter" Gruber is talking about.

Obama bad, therefore anything Republicans do is OK!
 
First, there would have to be proof that these accounts exceeded the limitations on coordinated communications, and/or weren't properly reported.


And then the dems will have to show their PACs didn't do the same thing.
 
Okay. :roll:

Kobie, I think you despise the COTUS because its a list of rights you CANT violate.

That infuriates the left, the people who think COTUS means what it ought to mean. And to add insult to injury, its quite difficult to amend as well. You think it stands between you and utopia.

The problem, is you cant force people to do things, and when that issue comes up it leads to unspeakable evil from your ideology. And they think its justified.

 
Kobie, I think you despise the COTUS

I stopped reading there. If you don't have anything more substantive and less hackish than "you despise the Constitution," then save your bull**** rhetoric for someone willing to listen to it.
 
I stopped reading there. If you don't have anything more substantive and less hackish than "you despise the Constitution," then save your bull**** rhetoric for someone willing to listen to it.

If you had read on, you would see I elaborate. Theres no need to be so closed minded, Kobie.
 
If you had read on, you would see I elaborate. Theres no need to be so closed minded, Kobie.

No real need. It's your usual "you hate America" trash. I'm sure you "elaborated" with more of your usual bull**** that I have no interest in. Again, save it for someone who cares about your opinion.
 
Kobie, I think you despise the COTUS because its a list of rights you CANT violate.

That infuriates the left, the people who think COTUS means what it ought to mean. And to add insult to injury, its quite difficult to amend as well. You think it stands between you and utopia.

The problem, is you cant force people to do things, and when that issue comes up it leads to unspeakable evil from your ideology. And they think its justified.





Socialist successes:

Russia
USSR
Soviet Republics
East Germany
Korea
Cuba
Ontario 1990's
British Columbia 1990's
Newfoundland
 
Stretching things? They deliberately circumvented laws against sharing such information, coordinating. When it comes to election law, do you care about the letter of the law or the spirit of the law?

"Deliberately" should not be coming out of the mouths of the American left after the revelation of "tortured language" along with "who? Gruber what?"

In a free country like mine, the constitution is more than a document to be worshiped from afar, but the ultimate law of the land, preventing run-away dictators of implementing their own laws like Hitler and Mussolini did.

In that regard your protests fall on uncaring ears, while Obama wipes his ass with Mr. Jefferson's creation, he has inadvertantly changed the game in the US...what's good for Goosie Obama is also good for the Republicans.

Get used to yelling the word "unfair" and if you have a real issue feel free to write to Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi, I am sure they care..

Damn, I do love the concept of payback...it's the hockey player in me. Lace 'em up people, it is about to get very painful at 60 miles an hour
 
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