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Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

we cant fix the world.....

nor take in all that want to come.......

sorry...but that is the truth

hell....there are millions in africa that would give everything they have to come here

we have a system....a broken system....but it does somewhat work

i tell them to bide their time, and do the right thing

i dont tell them to break the law

The only choice that matters to some people is to live or to die. People struggle to survive precisely because the choice is whether to try and continue living or to give up and succumb to deaths embrace.

I know the world is full of problems, but like my signature states: I cannot stand it so I try to reach out for a better world.
 
I stand for treating the refugees humanly.

I don't know who are illiegals you want to deport but until you can identify them as being separate from the refugees, then I have to assume you mean to deport all illiegals regardless of circumstance.

LOL!!!

You just keep throwing **** against the wall, don't you? Now it's "refugees".

You are rapidly losing what little bit of credibility you ever had, dude.
 
LOL!!!

You just keep throwing **** against the wall, don't you? Now it's "refugees".

You are rapidly losing what little bit of credibility you ever had, dude.

Can you tell me how many of the illiegals are refugees? Can you identify each one without having to ask qestions?
 
Can you tell me how many of the illiegals are refugees? Can you identify each one without having to ask qestions?

Who cares? If a person is a refugee, we have laws to deal with them as a refugee. If a person is an illegal alien, we have laws to deal with them as an illegal alien. All we need to do is apply and enforce our current laws.

This isn't rocket science, dude.
 
Neither of your examples quote anyone, of any political persuasion "crowing" that the shutdown would cause the dems to take the House. In fact, the second link says absolutely nothing about the upcoming election

So you don't need to "go on". You need to start

Or did you forget what you said? Here's a reminder:

I didn't expect you to be gracious in defeat, so nothing lost. Carry on.
 
Who cares? If a person is a refugee, we have laws to deal with them as a refugee. If a person is an illegal alien, we have laws to deal with them as an illegal alien. All we need to do is apply and enforce our current laws.

This isn't rocket science, dude.

Then let me ask you this: is fulfilling the laws of this country require more deportations? Faster ones? What exactly is not being enforced.
 
Has McConnell said anything about shutting down the government?
Funny you should ask...
McConnell rules out government shutdown to block Obama immigration moves

Mitch McConnell rules out govt. shutdown to block Obama immigration moves - Washington Times

From the article:
“We’ll not be shutting the government down or threatening to default on the national debt,” Sen. Mitch McConnell, the incoming majority leader, told reporters after meeting with his GOP colleagues, flatly ruling out an all-or-nothing showdown over Mr. Obama’s plans.
 
Then let me ask you this: is fulfilling the laws of this country require more deportations? Faster ones? What exactly is not being enforced.

More deportations? Sure. Faster ones? Maybe.

How about not making up rules that are not included in any law to allow illegal aliens to stay in our country? For example, Obama, through EO, implemented the Dream Act. The only problem is...the Dream Act, while it was considered by Congress, was never passed into law. The EO doesn't enforce the current laws...it stands them on their ear.

Another example: The Senate passed a bill that would grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. That bill has not been enacted into law as yet. But Obama threatens, by the use of EO, to implement at least the amnesty part of that Senate bill. That will also stand our current laws on their ear.

So, Obama...instead of enforcing current laws is doing everything he can to make up his own laws...laws that have not been passed by Congress nor signed by him.
 
More deportations? Sure. Faster ones? Maybe.

How about not making up rules that are not included in any law to allow illegal aliens to stay in our country? For example, Obama, through EO, implemented the Dream Act. The only problem is...the Dream Act, while it was considered by Congress, was never passed into law. The EO doesn't enforce the current laws...it stands them on their ear.

Another example: The Senate passed a bill that would grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. That bill has not been enacted into law as yet. But Obama threatens, by the use of EO, to implement at least the amnesty part of that Senate bill. That will also stand our current laws on their ear.

So, Obama...instead of enforcing current laws is doing everything he can to make up his own laws...laws that have not been passed by Congress nor signed by him.

How much will it cost to find and deport every illiegal immigrant?

Besides some of these illiegals have been here for so long that they have developed roots here and their life expierance has been spent living in America. These people have lost their ties to their original country.
 
How much will it cost to find and deport every illiegal immigrant?

Besides some of these illiegals have been here for so long that they have developed roots here and their life expierance has been spent living in America. These people have lost their ties to their original country.

How much will it cost when 42% of them live on welfare, forever?

It would cost less to deport them. Once the word is out that there's a crackdown, most will self-deport.
 
How much will it cost to find and deport every illiegal immigrant?

Besides some of these illiegals have been here for so long that they have developed roots here and their life expierance has been spent living in America. These people have lost their ties to their original country.

Not as much as you think. Heck, I'm thinking it'll be cheaper than what it's costing us to keep them here.

If we were to enforce existing laws, a whole lot of those illegal aliens...maybe even a majority of them...would self-deport.

Anyway, your complaints about morality, bigotry and refugee status have all been a bust for you. Now you want to talk about cost? What other ridiculous reasonings are you going to come up with?


Whoops!! You beat me too it, apdst. :lol:
 
Not as much as you think. Heck, I'm thinking it'll be cheaper than what it's costing us to keep them here.

If we were to enforce existing laws, a whole lot of those illegal aliens...maybe even a majority of them...would self-deport.

Anyway, your complaints about morality, bigotry and refugee status have all been a bust for you. Now you want to talk about cost? What other ridiculous reasonings are you going to come up with?


Whoops!! You beat me too it, apdst. :lol:

Oh... You want to know what I really think about immigration? You want me to offer my theory as to what the conservatives postition on immigration is? Go on, I'll play the clown for your amusement.
 
Oh... You want to know what I really think about immigration? You want me to offer my theory as to what the conservatives postition on immigration is? Go on, I'll play the clown for your amusement.

Oh...sure...tell me. :roll:


btw, I posted a link earlier to the House Republican's position on immigration reform. Before you spout off with your "theory", I suggest you check it out. That way you won't make yourself look like a foolish clown when you get it all wrong.
 
Oh...sure...tell me. :roll:


btw, I posted a link earlier to the House Republican's position on immigration reform. Before you spout off with your "theory", I suggest you check it out. That way you won't make yourself look like a foolish clown when you get it all wrong.

Could you please post the link again? I want to consider everything before I post what I really think.
 
How do you explain that to a family from el salvidor, guatamala or Honduras? What can you say to someone who has fled one of those violent countries, carrying what little valuables they can haul, traveled hundreds of miles to get away, and is desperate to find a better life for his or her family? What if they have no options left if they cannot get in?
I suggest waving good-bye at the border as they leave.
 

I looked at the article in the question and one thing bothers me about its contents.

Why is the issue of the legal status of 11 million people the sticking point?

I admit that I previously was about to go on a tirade, most likely saying things that I would regret. For the sake of civil discussion let us ignore the position of politicians and only discuss our personal positions. That way we can hopefully avoid the use of insults.
 
I looked at the article in the question and one thing bothers me about its contents.

Why is the issue of the legal status of 11 million people the sticking point?

I admit that I previously was about to go on a tirade, most likely saying things that I would regret. For the sake of civil discussion let us ignore the position of politicians and only discuss our personal positions. That way we can hopefully avoid the use of insults.

My personal position isn't really important...especially in reference to the topic of this thread...but I'll tell you anyway.

1. The law is the law. If we are going to have laws that address legal and illegal immigration, then we are beholden to abide by and enforce those laws or we should go through the proper process to change the laws.

2. Border security is of paramount importance to ANY country. One of our government's primary duties is to provide for border security. An administration that shirks that duty is failing its citizens.

3. The millions of illegal aliens who are currently IN this country need to be removed as soon as possible. There are many means to do this...any that work and that comply with existing laws should not be taken off the table.

4. When it comes to illegal aliens, I do NOT have a bleeding heart. Everyone in life makes choices and every choice results in consequences of one kind or another. If someone chooses to enter our country illegally, the MUST abide by the consequences.

5. There is the whole issue of legal immigration, guest worker programs, the various visas, etc. I'm not very knowledgeable about those issues, so I'll leave them up to others to decide the best way to deal with them. However, as with any other laws, once we have them in place...stick to them.
 
It remains impossible for the President to come to agreement with a GOP that can't agree with itself.
This has been the over-arching problem with every major issue since the House with its rhetorical TEA-party noose around their necks took over.

I'll be waiting anxiously for the House to allow anything on IR to hit their floor and be debated.
But I won't be holding my breath .

The Premier doesn't want compromise, he wants votes for the Dems, period, and he doesn't give a damn about the constitution or the American people.
 
The Premier doesn't want compromise, he wants votes for the Dems, period,
and he doesn't give a damn about the constitution or the American people.

Since none of this is true, it's entirely impossible for me to respond to you directly.
I will say that all Americans, including GOPs, want compromise and give a damn about the Constitution and the American people.

I can hardly wait until Sen. McConnell whips his own caucus into line.
He's even promised a five-day week, which actually heartens me that he is serious .
 
I stand for treating the refugees humanly.

I don't know who are illiegals you want to deport but until you can identify them as being separate from the refugees, then I have to assume you mean to deport all illiegals regardless of circumstance.

Breaking in never qualifies one as a refugee, plain and simple. And that last you have right. Btw, a refugee would go immediately to a US consulate, declare and file for status.
 
That is why we must be active in removing said bigotry wherever it emerges

Peachy, doesn't have anything to do with them being here illegally or the fact they should be deported. Nor should our disgust of bigotry be their shield against deportation.
 
Then let me ask you this: is fulfilling the laws of this country require more deportations? Faster ones? What exactly is not being enforced.

Catch and release. That's not enforcing the law. The idiot dream set. That's not enforcing the law. Allowing driver's licenses and then not snatching those folks right on up. That's not enforcing the law. Shall I go on or are you seriously asking this? Or is it just more spaghetti against the wall.
 
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