Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

Hatuey said:

Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration



In contrast, last time the GOP shut down the government:

Poll: Major damage to GOP after shutdown, and broad dissatisfaction with government - The Washington Post



Polls: Shutdown nightmare for Republicans - Tal Kopan - POLITICO.com
Poll shows Republicans taking blame for government shutdown - Los Angeles Times
Boomerang! Poll Reveals GOP's Government Shutdown Bolstered Obamacare's Popularity By 20% - Forbes
Poll: Government Shutdown Damages GOP - Business Insider

I'm sure that this time, a government shutdown will be positive for the GOPs image. Flight attendants, PR appointees and HS students will support this and it will give the GOP an even bigger majority in 2016. Using the shutdown option will also bring in support from Independents. They seem to be in favor of such things.

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The last government shutdown didn't seem to do much damage to the GOP. I mean, who swept the midterms?

NIMBY said:

How was the illegal immigration problem doing before Obama came to office?.

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Roughly about the same.

Do you know off-hand how many illegals were already here--or is there zero overlap on issues when dumped on a DEM President?

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If we believe pro-amnesty and other pro-illegals sources then it is about 8-12 million illegals.If we believe anti-illegal immigration sources then it is at least 20 million illegals.

Fletch said:

Why should they take the heat for Obamas vetoes? Or is he still responsible for nothing?

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The only entity responsible for zero is the GOP House of NO.
They have kept their promise not to act on the important issues of the day for four years and just won an election by being AWOL since July 31st .

Beaudreaux said:

How in the hell is shutting off the federal dollar spigot supposed to be interpreted as pleasing business partners? I don't know one, not one, business owner that would want to have the federal dollar stop flowing.

Seriously???

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I haven't seen one pro-business group that doesn't want a fix to immigration reform.
In fact, many of them are on board with whatever the President does because IR is such a problem for them .

eohrnberger said:

It's not decide as of yet.
GOP facing internal fight over government funding | WashingtonExaminer.com

So it's far from settled that the GOP is going to shutdown the government. More likely, they'll add provisions to the required funding bill that will defund the EO immigration actions that Obama wants to take, which seems to be a reasonable and not too extreme move to counter.

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And will cause a veto of the bill--shutting down the gov't just in time for what looks like an economically good Christmas.
The GOP plans on screwing up the omnibus process three weeks at a time, giving no confidence to their own business people .

Hatuey said:

Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration



In contrast, last time the GOP shut down the government:

Poll: Major damage to GOP after shutdown, and broad dissatisfaction with government - The Washington Post



Polls: Shutdown nightmare for Republicans - Tal Kopan - POLITICO.com
Poll shows Republicans taking blame for government shutdown - Los Angeles Times
Boomerang! Poll Reveals GOP's Government Shutdown Bolstered Obamacare's Popularity By 20% - Forbes
Poll: Government Shutdown Damages GOP - Business Insider

I'm sure that this time, a government shutdown will be positive for the GOPs image. Flight attendants, PR appointees and HS students will support this and it will give the GOP an even bigger majority in 2016. Using the shutdown option will also bring in support from Independents. They seem to be in favor of such things.

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Shutdowns hurt both parties and the president. It is very true the last shut down hurt the Republicans the most, but the Democrats didn't escape. Two stats here from the number guy. President Obama in September had a 46% approval rating, at the end of October it had fallen to 41%. It has pretty much stayed right there since then.

Party affiliation, pre-shutdown Democrats 35%, Republicans 30% Independents 32%. Post shutdown Democrats 30%, Republicans 21% Independents 47%. That is the highest percentage for independent since the shutdown. A year latter at the end of September 2014 the numbers stood Democrats 29%, Republicans 26% and Independents 42%. I haven't seen any figures for after the election.

Now independents seem to blame both sides or all sides more than taking sides. I should say the biggest chunk. Although the second biggest chunk would probably support the president with the smallest the congress. That is the nature of independents who want nothing else than the parties to work together.

I think in a long winded way what I am saying all parties get hurt, the president get hurt the least. Probably because he has the bully pulpit and he can shout blame the loudest.

NIMBY said:

And will cause a veto of the bill--shutting down the gov't just in time for what looks like an economically good Christmas.
The GOP plans on screwing up the omnibus process three weeks at a time, giving no confidence to their own business people .

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If Obama vetoes a funding bill (for whatever reason), and the government shuts down, isn't that more his fault then? What's he gonna say?
'I coulnd't sign this funding bill because it didn't contain the funding for my amnesty EO which is deeply unpopular with the voters' ?
'Because my amnesty EO is a vital and critical part of the federal government, which can't function without it' ?

The more I think about it, the more I think that he'll let it go, and complain to the Spanish news channels about 'those rotten Republicans who took their amnesty away'.

Yeah, but some say that it's a DC rule or something that anytime the government shuts down, it's all the Republican's fault. Maybe not this time?

Hatuey said:

Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration



In contrast, last time the GOP shut down the government:

Poll: Major damage to GOP after shutdown, and broad dissatisfaction with government - The Washington Post



Polls: Shutdown nightmare for Republicans - Tal Kopan - POLITICO.com
Poll shows Republicans taking blame for government shutdown - Los Angeles Times
Boomerang! Poll Reveals GOP's Government Shutdown Bolstered Obamacare's Popularity By 20% - Forbes
Poll: Government Shutdown Damages GOP - Business Insider

I'm sure that this time, a government shutdown will be positive for the GOPs image. Flight attendants, PR appointees and HS students will support this and it will give the GOP an even bigger majority in 2016. Using the shutdown option will also bring in support from Independents. They seem to be in favor of such things.

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There are a few problems here.

1. According to the article, one Republican contemplates a government shutdown. It makes no mention of at least 3 other Republicans, on Sunday, who said there is no contemplation of shutting down the government. Yet, the headline makes it sound like ALL the Republicans are on board. Reality is, nothing could be further from the truth.

2. The responsibility for shutting down the government depends on public perception...and who directs that perception. The Constitution directs that Congress construct and pass laws and that the President approves or vetoes the law. If Obama vetoes a law that results in a government shut down, then HE is responsible for the shut down. Simple logic. Unfortunately, logic won't come into play. Lies and spin by the Democrats...and their media buddies...will.

3. I think there is a saying in investments...something like, "Past performance does not guarantee future results." The same holds true here. We have different issues...different public perception of those issues...etc. All of the expected lies and spin from the Democrats and media just may not do the job...and Obama very well could take the heat for a government shut down.

So...there are a few options the Republicans might take to deal with this issue and a government shut down tactic may or may not be used. If it is, it's not certain that the Republicans will take the heat.

NIMBY said:

I haven't seen one pro-business group that doesn't want a fix to immigration reform.
In fact, many of them are on board with whatever the President does because IR is such a problem for them .

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How many of them have you seen screaming for amnesty?

eohrnberger said:

If Obama vetoes a funding bill (for whatever reason), and the government shuts down, isn't that more his fault then? What's he gonna say?
'I coulnd't sign this funding bill because it didn't contain the funding for my amnesty EO which is deeply unpopular with the voters' ?
'Because my amnesty EO is a vital and critical part of the federal government, which can't function without it' ?

The more I think about it, the more I think that he'll let it go, and complain to the Spanish news channels about 'those rotten Republicans who took their amnesty away'.

Yeah, but some say that it's a DC rule or something that anytime the government shuts down, it's all the Republican's fault. Maybe not this time?

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It's the Presidents job to veto bills he feels are wrong for the country, it is in the Constitution. It is the Congress's job to pass bills that will be signed into law or have the votes to override a veto. If Congress is unable to do either they fail and they have no one to blame but themselves. That is how governing works in America in case you have also forgotten like the Republicans in Washington have.

"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills." U.S.C. Art. I, sec. 7, cl. 1

The Framers gave the House, as the chamber most responsive to the people, the power of the purse so the people would have a powerful way to rein in the federal government. It is completely legitimate for the people's representatives to stop a President from abusing his authority by refusing to fund the abuse. But I think by surrendering beforehand, the Republican leadership has already made the power of the purse largely useless as a way to prevent Mr. Obama from granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. They have made sure the threat of cutting off the necessary funds is not credible.

The right way to stop this President from doing what he is threatening to is to impeach him if he does. This gross abuse of the pardon power Mr. Obama is planning would be only the latest in a long catalog of offenses he has committed against the public trust, even if probably the most outrageous one of all. Everything Richard Nixon did to undermine the structure of this country's government already pales in comparison. Barack Obama is engaging--has time and again engaged in for six years now--just the kind of abuse of executive power that impeachment was meant to remedy. It is an extreme measure, but no more extreme than the flagrant contempt for the Constitution that has called for it. No one should tolerate this kind of lawless rule, although I am sure people who share Mr. Obama's disdain for most things American hope for even more of it.

Hamilton discussed impeachment in detail in Federalist No. 65. This is part of what he wrote:

"The subjects of [the] jurisdiction [of a well constituted court for the trial of impeachments] are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself."

iguanaman said:

It's the Presidents job to veto bills he feels are wrong for the country, it is in the Constitution. It is the Congress's job to pass bills that will be signed into law or have the votes to override a veto. If Congress is unable to do either they fail and they have no one to blame but themselves. That is how governing works in America in case you have also forgotten like the Republicans in Washington have.

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The sentence I highlighted is inaccurate. It should read as follows:

"It is the Congress's job to pass bills that it THINKS are right for the country."

I find it notable that you think the President should base his action on what he FEELS. I guess that's because, like you, the President is a liberal and liberals are known to go by what they feel...not by any kind of thinking.

Mycroft said:

The sentence I highlighted is inaccurate. It should read as follows:

"It is the Congress's job to pass bills that it THINKS are right for the country."

I find it notable that you think the President should base his action on what he FEELS. I guess that's because, like you, the President is a liberal and liberals are known to go by what they feel...not by any kind of thinking.

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Only a Conservative would be able to think without feeling. Most of us do both, you know.
Congress passing bills that they know will be vetoed is an exercise in failure. It takes work to get things done. I fear they have forgotten how. We will see.

eohrnberger said:

The implied assumption is that the GOP will shutdown the government. That's not yet happened, and I kinda doubt that's what the GOP leadership will allow to happen, they may not be able to prevent it.

At present, they are only considering it.

Seems that regardless of the situation whenever there's a government shutdown, the rule in DC is to blame the Republicans.

One can only hope that the GOP comes up with something better than this to oppose Obama's unpopular immigration OE plans.

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actually they wouldn't shut down the government Obama's veto would shut down the government the house and senate republicans would pass a bill
that would just not include funding Obama's EO. which means they would basically not allow what he wants to occur to occur.

they would pass a normal budget that doesn't include something the president wants. if he veto's it then it would be Obama shutting down the government not republicans.

iguanaman said:

Right and when Obama vetos their poor excuses for legislation they will be back to the same. Inability to govern is not attractive to voters forever..

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poor excuse for legislation = I can't have my way. which sums it up for Obama's attitude.

no they are going to pass a bill. that bill simply won't allow Obama to break this countries constitution or laws. if Obama veto's the bill that is not the fault of the republicans.
that is squarely on Obama for shutting down the government.

iguanaman said:

It's the Presidents job to veto bills he feels are wrong for the country, it is in the Constitution. It is the Congress's job to pass bills that will be signed into law or have the votes to override a veto. If Congress is unable to do either they fail and they have no one to blame but themselves. That is how governing works in America in case you have also forgotten like the Republicans in Washington have.

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vetoing a bill because I can't get my way is not wrong for the country it is just bad for Obama's pride. if he can't put his pride away over not getting his way then he needs to step down as president as he doesn't have the ability to properly lead.

No it isn't congresses job to do that. it is congresses job to pass a bill that is good for the country as a whole. in this case not funding Obama's proposed illegal and unconstitutional amnesty bill is good for the country as a whole.

If Obama fails to sign a legit budget because he is to prideful then it is on him and no one else.

Obama doesn't know how to govern that is 99% of his problem.

ludin said:

poor excuse for legislation = I can't have my way. which sums it up for Obama's attitude.

no they are going to pass a bill. that bill simply won't allow Obama to break this countries constitution or laws. if Obama veto's the bill that is not the fault of the republicans.
that is squarely on Obama for shutting down the government.

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So you think the President should disobey his Constitutional duties and sign bills he believes are wrong for the country? Shame on you for that.

If Congress can't pass a bill that the President will sign it is their fault and their failure to govern according to our laws. They only need to ask what needs to be changed so he will sign. It is how our Govt. works. If you don't like it find someplace else to live.

ludin said:

actually they wouldn't shut down the government Obama's veto would shut down the government the house and senate republicans would pass a bill
that would just not include funding Obama's EO. which means they would basically not allow what he wants to occur to occur.

they would pass a normal budget that doesn't include something the president wants. if he veto's it then it would be Obama shutting down the government not republicans.

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Yes, but as I said earlier, that is simple logic. Unfortunately, the liberals/progressives/Democrats don't operate on logic. They operate on lies, spin and..."feelings".

iguanaman said:

Only a Conservative would be able to think without feeling. Most of us do both, you know.
Congress passing bills that they know will be vetoed is an exercise in failure. It takes work to get things done. I fear they have forgotten how. We will see.

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No...it takes a President who doesn't believe in "my way or the highway".

iguanaman said:

So you think the President should disobey his Constitutional duties and sign bills he believes are wrong for the country? Shame on you for that.

If Congress can't pass a bill that the President will sign it is their fault and their failure to govern according to our laws. They only need to ask what needs to be changed so he will sign. It is how our Govt. works. If you don't like it find someplace else to live.

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Now you are talking about Congress and the President working together. You can bet the Republicans are willing to work with Obama, but you can also bet that Obama has no interest in working with the Republicans. If he did, he wouldn't be talking about Executive Actions like he is.

But, you know, despite all of Obama's tough talk lately, I still don't think he has the balls to take the kind of stand you think he will. I don't think he'll veto a damned thing.

Mycroft said:

Now you are talking about Congress and the President working together. You can bet the Republicans are willing to work with Obama, but you can also bet that Obama has no interest in working with the Republicans. If he did, he wouldn't be talking about Executive Actions like he is.

But, you know, despite all of Obama's tough talk lately, I still don't think he has the balls to take the kind of stand you think he will. I don't think he'll veto a damned thing.

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There's an immigration bill sitting on Boehners desk that has already passed the Senate with bipartisan support. If they want to work with Obama they can put it up for a vote. That is the reason for the executive action they fear so...failure to govern.
Obama will veto, you can count on it. If Congress passes any of the the garbage that the House has been spewing for 4 years it will go down in flames. It is his Constitutional duty and it will be totally because the Republicans won't work with the President and all will know that.
You should know that the one thing any President won't do is relinquish the power of his office, it would be dangerous to the country.

iguanaman said:

So you think the President should disobey his Constitutional duties and sign bills he believes are wrong for the country? Shame on you for that.

If Congress can't pass a bill that the President will sign it is their fault and their failure to govern according to our laws. They only need to ask what needs to be changed so he will sign. It is how our Govt. works. If you don't like it find someplace else to live.

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not getting my way does not mean the bill is wrong for the country. so shame on Obama for putting his way above what is better for the country.
nope the president can sign the bill. there would be nothing wrong with the bill except it doesn't give the president his way. if he can't put aside his pride and pass a bill that keeps the country going then that is all on him.

nope they don't need to change it at all. the republicans are not going to fund or be party to Obama's unconstitutional EO on immigration, nor do they have to fund his illegal activity in doing so. to do that would break their oath to uphold the law of this country. the law of the country says if you do not have permission to be here then you must be deported.

that is how our government works we are a nation of laws not the nation of let the president have his way. if you don't like it you can move to places that are like this. North korea, china etc... all allow the countries leader to do what they want with little resistance.

iguanaman said:

There's an immigration bill sitting on Boehners desk that has already passed the Senate with bipartisan support. If they want to work with Obama they can put it up for a vote. That is the reason for the executive action they fear so...failure to govern.

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Doesn't matter if it passed the Senate with "bipartisan support". It's a bad bill...Boehner knows this...and that's why it's sitting on his desk. Really no different than the 300+ bills that are sitting on Harry's desk.

Now...the House could go through the process of crafting and passing their own bill, sending it to the Senate where Harry will drop it in a drawer instead of voting on it and trying to work out a compromise. Obama doesn't want to compromise. THAT'S why he's threatening Executive Action. He wants to pressure them to pass that crap from the Senate. I don't think he's going to get what he wants.

Obama will veto, you can count on it. If Congress passes any of the the garbage that the House has been spewing for 4 years it will go down in flames. It is his Constitutional duty and it will be totally because the Republicans won't work with the President and all will know that.
You should know that the one thing any President won't do is relinquish the power of his office, it would be dangerous to the country.

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You really don't know Obama at all, do you?

iguanaman said:

There's an immigration bill sitting on Boehners desk that has already passed the Senate with bipartisan support. If they want to work with Obama they can put it up for a vote. That is the reason for the executive action they fear so...failure to govern.

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no the executive order to clear up any ambiguity that exists in a law. it is not fiat for King Obama to do what he wants to do. the separation of powers limits him in what he can sign an EO for. changing immigration laws is outside his power. issuing green cards and work permits is outside of his authority. those powers belong to the legislature.

the so called bipartisan bill calls for amnesty for illegals. that won't pass the house. there will be a new immigration bill written so lets see how far Obama goes for that one.

Obama will veto, you can count on it. If Congress passes any of the the garbage that the House has been spewing for 4 years it will go down in flames. It is his Constitutional duty and it will be totally because the Republicans won't work with the President and all will know that.
You should know that the one thing any President won't do is relinquish the power of his office, it would be dangerous to the country.

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Then he will be responsible for a government shutdown if he does.
no it his constitution duty to uphold the laws of the land.

vetoing a budget bill because congress doesn't support your unconstitutional actions is not grounds for a veto. plus it will make him look really bad when he says I had to veto a bill because they won't let me continue my unconstitutional authority. yea that will look really good.

Northern Light said:

Really? You can't figure it out?

The Dems are still right of center so it's not like their policies are that big of a change, but still... they threaten the interests of big businesses. It's advantageous to shut down Congress to serve a few than to keep the spigots running and the nation functional.

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That makes even less sense than the original statement. No disrespect intended, just my opinion of the statement given my experience as a business owner, and a political contributor.

No one is served by a government shutdown, except possibly the politicians that think it's a good idea o try and create leverage over the president. But, even then, I have no idea why they would feel that it was good move. However, that in no way describes what you said in your original post.