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US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

It was precisely the lack of action that allowed ISIS to flourish. And yes, without a sustained and committed presence they will come back. Welcome to vigilance in the war on terror.

Vigilance has to be never ending and involve non-stop funding and commitment of lives and resources of our military. You call it vigilance, I call it a fool's hope.

Lack of action isn't the problem. Just when it seemed reasonably safe we did a calculated troop withdrawal and then bam, suddenly there's a big new bad guy to deal with. If vigilance requires sustaining support resources at current levels or higher indefinitely, our nation will collapse. Look at how the past 10-15 years have affected our country. We simply can't go another 10-15.

It's never ending. We were always in over our heads. That's pride for you.
 
If londoner "Jihadi John" is captured by US forces what should be done to him

shot on the spot

imprisoned for life

given to the syrians

sent to another country for brutal torture for the rest of his existence

execute him on the air in a brutal fashion as retribution for his beheading of US Captives?
 
You refuse to admit the basic reality that each Muslim country that we enter we can never exit or these maggots simply pop up again. Using your stay until the threat is gone plan we will spend ourselves into the ground. Whirled peas is a noble goal but let's have our NATO allies help (including paying for) defend us for a change. This coalition forces nonsense is getting far too expensive, especially when coupled with the required nation building costs.

The Iraq war by numbers - Business Insider

What I am describing would be more like a low level peace keeping mission, but THAT means first defeating the enemy and then committing to helping those nations do the same against these islamists-and THATS who we are talking about, not all muslims or muslim nations. We have a presence in europe and asia after WW2 and Korea to this day, its not the end of the world. This would be no different.
 
Vigilance has to be never ending and involve non-stop funding and commitment of lives and resources of our military. You call it vigilance, I call it a fool's hope.

Lack of action isn't the problem. Just when it seemed reasonably safe we did a calculated troop withdrawal and then bam, suddenly there's a big new bad guy to deal with. If vigilance requires sustaining support resources at current levels or higher indefinitely, our nation will collapse. Look at how the past 10-15 years have affected our country. We simply can't go another 10-15.

It's never ending. We were always in over our heads. That's pride for you.

War is the natural situation of things and people just have to learn to accept it. But because of strong American leadership in the past they seem to think that peace is normal, or that our enemies are simply misunderstood and have a legitimate beef. People who think like that are really unsafe to be around.
 
The very fact is they are DOING something about it. They killed 10 high value targets and wounded several others. Who else in the WORLD right now is acting to stop ISIS?

Its you and people like you.

Obamas response is a day late and a dollar short, he's not acting because he wants to win, he's acting to mitigate headlines-so he can say he's doing something.
 
We'll see how long his engagement works and how the media covers it.

I doubt it will be genuinely fixed until a new President is elected. No world leader can possibly trust the whimsical leadership of Barrack Obama but, I believe, they will respond after 2016. We can hope that minimal harm is done before that time because the Islamists are aware of that date also. The Islamists are, oddly enough, also winning the propaganda wars.

One thing that can't be said-is that its hard to win against Obama.
 
Vigilance has to be never ending and involve non-stop funding and commitment of lives and resources of our military. You call it vigilance, I call it a fool's hope.

Lack of action isn't the problem. Just when it seemed reasonably safe we did a calculated troop withdrawal and then bam, suddenly there's a big new bad guy to deal with. If vigilance requires sustaining support resources at current levels or higher indefinitely, our nation will collapse. Look at how the past 10-15 years have affected our country. We simply can't go another 10-15.

It's never ending. We were always in over our heads. That's pride for you.

Vigilance means this war never was and never will be about punching hitler and ending the war by the time dancing with the stars is on. Ironically there is a fools hope there but not how you appear to think there is.

Lack of action IS action, especially when POTUS was TOLD how this was going to turn out. He pulled out for votes, and lost Iraq to terrorists.

This war is going to take decades, maybe centuries. Get used to it because you are already in it like it or not.
 
For starters his loss of the Iraq war for votes, followed by allowing ISIS to fill the vacuum of our withdrawal, and then his tepid response to ISIS and other groups in Syria and Iraq, followed by his refusal to fight them now in any meaningful way (airstrikes are now and can not be definitive).

You keep regurgitating this lie. Can you tell us who signed the withdrawal agreement after major combat operations were finished? I'll wait. You can start here:

U.S.
 
You keep regurgitating this lie. Can you tell us who signed the withdrawal agreement after major combat operations were finished? I'll wait. You can start here:

U.S.

The withdrawal was pushed forward to 2011 to give GWB's successor a free hand to make his own call. No responsible official believed a complete withdrawal was coming. BHO did that himself. That plus his hesitation in Syria allowed ISIS to come into being.
 
Obamas response is a day late and a dollar short, he's not acting because he wants to win, he's acting to mitigate headlines-so he can say he's doing something.
He IS doing something though...right? Where is the rest of the world? Where is the rest of his party?

All the GOP has to do is declare war. All they have to do is do something MORE or BETTER than what he is doing. What he is doing ALONE.
 
We'll see how long his engagement works and how the media covers it.

I doubt it will be genuinely fixed until a new President is elected. No world leader can possibly trust the whimsical leadership of Barrack Obama but, I believe, they will respond after 2016. We can hope that minimal harm is done before that time because the Islamists are aware of that date also. The Islamists are, oddly enough, also winning the propaganda wars.
Thats just sad that the world leaders dont have the guts to act on their own.
 
The very fact is they are DOING something about it. They killed 10 high value targets and wounded several others. Who else in the WORLD right now is acting to stop ISIS?

Its you and people like you.

What is "you and people like you?" Don't get personal with me.
 
He IS doing something though...right? Where is the rest of the world? Where is the rest of his party?

All the GOP has to do is declare war. All they have to do is do something MORE or BETTER than what he is doing. What he is doing ALONE.

He's doing it a day late and a dollar short, he isn't leading the charge. And he's not doing it alone, there are other nations also participating. That would mean NOT alone.
 
Yawn. :2wave:



That is just so pathetic and sad. We know there were experienced people watching this who knew better, who knew this to be untrue, including the Islamists, but the people bought into it and all that was gained was lost. It is a modern tragedy for sure.
 
He IS doing something though...right? Where is the rest of the world? Where is the rest of his party?

All the GOP has to do is declare war. All they have to do is do something MORE or BETTER than what he is doing. What he is doing ALONE.

He is alone because he won his office by denigrating those who carried the burden before him.
 
Thats just sad that the world leaders dont have the guts to act on their own.
There is that for sure, to the point where they can't even admit who they are fighting. They are even cautious about saying Islamic terrorists.
 
He's doing it a day late and a dollar short, he isn't leading the charge. And he's not doing it alone, there are other nations also participating. That would mean NOT alone.
He has...what...the backing of the mighty Iraqi army? A few Saudis? Where is the rest of the world?

Seriously...I want you to declare, loud and proud, that if he decided to obligate troops in a boots on the ground war, the right wouldnt lose their ****ing mind over it. Go ahead. And forget about the left. They are completely twisted over this whole thing.
 
He is alone because he won his office by denigrating those who carried the burden before him.

He is alone for a lot of reasons and there is no doubt he has made some horrible decisions. Now what?
 
He is alone for a lot of reasons and there is no doubt he has made some horrible decisions. Now what?

If he would be brave enough to concede that US forces on the ground will be necessary then I think he would find willing helpers.
 
What is "you and people like you?" Don't get personal with me.
:lamo

You made a personal connection and observation...and dont want the response to be 'personal'?
 
If he would be brave enough to concede that US forces on the ground will be necessary then I think he would find willing helpers.

Hearken back a year or so ago to the rhetoric regarding Libya...
 
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