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US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

poweRob said:
Tough talk from armchair patriots is not what actually gets anything done. And for those that follow such tough talk as their leadership generally find that they've been mislead due to shallow thinking.
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How are the folks that think like you doing, so far? Not too good, huh?
 
poweRob said:
Tough talk from armchair patriots is not what actually gets anything done. And for those that follow such tough talk as their leadership generally find that they've been mislead due to shallow thinking.
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War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.

William Tecumseh Sherman
 
apdst said:
They have 30,000 fighters. That crowd wouldn't be hard to spot. They're an army. They live as an army and move as an army.

For the umpteenth time: doing nothing isn't going to work.
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They usually are looking and acting like the locals around them. BTW... this false narrative you are providing here has a giant hole in it being that there is a lot of room between bombing everything around, as you 'd like to do, and doing nothing.
 
Jack Hays said:
War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.

William Tecumseh Sherman
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More Jack Hays trying to stand on someone else's shoulders. You and Tecumseh are both FoS. Perhaps you should suit up and dish all that cruelty out then? Or just sit in your armchair and talk tough some more. We both know the latter is where you'll be.
 
poweRob said:
Tough talk from armchair patriots is not what actually gets anything done. And for those that follow such tough talk as their leadership generally find that they've been mislead due to shallow thinking.
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This is how you talk to radical islamists as they steal, rape, and kill their way across the ME. Its very much an international language.

What you think is "shallow thinking" is the reality underneath the veil of civilization. Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, but the fact remains.
 
poweRob said:
More Jack Hays trying to stand on someone else's shoulders. You and Tecumseh are both FoS. Perhaps you should suit up and dish all that cruelty out then? Or just sit in your armchair and talk tough some more. We both know the latter is where you'll be.
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I have already done my dishing and am now in retirement. Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Liberia, Chad, Kosovo, Bosnia, etc.
 
Jack Hays said:
It worked pretty well for Sherman.
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Sherman's work had little or no effect on Lee's march up north. The war was up front in VA, MD and PA. After Atlanta all Sherman did was demoralize people basically not even participating in the war. Lee's ass getting handed to him is what ended that war. Not Sherman burning his way to Savannah.
 
poweRob said:
link? I'd love to read about this.
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Longwarjournal.com has better coverage of the war on Muslim jihadists than anyone. Bill Roggio, Tom Joscelyn, and the others involved there really know their stuff.

The bad part about that attack is that they obviously didn't use enough force to make sure of the job. The two most valuable jihadists at the meeting were only wounded. I don't see any excuse for that. If you know they're all in one bunker, you use big enough bombs, and enough of them, to make sure not a single person there could possibly survive.

If it had been up to the military, I'm sure they would have done that. But I know damn well that in planning an air strike on the number one jihadist in ISIS and the apparent murderer-on-video of several innocent people, including Americans, Barack Obama had the last word. And I strongly suspect the reason the two bigshots lived to murder more people is that he insisted on using too much restraint.

They were under a house in Al Qaim, and someone got overly concerned about civilian casualties. It's always right to be concerned about innocent lives, but never at the expense of letting bastards like these get away. Remember that 40,000 French civilians were killed by the Allies in the course of driving the Germans out of France after D-Day--there just was no other way.
 
US Conservative said:
This is how you talk to radical islamists as they steal, rape, and kill their way across the ME. Its very much an international language.

What you think is "shallow thinking" is the reality underneath the veil of civilization. Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, but the fact remains.
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As I said. Tough talk is usually the veil covering shallow thinkers... and those who are all so willing to send someone else's kid to fulfill all their tough talking BS as they sit back and scream at their TV about how tough they are.
 
poweRob said:
Sherman's work had little or no effect on Lee's march up north. The war was up front in VA, MD and PA. After Atlanta all Sherman did was demoralize people basically not even participating in the war. Lee's ass getting handed to him is what ended that war. Not Sherman burning his way to Savannah.
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Not exactly. Lee's army melted away in the winter of 1864-65 as his soldiers answered their families' letters and deserted to help after Sherman rendered the families destitute. By the time Lee surrendered at Appomattox he only counted 25,000 effectives, and they were starving and low on ammunition.
 
poweRob said:
As I said. Tough talk is usually the veil covering shallow thinkers... and those who are all so willing to send someone else's kid to fulfill all their tough talking BS as they sit back and scream at their TV about how tough they are.
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To be clear, I'd prefer not to have to fight them, but out POTUS very quickly made that impossible, and now he's dragging his feet.

He will put it off as long as he can, and will pass it to the next POTUS if he can. The longer we wait, the harder the fight.
 
poweRob said:
Sherman's work had little or no effect on Lee's march up north. The war was up front in VA, MD and PA. After Atlanta all Sherman did was demoralize people basically not even participating in the war. Lee's ass getting handed to him is what ended that war. Not Sherman burning his way to Savannah.
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I think you may be overstating your case. I've read Grant's memoirs, and that's not how he saw it. He knew very well how much Sherman's invasion of the South was helping to end the war, and was all for it.
 
US Conservative said:
To be clear, I'd prefer not to have to fight them, but out POTUS very quickly made that impossible, and now he's dragging his feet.

He will put it off as long as he can, and will pass it to the next POTUS if he can. The longer we wait, the harder the fight.
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He's not dragging his feet. His bombing the crap out of them. War is on the congress' plate. If you can take off your partisan pants once in a while you could see this.
 
poweRob said:
He's not dragging his feet. His bombing the crap out of them. War is on the congress' plate. If you can take off your partisan pants once in a while you could see this.
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No, no one is bombing the crap out of anyone. There is no true air campaign.
 
matchlight said:
I think you may be overstating your case. I've read Grant's memoirs, and that's not how he saw it. He knew very well how much Sherman's invasion of the South was helping to end the war, and was all for it.
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Grant and Sherman were super tight. I'm not going to say it didn't have any effect on the war but the path for the South's loss was laid out long before the Georgia campaign. The north's factories were starting to churn out repeater rifles vs the south's weaponry which was mostly hunting weapons aka... short ranged shotguns and muzzle loaders. Not to mention that the South had thrown in their whole lot in the war with regards to men and the North still had people not involved and still had colleges with a rather full attendance.

Sherman would've done better having after Atlanta, turned North and closed in on any attempts of a Lee retreat Southward rather than terrorizing and looting civilian domain.
 
US Conservative said:
Not true, Maliki would have granted it. The problem was not giving up immunity, it was getting approval from the Iraqi legislature because they were unhappy with Maliki.

Witness the rapidity with which a SOFA was reached when ISIS began to expand.

Obama lost the peace, Kobie. He has blood on his hands.
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Okay man. Your steadfast denial is duly noted. I should start calling you Baghdad Bob from now on.
 
poweRob said:
Grant and Sherman were super tight. I'm not going to say it didn't have any effect on the war but the path for the South's loss was laid out long before the Georgia campaign. The north's factories were starting to churn out repeater rifles vs the south's weaponry which was mostly hunting weapons aka... short ranged shotguns and muzzle loaders. Not to mention that the South had thrown in their whole lot in the war with regards to men and the North still had people not involved and still had colleges with a rather full attendance.

Sherman would've done better having after Atlanta, turned North and closed in on any attempts of a Lee retreat Southward rather than terrorizing and looting civilian domain.
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Your ignorance of our Civil War is striking. Sherman's objective after Savannah was destruction in South Carolina and North Carolina as he marched north to link up with Grant and trap Lee.
 
Jack Hays said:
No, no one is bombing the crap out of anyone. There is no true air campaign.
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What does congress... the people in charge of going to war have to say? You know, that part of government that the Republicans own? Other than it's Obama's fault of course.
 
poweRob said:
What does congress... the people in charge of going to war have to say. You know, that part of government that the Republicans own?
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We shall see, although the half-hearted effort thus far provides little for anyone to rally around.
 
Jack Hays said:
Your ignorance of our Civil War is striking. Sherman's objective after Savannah was destruction in South Carolina and North Carolina as he marched north to link up with Grant and trap Lee.
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I guess you didn't read what I said after having quoted it. No surprise from you there. I said AFTER Atlanta then heading North. The time from Atlanta to Savannah was pointless. Soo.... perhaps you should read someone's post before quoting and responding to it.
 
Jack Hays said:
We shall see, although the half-hearted effort thus far provides little for anyone to rally around.
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Half hearted huh? How about you suit up tough guy?
 
poweRob said:
I guess you didn't read what I said after having quoted it. No surprise from you there. I said AFTER Atlanta then heading North. The time from Atlanta to Savannah was pointless. Soo.... perhaps you should read someone's post before quoting and responding to it.
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The March from Atlanta to Savannah was strategically critical. Aside from crushing Confederate morale and destroying the Georgia economy, possession of Savannah created a new logistics base (access to northern shipping) for the drive north.
 
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