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Stupidity of the American Voter?

AJiveMan said:
You've said nothing about repuglicons who voted Obama in 2008, were those black repuglicons that bought it too?
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No conservative would have ever voted for Obama, only liberal Republicans who in my opinion aren't much better than Democrats. What you cannot seem to understand is that Obama got 52% of the vote and his JAR is now around 41% meaning he has lost 11% of his support. Why? Keep believing the rhetoric and ignoring the results.
 
AJiveMan said:
The ACA was modeled upon repuglicon ideas, I'll bet you didn't know that did you?



Obama health-care law modeled on Romney plan - politics - Decision 2012 | NBC News

I'm guessing now that cons believe Romoney was a lib? you know, one of them there RINO's?

But that's still no excuse for cons to be saying naughty things about American voters.
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Let me guess, you have no concept of states' rights and responsibilities? Romneycare is a state issue not a federal issue. One size fits all liberals never have understood individual state cost of living, responsibilities, and demographics. The people of MA supported Romneycare, the people of the Country have spoken on Obamacare
 
j-mac said:
You haven't, and probably never will...That' the problem...;)
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No, not being a hack who goes all liberals or all conservatives, and exaggerating things is a good thing. So, I'm pleased not to be the one doing that. Now, do we keep this up or is there anything of substance you have?
 
AJiveMan said:
The ACA was modeled upon repuglicon ideas, I'll bet you didn't know that did you?



Obama health-care law modeled on Romney plan - politics - Decision 2012 | NBC News

I'm guessing now that cons believe Romoney was a lib? you know, one of them there RINO's?

But that's still no excuse for cons to be saying naughty things about American voters.
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The Massachusetts Healthcare Law was two things:

1. Dreamed up by and pushed through by the 80%+ Democratically controlled legislature in MA, and signed into law by the Governor named Mitt Romney - it wasn't his idea
2. Intended only for the state of Massachusetts and not the rest of us

By the way, it did something else too....failed to bring down costs in the state. MA has and continues to have the highest healthcare costs in this country. But, like the ACA, it's a neat old entitlement program.
 
AJiveMan said:
The ACA was modeled upon repuglicon ideas, I'll bet you didn't know that did you?



Obama health-care law modeled on Romney plan - politics - Decision 2012 | NBC News

I'm guessing now that cons believe Romoney was a lib? you know, one of them there RINO's?

But that's still no excuse for cons to be saying naughty things about American voters.
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You mean the plan that wouldn't have worked if Massachusetts hadn't ripped off the American Government for 400. Million dollars a year ?

And name one GOP Politician that voted for the ACA.
 
Conservative said:
No conservative would have ever voted for Obama, only liberal Republicans who in my opinion aren't much better than Democrats. What you cannot seem to understand is that Obama got 52% of the vote and his JAR is now around 41% meaning he has lost 11% of his support. Why? Keep believing the rhetoric and ignoring the results.
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Oh, what was dubya's jar running @ about the same time in office, how about Raygun and Boosh 41?

Liburul republicons? now that's a hoot. thanks for my daily laugh. :lamo
 
Conservative said:
Let me guess, you have no concept of states' rights and responsibilities? Romneycare is a state issue not a federal issue. One size fits all liberals never have understood individual state cost of living, responsibilities, and demographics. The people of MA supported Romneycare, the people of the Country have spoken on Obamacare
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Let me guess, you have no concept of how the ACA was modeled by your own party.
 
AJiveMan said:
Let me guess, you have no concept of how the ACA was modeled by your own party.
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you apparently do not understand the difference between state governments and their 10A powers and limits of a federal government which was given enumerated powers
 
tres borrachos said:
The Massachusetts Healthcare Law was two things:

1. Dreamed up by and pushed through by the 80%+ Democratically controlled legislature in MA, and signed into law by the Governor named Mitt Romney - it wasn't his idea
2. Intended only for the state of Massachusetts and not the rest of us

By the way, it did something else too....failed to bring down costs in the state. MA has and continues to have the highest healthcare costs in this country. But, like the ACA, it's a neat old entitlement program.
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Exactly. The point of Federalism is that the states can experiment with their own methods of providing essential government services and the rest of the country can learn from the success and failures of the state experiments. What Obamacare did was essentially take a troubled experiment and applied it to every state.
 
Fenton said:
You mean the plan that wouldn't have worked if Massachusetts hadn't ripped off the American Government for 400. Million dollars a year ?

And name one GOP Politician that voted for the ACA.
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Probably about the same amount who voted for the Social Security Act of 1935.

If you remember correctly, The Supreme Court ruling affirmed the constitutionality of the ACA.

So, basically, it is law, and there isn't anything whining repuglicans can do about it, and it's time to move onto other things, like making improvements to it instead of acting like a bunch of grade school babies running home crying to dad with the football after forfeiting the game.
 
TurtleDude said:
you apparently do not understand the difference between state governments and their 10A powers and limits of a federal government which was given enumerated powers
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Apparently you dislike anything the SCOTUS rules on.

ObamaCare Supreme Court Ruling UPHOLDS Health Care Reform
The decision on the ObamaCare ruling by the Supreme Court on National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius was decided on June 28, 2012. The Supreme Court ObamaCare ruling was a 5-4 ruling to uphold the Affordable Care Act. The final Ruling on ObamaCare had a few implications ranging from ObamaCare being defined as a tax and not a mandate and a choice for States to Opt-Out of Medicaid Expansion.
 
AJiveMan said:
Apparently you dislike anything the SCOTUS rules on.

ObamaCare Supreme Court Ruling UPHOLDS Health Care Reform
The decision on the ObamaCare ruling by the Supreme Court on National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius was decided on June 28, 2012. The Supreme Court ObamaCare ruling was a 5-4 ruling to uphold the Affordable Care Act. The final Ruling on ObamaCare had a few implications ranging from ObamaCare being defined as a tax and not a mandate and a choice for States to Opt-Out of Medicaid Expansion.
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I actually understand the ruling

the Democrat position of the commerce clause was rejected by five justices. Roberts concurred on the taxation ground-something your exalted leader screamed to high heaven obama care was not
 
AJiveMan said:
Oh, what was dubya's jar running @ about the same time in office, how about Raygun and Boosh 41?

Liburul republicons? now that's a hoot. thanks for my daily laugh. :lamo
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No problem, man, it is hard to change a liberal's mind on any issue even by posting data and facts. All you show is the media is able to spin the message and you buy it. Tell the 20 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers TODAY how good the Obama economy is? Think they are benefiting from the high stock market? How about the African Americans Obama said he would help and their high unemployment? Keep buying the rhetoric as it makes you look and sound brilliant
 
AJiveMan said:
Let me guess, you have no concept of how the ACA was modeled by your own party.
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And do you know the difference between a state program and a federal one size fits all program? Obviously not and obviously Gruber got it right
 
AJiveMan said:
Probably about the same amount who voted for the Social Security Act of 1935.

If you remember correctly, The Supreme Court ruling affirmed the constitutionality of the ACA.

So, basically, it is law, and there isn't anything whining repuglicans can do about it, and it's time to move onto other things, like making improvements to it instead of acting like a bunch of grade school babies running home crying to dad with the football after forfeiting the game.
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Wow, who do you think Gruber was talking about in his infamous statement?
 
AJiveMan said:
Oh, what was dubya's jar running @ about the same time in office, how about Raygun and Boosh 41?

Liburul republicons? now that's a hoot. thanks for my daily laugh. :lamo
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Another Hillbilly who can't spell. It seems Gruber sugar-coated the facts.
 
Grant said:
Did you know that every Republican voted against the ACA?
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That was due to the oppose Obama no matter what mandate. But it had republican ideas in it.
 
Boo Radley said:
That was due to the oppose Obama no matter what mandate. But it had republican ideas in it.
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Statements like yours continue to show the problem. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you who believes they know what motivates everyone else and what everyone else believes?

You don't get it and never will but HEALTHCARE IS A PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND BEST HANDLED AT THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL It isn't a national issue and never will be even though big govt. liberals like you want it to be. Big govt. liberals like you have now made the debt service the 4th largest budget item and soon to be in the top two. That is total ignorance
 
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Conservative said:
Statements like yours continue to show the problem. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you who believes they know what motivates everyone else and what everyone else believes?

You don't get it and never will but HEALTHCARE IS A PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND BEST HANDLED AT THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL It isn't a national issue and never will be even though big govt. liberals like you want it to be. Big govt. liberals like you have now made the debt service the 4th largest budget item and soon to be in the top two. That is total ignorance
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Two things:
1) your response has nothing to do with what I said.
2) healthcare is a community problem and we can use government to handle large community problems like healthcare.
 
Grant said:
So despite no Republicans voting in favor of Obamacare you think they were somehow responsible for it?
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I only state a fact, it was there ideas used. It's only a fact. Do with it what you choose.
 
Boo Radley said:
I only state a fact, it was there ideas used. It's only a fact. Do with it what you choose.
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So the democrats used ideas that had been rejected by Republicans? That certainly doesn't say much for Democrats and only serves to underline Gruber's contention about the Stupids.
 
Grant said:
Did you know that every Republican voted against the ACA?
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Yes.

why did it pass? because Democrats had the majority.

and later.

In the SCOTUS ruling, the vote was 5 to 4 in favor of upholding the act.

5 to 4 is a majority.

Yes, here is a brief history of how the GOP favored and were for insuring all Americans before they were against the ACA.

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this is an excerpt of facts, you'll notice that both parties have longed for health care coverage for all Americans, and this battle didn't begin with Obama's years in the White House either, this has been going on for quite some time.

The 1993 Republican alternative, introduced by Senator John Chafee as the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act, contained a "universal coverage" requirement with a penalty for noncompliance—an individual mandate—as well as subsidies to be used in state-based 'purchasing groups'.[54] Advocates for the 1993 bill included prominent Republicans who today oppose a mandate,
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Here is a brief history of how the Social Security Act of 1935 was signed into law, or passage of the law. Note that repugs were in the minority at that time, and had a minority when the ACA was signed into law. The 74th. congress.

74th United States Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


anyone who knows anything about civics and how our government works knows that when either party has a majority, or controls the congress, the majority rules.
 
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