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Stupidity of the American Voter?

Boo Radley said:
You're trying to have it both ways. So, you don't really believe what you say. If you did, you'd respond like you did.
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No, unlike you I understand the American economy and the effects that govt. policies have on that economy and personal income. You on the other hand are a big govt. liberal totally ignoring what happens when people are giving incentive and when that incentive is taken away by govt. policies. Obama said he had the answers. you bought the rhetoric and now don't want to blame him for the very poor results. It is the American business that is succeeding after years of Obamanomics because of survival requirements. One of these days you are going to get it, hopefully not too late
 
Conservative said:
No, unlike you I understand the American economy and the effects that govt. policies have on that economy and personal income. You on the other hand are a big govt. liberal totally ignoring what happens when people are giving incentive and when that incentive is taken away by govt. policies. Obama said he had the answers. you bought the rhetoric and now don't want to blame him for the very poor results. It is the American business that is succeeding after years of Obamanomics because of survival requirements. One of these days you are going to get it, hopefully not too late
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No you don't. If you did, you wouldn't make these silly arguments.
 
AJiveMan said:
Have cons not been saying that Obama voters have been useful idiots for the past 6+ years?

I rest my case.

Black pots, meet black kettles.
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Yes, conservatives looked at the Obama resume and saw an empty suit. The liberal base listened to the Obama rhetoric and bought it getting exactly what that resume showed, an empty suit. Blacks are worse off today because of Obama and still support him for the color of his skin certainly not for policies that benefited the blacks.
 
Boo Radley said:
No you don't. If you did, you wouldn't make these silly arguments.
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Sorry but I will put my resume up against yours any day of the week and from what I have seen my knowledge of the U.S. economy and how business works. You live in a liberal dream world of equal outcome not equal opportunity. Too bad you don't apply your own personal economics to your logic and arguments
 
This is quite entertaining. Trey Growdy directs a few questions to Mr. Gruber during the hearing. In case some are not aware many of the "telling" remarks Gruber made and caught on video were done before his students in his economics class at MIT others at conferences. The Democrats dropped his name often to sell Obamacare and now some don't remember who he is.

 
vesper said:
This is quite entertaining. Trey Growdy directs a few questions to Mr. Gruber during the hearing. In case some are not aware many of the "telling" remarks Gruber made and caught on video were done before his students in his economics class at MIT others at conferences. The Democrats dropped his name often to sell Obamacare and now some don't remember who he is.

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I'll have to watch that from hubby's computer. Is it good? I love Trey.

Gruber seems to be persona non grada with the Democrats who have conveniently developed amnesia about his existence.
 
Boo Radley said:
Slogans are popular in politics, as are platitudes. Both sides do it. It's not unique to Obama. And no one said it was counter revolutionary and no one said they wanted a counter revolution. Do you even know when you're talking to another person or not?
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Oh, the standard 'all politicians do it' argument, a banal observation all Obamites use when there man is caught in another lie.
 
vesper said:
This is quite entertaining. Trey Growdy directs a few questions to Mr. Gruber during the hearing. In case some are not aware many of the "telling" remarks Gruber made and caught on video were done before his students in his economics class at MIT others at conferences. The Democrats dropped his name often to sell Obamacare and now some don't remember who he is.

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True liberal democrats have very selective memories and distance themselves often from those they don't want to hear yet no liberal democrat will ever change their spots or grow up from the very poor results and policies of liberalism
 
tres borrachos said:
I'll have to watch that from hubby's computer. Is it good? I love Trey.

Gruber seems to be persona non grada with the Democrats who have conveniently developed amnesia about his existence.
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Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:

I personally feel we owe this idiot a big Thank You! Because he has such an overwheening ego that he couldn't help running his mouth, we learned things we never would have heard from anyone else about how this was handled from the beginning. :applaud: I would also like to have Pelosi and others subpoenaed to explain why they thought this was the best way to treat the American people! Her giddy "we have to pass it to see what's in it" when she knew damn well what was in it is disgusting! :2mad:
 
Conservative said:
Sorry but I will put my resume up against yours any day of the week and from what I have seen my knowledge of the U.S. economy and how business works. You live in a liberal dream world of equal outcome not equal opportunity. Too bad you don't apply your own personal economics to your logic and arguments
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You'd lose.
 
Grant said:
Oh, the standard 'all politicians do it' argument, a banal observation all Obamites use when there man is caught in another lie.
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No, but one shouldn't rail against one person or party over things they all do. If you want to say it's wrong for all of them, I agree. Put yourself on record. Speak to them all and not just the party or person you dislike.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:

I personally feel we owe this idiot a big Thank You! Because he has such an overwheening ego that he couldn't help running his mouth, we learned things we never would have heard from anyone else about how this was handled from the beginning. :applaud: I would also like to have Pelosi and others subpoenaed to explain why they thought this was the best way to treat the American people! Her giddy "we have to pass it to see what's in it" when she knew damn well what was in it is disgusting! :2mad:
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Hello Pol! I agree with you completely.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, but one shouldn't rail against one person or party over things they all do. If you want to say it's wrong for all of them, I agree. Put yourself on record. Speak to them all and not just the party or person you dislike.
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Well, now there sounds like a good bit of advice you yourself should follow.
 
Conservative said:
ObamaCare architect says lack of transparency helped law pass, cites 'stupidity of the American voter' | Fox News

Based upon the last election looks to me like the American voter is waking up. Wonder why he still has a 41% JAR
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Perhaps because.....

"I sincerely apologize both for conjecturing with a tone of expertise and for doing so in such a disparaging fashion," Gruber added. "It is never appropriate to try to make oneself seem more important or smarter by demeaning others. I know better. I knew better. I am embarrassed, and I am sorry."

While Gruber has previously described himself as an "architect" of Obamacare, he sharply denied the label on Tuesday, arguing that his role in the legislation has been inflated in the past. <snip>

Jonathan Gruber: 'I am embarrassed, and I am sorry' - CNN.com

So much for the wind in those wings.

Sometime's I think we live in a "National Enquirer," styled information world. What I'd give for the day when there was only 30 minutes worth of news a day. And that included sports and weather. And it mattered not which channel you watched it on. It was all the same. Just matter-of-factly news. Remember that seal of good broadcasting seal that came on right before the television would shut down?

Some people ate it up. Some people remained skeptical. Some people really could have cared less. For tomorrow, it will be in yesterday's news cycle. As today's will, tomorrow.

But there's always.....

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Maybe American's are stupid. I dunno.
 
Captain America said:
Perhaps because.....

"I sincerely apologize both for conjecturing with a tone of expertise and for doing so in such a disparaging fashion," Gruber added. "It is never appropriate to try to make oneself seem more important or smarter by demeaning others. I know better. I knew better. I am embarrassed, and I am sorry."

While Gruber has previously described himself as an "architect" of Obamacare, he sharply denied the label on Tuesday, arguing that his role in the legislation has been inflated in the past. <snip>

Jonathan Gruber: 'I am embarrassed, and I am sorry' - CNN.com

So much for the wind in those wings.

Sometime's I think we live in a "National Enquirer," styled information world. What I'd give for the day when there was only 30 minutes worth of news a day. And that included sports and weather. And it mattered not which channel you watched it on. It was all the same. Just matter-of-factly news. Remember that seal of good broadcasting seal that came on right before the television would shut down?

Some people ate it up. Some people remained skeptical. Some people really could have cared less. For tomorrow, it will be in yesterday's news cycle. As today's will, tomorrow.

But there's always.....

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Maybe American's are stupid. I dunno.
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Amazing how the left willingly accepts the apology and ignores previous comments about writing parts of Obamacare and accepting taxpayer money for doing just that. I actually think that liberals do play on the ignorance of their base and continue to be rewarded in many states for that ignorance. Results don't matter, certain rhetoric does especially rhetoric that can be ignored

Watch Obamacare Architect Jonathan Gruber Admit in 2012 That Subsidies Were Limited to State-Run Exchanges (Updated With Another Admission) - Hit & Run : Reason.com
 
AJiveMan said:
Have cons not been saying that Obama voters have been useful idiots for the past 6+ years?

I rest my case.

Black pots, meet black kettles.
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But Gruber was referring to the Obama voters.

Conservatives knew before the ACA was signed into law that it was being sold on a pack of lies by a Political party that's about as trust worthy as your average Crack addict.

We knew it wouldn't lower premiums or lower deductibles and that it wouldn't be " deficit neutral "

We knew we wouldn't be able to " keep our doctors " and we knew this law wouldn't be AFFORDABLE.

We already knew the Tax Increases would be passed onto the Consumers.

President Obama started his Presidency by lying to the faces of the people that elected him.

Those that didn't elect him watched his lies and just pointed out the obvious. That he wasn't a leader, a qualified candidate or even a man with integrity.

He was a Left wing hack elitist who like Gruber, looked down on the average American citizen.

Amd he never stopped. He's been piling lie on top of loes trying to cover his tracks.
 
Captain America said:
Perhaps because.....

"I sincerely apologize both for conjecturing with a tone of expertise and for doing so in such a disparaging fashion," Gruber added. "It is never appropriate to try to make oneself seem more important or smarter by demeaning others. I know better. I knew better. I am embarrassed, and I am sorry."

While Gruber has previously described himself as an "architect" of Obamacare, he sharply denied the label on Tuesday, arguing that his role in the legislation has been inflated in the past. <snip>

Jonathan Gruber: 'I am embarrassed, and I am sorry' - CNN.com

So much for the wind in those wings.

Sometime's I think we live in a "National Enquirer," styled information world. What I'd give for the day when there was only 30 minutes worth of news a day. And that included sports and weather. And it mattered not which channel you watched it on. It was all the same. Just matter-of-factly news. Remember that seal of good broadcasting seal that came on right before the television would shut down?

Some people ate it up. Some people remained skeptical. Some people really could have cared less. For tomorrow, it will be in yesterday's news cycle. As today's will, tomorrow.

But there's always.....

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Maybe American's are stupid. I dunno.
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Americans ARE stupid if they believe the LIES he told today in a attempt to try and cover up for his honesty.

He was correct when he said the tax increase on Cadillac plans was sold by telling Americans that it would be on the Insurance industry.

He was also correct when he said those tax increases would be passed onto the Consumer.

He was correct when he initially said it was written in a tortured way to manipulate the CBOs scoring and he was correct when he said it was sold on a pack of lies.

He's not sorry for what he said, he's sorry for getting caught.

Does his BS testimony now mean that Obama didn't lie about keeping your plan and doctor ?

Does him covering his ass by lying in front of Congress now mean that our premiums are going to drop by 2500 dollars ?

I could care less what Gruber thinks about the American voter. He's a Liberal elitist.

Of-course they think we're all idiots.

But this is more than just a ObamaCare architect getting caught with his foot in his mouth. This Law is horrible, its a economy killer that removes more and more discretionary income out if the pockets of Mlions of Americans who're already struggling to make ends meet.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, but one shouldn't rail against one person or party over things they all do. If you want to say it's wrong for all of them, I agree. Put yourself on record. Speak to them all and not just the party or person you dislike.
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So your plan is to complain about all politicians because they are all he same. That's great. I'll be looking forward to reading your posts..
 
Grant said:
So your plan is to complain about all politicians because they are all he same. That's great. I'll be looking forward to reading your posts..
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Nope. But it's not my plan to pretend that only one politician or party does it. I prefer to debat actual issues with factual information and not silliness.
 
Fenton said:
Americans ARE stupid if they believe the LIES he told today in a attempt to try and cover up for his honesty.

He was correct when he said the tax increase on Cadillac plans was sold by telling Americans that it would be on the Insurance industry.

He was also correct when he said those tax increases would be passed onto the Consumer.

He was correct when he initially said it was written in a tortured way to manipulate the CBOs scoring and he was correct when he said it was sold on a pack of lies.

He's not sorry for what he said, he's sorry for getting caught.

Does his BS testimony now mean that Obama didn't lie about keeping your plan and doctor ?

Does him covering his ass by lying in front of Congress now mean that our premiums are going to drop by 2500 dollars ?

I could care less what Gruber thinks about the American voter. He's a Liberal elitist.

Of-course they think we're all idiots.

But this is more than just a ObamaCare architect getting caught with his foot in his mouth. This Law is horrible, its a economy killer that removes more and more discretionary income out if the pockets of Mlions of Americans who're already struggling to make ends meet.
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Barrack Obama's contempt for the American public has always been evident and verified again by his following the same line as Gruber (you can keep your doctor, plane, it's cheaper, etc.) and his claim that Americans cling to religion and guns and are frightened of anyone different from themselves. Ironically, he could have been referring to his own supporters.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, conservatives looked at the Obama resume and saw an empty suit. The liberal base listened to the Obama rhetoric and bought it getting exactly what that resume showed, an empty suit. Blacks are worse off today because of Obama and still support him for the color of his skin certainly not for policies that benefited the blacks.
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You've said nothing about repuglicons who voted Obama in 2008, were those black repuglicons that bought it too?
 
Fenton said:
But Gruber was referring to the Obama voters.

Conservatives knew before the ACA was signed into law that it was being sold on a pack of lies by a Political party that's about as trust worthy as your average Crack addict.

We knew it wouldn't lower premiums or lower deductibles and that it wouldn't be " deficit neutral "

We knew we wouldn't be able to " keep our doctors " and we knew this law wouldn't be AFFORDABLE.

We already knew the Tax Increases would be passed onto the Consumers.

President Obama started his Presidency by lying to the faces of the people that elected him.

Those that didn't elect him watched his lies and just pointed out the obvious. That he wasn't a leader, a qualified candidate or even a man with integrity.

He was a Left wing hack elitist who like Gruber, looked down on the average American citizen.

Amd he never stopped. He's been piling lie on top of loes trying to cover his tracks.
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The ACA was modeled upon repuglicon ideas, I'll bet you didn't know that did you?

Newly obtained White House records provide fresh details on how senior Obama administration officials used Mitt Romney’s landmark health-care law in Massachusetts as a model for the new federal law, including recruiting some of Romney’s own health care advisers and experts to help craft the act now derided by Republicans as “Obamacare.”
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The records, gleaned from White House visitor logs reviewed by NBC News, show that senior White House officials had a dozen meetings in 2009 with three health-care advisers and experts who helped shape the health care reform law signed by Romney in 2006, when the Republican presidential candidate was governor of Massachusetts. One of those meetings, on July 20, 2009, was in the Oval Office and presided over by President Barack Obama, the records show.
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Obama health-care law modeled on Romney plan - politics - Decision 2012 | NBC News

I'm guessing now that cons believe Romoney was a lib? you know, one of them there RINO's?

But that's still no excuse for cons to be saying naughty things about American voters.
 
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