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Stupidity of the American Voter?

Boo Radley said:
Actually costs are flat. For about 29% of us they've decreased according to the link I gave you earlier. But as the reform still keeps insurance linked to employment, ACA did not solve this problem. And no one says anyone is obligated to do anything, so yes, that third world worker making next to nothing, not getting health care, working in unsafe working conditions is real appealing, and you want America to look more like them? Really?
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Do I? No...But progressives like you, and Obama seem hell bent on making that a reality.

The point is that other issue lead to them leaving over taxes, and much of it is a matter of greed over what is best for all. They are free to that, and I have not said they aren't. But they are not to be praised or appeased for not having foresight. In the end, lower wages will hurt them more than help. Remember, someone has to buy the ****.
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Ah yes...Greeeeeeeeed!!!! Tell me Joe, did you leave your job teaching, and go into your own business developing apps for free?
 
j-mac said:
Do I? No...But progressives like you, and Obama seem hell bent on making that a reality.
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No, we're working for safer conditions and healthcare.


Ah yes...Greeeeeeeeed!!!! Tell me Joe, did you leave your job teaching, and go into your own business developing apps for free?
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I do both. And no one said anything about for free, so don't try that fallacious trick.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, we're working for safer conditions and healthcare.
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No you're not...That is just the guise you shroud yourself in...but keep telling yourself that, you're the only one buying what you say.

I do both. And no one said anything about for free, so don't try that fallacious trick.
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oh Please...:roll: Ok, so why did you start developing apps? As a son who grew up with a father that built, and ran his own Pharmacy, it takes a literal **** load of work to makes even a single store front work...I saw impossibly long hours, few vacations, and stress. The payoff for that was in making more than the employees he employed. Without that who would go into the gauntlet we know as small business? Who would take the risk? And don't delude yourself into thinking that altruistic motives would ensure the same level of innovation, and economic engine, it won't, there are examples of how that fails...

My question to you, is how can you get so behind such a failing thought process as liberalism? What drives you to believe that policies that have been huge failures are only due to you not being able to do enough of them?
 
Bob N said:
Typically, just about every party does bad in the mud-term elections.
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Hey Bob...Isn't it funny how regardless of party, we could hear about the same type of answer from the party in power? Hell, I remember in '06 saying nearly the same thing defending the Bush administration against a demo take over of congress...Typically you're right, especially in the second mid term of a President's tenure. However, what I see out there is a real disappointment, disgust, and remorse for re electing this liar we have in there right now....You'd expect the opposing party to want to hamper the sitting President of an opposing party, especially one that is so dishonest, and unwilling to work with them on anything, but it isn't just reps that ousted demo's this last election.

When Obama made statements like "Make no mistake, my policies are on the ballot".... He sealed demo's fate. Republicans turned out, and demo's stayed home....You tell me why?
 
j-mac said:
When Obama made statements like "Make no mistake, my policies are on the ballot".... He sealed demo's fate. Republicans turned out, and demo's stayed home....You tell me why?
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Well, no matter what political power you have in the White House those mid-terms hurt them.

Yet it's not all those Presidents' fault that this occurs. Most of the blame can be placed on the lawmaking branch (no matter which political side.) that cares more about polls and their special interests than actually serving their constituents that starts the process of hurting the country. :shrug:
 
Boo Radley said:
Its not that hard. Say we go back and pay what we paid in the past, accounting for inflation. Wouldn't that be fair?
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Again, you want to define what is fair and that is only up to the individual. If someone thinks they aren't being paid a fair wage, they are free to move on. Care to define what a fair wage is for a 16-18 year old individual living at home with their parents with no rent, no insurance, no outside personal expenses?

You judge everyone by your own standards never taking into account not everyone has your standards.
 
Bob N said:
Well, no matter what political power you have in the White House those mid-terms hurt them.

Yet it's not all those Presidents' fault that this occurs. Most of the blame can be placed on the lawmaking branch (no matter which political side.) that cares more about polls and their special interests than actually serving their constituents that starts the process of hurting the country. :shrug:
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Yeah, the senate has the approval rating of bubonic plague, yet we're supposed to believe this line about the mid terms being a referendum on the president?

Yet this too often goes hand in hand with the stupidity of the voters, since incumbents usually win, no matter how senile or how harmful their voting record.
 
chromium said:
Yeah, the senate has the approval rating of bubonic plague, yet we're supposed to believe this line about the mid terms being a referendum on the president?

Yet this too often goes hand in hand with the stupidity of the voters, since incumbents usually win, no matter how senile or how harmful their voting record.
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IMO: the whole Congress has just about as much approval.
 
Bob N said:
Well, no matter what political power you have in the White House those mid-terms hurt them.

Yet it's not all those Presidents' fault that this occurs. Most of the blame can be placed on the lawmaking branch (no matter which political side.) that cares more about polls and their special interests than actually serving their constituents that starts the process of hurting the country. :shrug:
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Very true Bob.
 
Well, i agree with him, in something. We really have huge percent of "stupid" voters, also, they are easy-manipulated voters. Mass media junkies, people which trust everything they saw on tv\radio\internet, this people don't have their own opinion and they will vote for any person which will give them few bucks, or promise to them beautiful life.
 
j-mac said:
No you're not...That is just the guise you shroud yourself in...but keep telling yourself that, you're the only one buying what you say.
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Yes, yes we are. But present actual evidence.


oh Please...:roll: Ok, so why did you start developing apps? As a son who grew up with a father that built, and ran his own Pharmacy, it takes a literal **** load of work to makes even a single store front work...I saw impossibly long hours, few vacations, and stress. The payoff for that was in making more than the employees he employed. Without that who would go into the gauntlet we know as small business? Who would take the risk? And don't delude yourself into thinking that altruistic motives would ensure the same level of innovation, and economic engine, it won't, there are examples of how that fails...

My question to you, is how can you get so behind such a failing thought process as liberalism? What drives you to believe that policies that have been huge failures are only due to you not being able to do enough of them?
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Again, no one said I do it for free. I work long hours. I do all of that. And liberalism hasn't hurt me at all. The trouble is that you have drank the koolaid and cannot see beyond the hyperbolic garbage you've been feed. Liberalism is not more failed than conservatism. Both have helped and hurt businesses, but neither enough to warrant the vile vomit we see on these pages. There is a reason I go all conservatives are fascists and the like. It would be just as wrong as what your side here does all the time. And yes, some here do it against conservatives. Both sides get too caught up on my team versus yours and fail to see how alike they both are. In fact, they are more alike than different.

But you go ahead and drink the koolaid, buy the exaggerations, swallow it whole, because in the end, it only hurts you.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, yes we are. But present actual evidence.




Again, no one said I do it for free. I work long hours. I do all of that. And liberalism hasn't hurt me at all. The trouble is that you have drank the koolaid and cannot see beyond the hyperbolic garbage you've been feed. Liberalism is not more failed than conservatism. Both have helped and hurt businesses, but neither enough to warrant the vile vomit we see on these pages. There is a reason I go all conservatives are fascists and the like. It would be just as wrong as what your side here does all the time. And yes, some here do it against conservatives. Both sides get too caught up on my team versus yours and fail to see how alike they both are. In fact, they are more alike than different.

But you go ahead and drink the koolaid, buy the exaggerations, swallow it whole, because in the end, it only hurts you.
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Sorry, Boo, but the real garbage comes from people who think only with their hearts and not their brains especially those who define what is fair based upon their own values and perceptions. Liberals like you always feel rather than think especially when it comes to social issues.
 
Conservative said:
Again, you want to define what is fair and that is only up to the individual. If someone thinks they aren't being paid a fair wage, they are free to move on. Care to define what a fair wage is for a 16-18 year old individual living at home with their parents with no rent, no insurance, no outside personal expenses?

You judge everyone by your own standards never taking into account not everyone has your standards.
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Not true. We can as a people decide on some issues and what is fair. And it can apply to 16-18 year olds as well as adults (it's also factually incorrect that adults aren't doing these jobs). Fair is fair.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not true. We can as a people decide on some issues and what is fair. And it can apply to 16-18 year olds as well as adults (it's also factually incorrect that adults aren't doing these jobs). Fair is fair.
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Love the liberal slogans, fair is fair yet people like you always define fair by your own standards. It is liberal arrogance that creates people who believe they know the finances of others thus what is fair for others. That is why we have the mess we have today because people like you defining what is fair without all the economic facts.
 
Conservative said:
Love the liberal slogans, fair is fair yet people like you always define fair by your own standards. It is liberal arrogance that creates people who believe they know the finances of others thus what is fair for others. That is why we have the mess we have today because people like you defining what is fair without all the economic facts.
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I've said we can decide, meaning all of us and not just liberals. And these decisions have real consequences to actual workers, people we should encourage to keep working.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, yes we are. But present actual evidence.




Again, no one said I do it for free. I work long hours. I do all of that. And liberalism hasn't hurt me at all. The trouble is that you have drank the koolaid and cannot see beyond the hyperbolic garbage you've been feed. Liberalism is not more failed than conservatism. Both have helped and hurt businesses, but neither enough to warrant the vile vomit we see on these pages. There is a reason I go all conservatives are fascists and the like. It would be just as wrong as what your side here does all the time. And yes, some here do it against conservatives. Both sides get too caught up on my team versus yours and fail to see how alike they both are. In fact, they are more alike than different.

But you go ahead and drink the koolaid, buy the exaggerations, swallow it whole, because in the end, it only hurts you.
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Present evidence? Of what you post? :lamo You're ridiculous.

Liberalism is based in emotional feeling, whereas Conservatism is based in objective fact...Sorry for you that you can't see that.
 
Boo Radley said:
I've said we can decide, meaning all of us and not just liberals. And these decisions have real consequences to actual workers, people we should encourage to keep working.
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We have to get liberals out so that we can have jobs first.
 
Boo Radley said:
I've said we can decide, meaning all of us and not just liberals. And these decisions have real consequences to actual workers, people we should encourage to keep working.
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No, we cannot decide on economic issues because you don't know the finances of other people and therein lies the problems with liberals. Regardless of how smart you think you are you have no concept of the monthly expenses of someone else and what they need to live on. There are about 6 million Americans out of a labor force of 156 million that make the Federal minimum wage and you have never even done any research as to who those people are. Figure it out and then find out what Wal-Mart actually pays their workers. There is no question that the liberal elite play on the stupidity of their base.
 
j-mac said:
Present evidence? Of what you post? :lamo You're ridiculous.

Liberalism is based in emotional feeling, whereas Conservatism is based in objective fact...Sorry for you that you can't see that.
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J, the only one showing emotion is you. I might link something as inaccurate as the American Thinker or The Weekly Standard, but they are appealing to emotion and not logic. Your stereotypical response is not reason based. Not at all.
 
j-mac said:
We have to get liberals out so that we can have jobs first.
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Jobs have been increasing here under liberals, and there is no reason to believe government will do anything that will help or hurt jobs. In fact, as I've told you before, the only way government can do that is to hire people, thus growing government.
 
Conservative said:
No, we cannot decide on economic issues because you don't know the finances of other people and therein lies the problems with liberals. Regardless of how smart you think you are you have no concept of the monthly expenses of someone else and what they need to live on. There are about 6 million Americans out of a labor force of 156 million that make the Federal minimum wage and you have never even done any research as to who those people are. Figure it out and then find out what Wal-Mart actually pays their workers. There is no question that the liberal elite play on the stupidity of their base.
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Sure we can. And we have before as well. And paying more would actually help the economy, giving people more money to spend, far more than cutting taxes would achieve. And I know what Walmart pays BTW.
 
Boo Radley said:
J, the only one showing emotion is you. I might link something as inaccurate as the American Thinker or The Weekly Standard, but they are appealing to emotion and not logic. Your stereotypical response is not reason based. Not at all.
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Sorry to jump in here, Boo, but the only one showing emotion really is you because you judge everyone else by your own standards having no concept of someone else's living expenses or what is a fair wage for others. You are the one buying the liberal spin and ignoring the actual reality. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you who can never admit when they are wrong? Tell me what qualifies you to determine what is a fair wage for someone else?
 
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