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Stupidity of the American Voter?

Conservative said:
Obviously you don't understand a state program vs a one size fits all Federal Program. Suggest you learn what Romney actually did vs what Obama did. Healthcare is a state issue not a Federal one.
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In my state we don't like socialism.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You can stop that line of bull anytime now. I was one of those whose individual plan was cancelled. There was nothing wrong with the plan and I very much did use it. It is the obamacare approved plan they wanted to stick me with that I could not have used unless something catastrophic happened to me.
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Perhaps you are telling the truth. Can you tell me more about the plan details and why it was cancelled?
 
ObamacareFail said:
Prior to Obamacare, the free marker health insurance worked out quite well for me. However after Obamacare passed, with the exception of life insurance, dental and vision, I dropped out of the private insurance market altogether. I am not about to pay $700.00 monthly premiums for a $6000.00 deductible policy. I am now covered on VA Healthcare.
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That's a nice personal story. Great to hear. Have you tried your state's market place? I'd love to hear the differences between the plan you had and the plan they are offering. Something substantial besides your stories would be great.

In other news, those who signed up for Obamacare are as happy with it as those with regular private insurance.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Such baloney. The so-called drop in the inflation rate is as phony as a three dollar bill. It is not the cost of healthcare that is dropping...it's the amount of healthcare spending. And the spending is only dropping because so many Americans are stuck policies with such high deductibles that they cannot afford to go to the doctor. As for the claim that 10 million more have insurance, how would you know? The "Hussein" Obama administration still has not released the breakdowns as to how many of those who signed up for obamacare had previous insurance.
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I'm citing a known statistic, and you are are telling personal stories.
 
Fiddytree said:
Much of that was clever refocusing by the Romney campaign to not totally alienate Republican small-government types.

Lastly, what you probably mean is "Healthcare ought to be a state issue, not a Federal one." Healthcare can be either, but you prefer it be closed to the purview of the state.
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Exactly, that is what Romney did, make it a state issue and I believe that is where it belongs as did our Founders
 
Leeburte said:
In my state we don't like socialism.
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Our Founders believed in having the govt. closer to the people and letting the people decide. they did in Mass. and chose Romneycare. Those that try to tie Romney to Obamacare don't seem to understand the difference.
 
Conservative said:
Our Founders believed in having the govt. closer to the people and letting the people decide. they did in Mass. and chose Romneycare. Those that try to tie Romney to Obamacare don't seem to understand the difference.
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That's such a revisionist history. They tried to create a government with no strong federal presence, and it was a massive failure. True they wanted to give the states power, and provide checks and balances, but they clearly learned their lessons from the Articles of Confederation. A strong federal government was necessary to make us a country, and not a series of states.
 
whysoserious said:
That's such a revisionist history. They tried to create a government with no strong federal presence, and it was a massive failure. True they wanted to give the states power, and provide checks and balances, but they clearly learned their lessons from the Articles of Confederation. A strong federal government was necessary to make us a country, and not a series of states.
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As it relates to national security, exactly correct but not social programs and you are the one revising history. Social programs are local or should be local, not federal one size fits all because it doesn't. States and local communities all have a different cost of living and that fact isn't recognized by big govt. liberals.
 
Conservative said:
Those that try to tie Romney to Obamacare don't seem to understand the difference.
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An individual mandate, more coverage for the lower income people (obviously paid for by the hard working tax payers), more restrictions on small business, higher cost than projected, plans are more expensive for small business owners, almost half of physicians say there are longer wait times. If you like those type of socialist policies, then yes, you did good by voting for Romney. I believe in freedom, self reliance and fiscal responsibility, so Romney didn't get my vote.
 
Leeburte said:
An individual mandate, more coverage for the lower income people (obviously paid for by the hard working tax payers), more restrictions on small business, higher cost than projected, plans are more expensive for small business owners, almost half of physicians say there are longer wait times. If you like those type of socialist policies, then yes, you did good by voting for Romney. I believe in freedom, self reliance and fiscal responsibility, so Romney didn't get my vote.
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I don't live in Mass, and Romneycare has no affect on me at all. Obamacare does. Again you don't understand the difference between a state program and a federal one. Was Gruber talking about you?
 
Conservative said:
Doubt that is going to happen although results matter and Obama's results are what you want to ignore
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History suggests otherwise. The pendulum will swing back after the republicans **** everything up.
 
Conservative said:
I don't live in Mass, and Romneycare has no affect on me at all. Obamacare does. Again you don't understand the difference between a state program and a federal one. Was Gruber talking about you?
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But Romney ran for the federal position of president, and you voted for him. You voted for a progressive, I didn't. Who's the stupid voter then?
 
whysoserious said:
That's such a revisionist history. They tried to create a government with no strong federal presence, and it was a massive failure. True they wanted to give the states power, and provide checks and balances, but they clearly learned their lessons from the Articles of Confederation. A strong federal government was necessary to make us a country, and not a series of states.
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Let the Southerner believe his kind did all of the work. Hamiltonians can have their laugh.
 
Leeburte said:
But Romney ran for the federal position of president, and you voted for him. You voted for a progressive, I didn't. Who's the stupid voter then?
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No, I voted for the better option and someone who actually had a chance to be President. You wasted your vote and that gave us Obama. Romney implemented a state program and you have no idea what he would have done as President. He believes in states' rights as do I
 
Conservative said:
No, I voted for the better option and someone who actually had a chance to be President. You wasted your vote and that gave us Obama. Romney implemented a state program and you have no idea what he would have done as President. He believes in states' rights as do I
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The new Republican Party tag line should be "The Lesser of Two of Evils"
 
Leeburte said:
The new Republican Party tag line should be "The Lesser of Two of Evils"
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It does seem in quite a lot a races that is what choices the Republicans and Democrats give us, the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate. I will only add that even when the least worst candidate wins, we are left with a bad winner. I will not vote for the least worst candidate, I will vote third party first as I do not want a hand in sending a bad winner to Washington D.C.
 
Conservative said:
As it relates to national security, exactly correct but not social programs and you are the one revising history. Social programs are local or should be local, not federal one size fits all because it doesn't. States and local communities all have a different cost of living and that fact isn't recognized by big govt. liberals.
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I don't you know that you can have any idea what the founding fathers would have thought about health care.
 
rocket88 said:
When you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil. When Americans wake up to that, we might see some actual change in how things are done in Washington.
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Or perhaps when the tyrant leaves the White House in January 2017.
 
rocket88 said:
When you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil. When Americans wake up to that, we might see some actual change in how things are done in Washington.
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No, because there's hardly ever such a thing as voting for the "good guy" in true believer talk. Not even Lincoln could fit that bill, because he was still either the tyrant or the capitulator to the Democrats and Radical Republicans, respectively. Secondly, Washington's ways are set because it works. Third, that's not so bad.

That's why third party voters (and many of the public) are so hopeless. They believe in fantasies like this.

Embrace the machine. It's good for you.
 
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whysoserious said:
Perhaps you are telling the truth. Can you tell me more about the plan details and why it was cancelled?
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You are going to have to do better then "Perhaps you are telling the truth".
 
whysoserious said:
That's a nice personal story. Great to hear. Have you tried your state's market place? I'd love to hear the differences between the plan you had and the plan they are offering. Something substantial besides your stories would be great.

In other news, those who signed up for Obamacare are as happy with it as those with regular private insurance.
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My state is not one of the states that expanded Medicaid. And your claim that those who signed up for obamacare are as happy as those with private insurance is baloney. Most of them lost their doctors and ended up with a very limited network.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Or perhaps when the tyrant leaves the White House in January 2017.
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History is laughing at you. People like you go so far to call him a tyrant, and yet:

1) He's done nothing illegal
2) The economy has steadily grown since he's been in office (albeit it started about as low as it could get)
3) He killed Osama bin Laden
4) He's been insanely aggressive against terrorism
5) He hasn't raised taxes

Yes, you didn't get everything you want out of the executive branch for the past 6 years, but to freak out like he's Stalin, that's insane. Most things he would have wanted to do, he couldn't do because of the obstructionist Congress. So relax and grow up, buddy.
 
whysoserious said:
I don't you know that you can have any idea what the founding fathers would have thought about health care.
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The same thing that they thought about education - that it should not be a federal gov't matter. Simply because something is "important" does not make it a federal government matter.
 
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