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Stupidity of the American Voter?

MMC said:
I hear the Demos may cut a deal for the XL to try and save her seat. The Repubs don't need to do it.....I doubt she can get re-elected. Its BO care that kills her too.
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Yeah, it was on the news while I ate lunch. Listen Landreiu is/was head of the senate energy committee, she ould have brought it out of her committee at anytime she wanted. Reid could have brought this up for a vote anything he wanted. In fact Pryor along with Landreiu, Grimes also I think were begging Reid to bring it up for a vote. They wanted for vote for it, but Reid knew the likes of Manchin, Begich, and a few more Democrats would vote for it and it would have passed, decided not to.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Nope no it does not.
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Theres that naivete.


It is? Why is bringing socialism through a democratic system naive?
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That's not what I referred to as naïve. Of course it can be done that way. Maintaining a socialist state can only be done through authoritarianism.
 
Perotista said:
Yeah, it was on the news while I ate lunch. Listen Landreiu is/was head of the senate energy committee, she ould have brought it out of her committee at anytime she wanted. Reid could have brought this up for a vote anything he wanted. In fact Pryor along with Landreiu, Grimes also I think were begging Reid to bring it up for a vote. They wanted for vote for it, but Reid knew the likes of Manchin, Begich, and a few more Democrats would vote for it and it would have passed, decided not to.
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Priebus is already telling them don't do it.....they can get XL to pass without any deal with the Demos. They already have Demos and Unions for backers.
 
Fletch said:
Theres that naivete.
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That's not what I referred to as naïve. Of course it can be done that way. Maintaining a socialist state can only be done through authoritarianism.
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Oh I forget, in the libertarian frame of mind democracy is authoritarianism..
 
tres borrachos said:
Hey, paying taxes is patriotic, according to the Vice Simpleton. So, the citizens are paying taxes for everyone. And the young people are being gouged on purpose. No biggie.

;)

This guy is the gift that the Republicans didn't even know existed.
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That's a pretty stupid comment, the reason some are paying taxes and not receiving the benefit (an insurance exchange to purchase ACA plans) in a timely manner is because....wait for it...GOP guvs do not want their citizens to have them.
 
tres borrachos said:
Hello, can you maybe start a thread about Bush, WMDs, Hussein, Al Qaeda, Clinton, Monica, HW Bush, Reagan and Iran? This thread isn't about them and I'm not interested in discussing them here. Thanks!
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People don't want to put voter behavior into a historical context on a political debating forum? To understand current and future behavior, all you need to do is review history. You didn't seem to have a problem with that when you brought up a 6 year old quote Phil Gramm and the leftist reaction to it.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
That's a pretty stupid comment, the reason some are paying taxes and not receiving the benefit (an insurance exchange to purchase ACA plans) in a timely manner is because....wait for it...GOP guvs do not want their citizens to have them.
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Yep, the GOP Govs weren't stupid enough to buy into the lies that it took to get ObamaCare passed.
 
tres borrachos said:
Hey, paying taxes is patriotic, according to the Vice Simpleton. So, the citizens are paying taxes for everyone. And the young people are being gouged on purpose. No biggie.

;)

This guy is the gift that the Republicans didn't even know existed.
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More than the left knows. :cool:


Let’s not forget that when Gruber calls voters stupid, it can’t be applied to those who opposed ObamaCare on the very same grounds as he states in these videos. Critics had made these arguments all along about the deceptive structure of the bill, and the lies being told to cover it up. Gruber’s talking about the Obama coalition in these remarks.....snip~

Gruber video #2: No, really, American voters are stupid; Update: Third video? « Hot Air
 
Fletch said:
Theres that naivete.


That's not what I referred to as naïve. Of course it can be done that way. Maintaining a socialist state can only be done through authoritarianism.
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Huh, do Nordic citizens know this?
 
Leeburte said:
People don't want to put voter behavior into a historical context on a political debating forum? To understand current and future behavior, all you need to do is review history. You didn't seem to have a problem with that when you brought up a 6 year old quote Phil Gramm and the leftist reaction to it.
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Phil Gramm made a broad and disparaging statement about the US citizens. It isn't my fault that you have no idea what this thread is about.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I don't plan to, that is not the issue, the issue still is why your state has double the rate of uninsured children as most other states.
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That is personal choice in this state plus as today's Democrat Party Representatives state the ignorance of the people who choose not to sign up for the programs they are eligible for. Guess we need a nanny for every non insured person to make sure they sign up for the programs they are eligible for. In addition, I do want to thank "your" President for securing our border here so that illegals aren't getting into the state to skew the numbers.
 
MMC said:
More than the left knows. :cool:


Let’s not forget that when Gruber calls voters stupid, it can’t be applied to those who opposed ObamaCare on the very same grounds as he states in these videos. Critics had made these arguments all along about the deceptive structure of the bill, and the lies being told to cover it up. Gruber’s talking about the Obama coalition in these remarks.....snip~

Gruber video #2: No, really, American voters are stupid; Update: Third video? « Hot Air
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The left seems perfectly content with being called "stupid". The opponents of the ACA weren't the stupid ones Gruber is referring to. :lol: It makes me chuckle that the left doesn't even realize that. Proof positive that they are so blindly partisan that they sit back and accept it. And some are even agreeing with it. Priceless.
 
Fenton said:
Yep, the GOP Govs weren't stupid enough to buy into the lies that it took to get ObamaCare passed.
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Oh....it is past "lies" during the passage that has caused GOP guvs to not setup state exchanges.

Can you document that?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
That's a pretty stupid comment, the reason some are paying taxes and not receiving the benefit (an insurance exchange to purchase ACA plans) in a timely manner is because....wait for it...GOP guvs do not want their citizens to have them.
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What happened to the Oregon Exchange and Maryland exchanges that failed without any help from the GOP......wait for it.....cmon, tell us how its Buuuuuuush's fault. :roll:
 
Perotista said:
Yeah, it was on the news while I ate lunch. Listen Landreiu is/was head of the senate energy committee, she ould have brought it out of her committee at anytime she wanted. Reid could have brought this up for a vote anything he wanted. In fact Pryor along with Landreiu, Grimes also I think were begging Reid to bring it up for a vote. They wanted for vote for it, but Reid knew the likes of Manchin, Begich, and a few more Democrats would vote for it and it would have passed, decided not to.
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I wonder how many Democratic politicians would give their eye teeth for a chance to punch out Reid and Gruber at this point.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo The vast majority of Americans like the key provisions in the ACA..... But once its called Obamacare instead of the ACA they disagree with it...
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And this is some sort of emotionally based, 1/2 hearted justification for the president, his administration, Democrats, and other supporters lying through their teeth numerous times in front of God, country and the world, to get it passed?

You have some very disturbing aspects incorporated into your moral compass and value system, as does anyone else who's mentality is 'the ends justifies the means'. Especially in this case.
 
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Conservative said:
That is personal choice in this state plus as today's Democrat Party Representatives state the ignorance of the people who choose not to sign up for the programs they are eligible for. Guess we need a nanny for every non insured person to make sure they sign up for the programs they are eligible for. In addition, I do want to thank "your" President for securing our border here so that illegals aren't getting into the state to skew the numbers.
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You are undercutting your own argument, you say those eligible are not enrolling, then you say the numbers are skewed by those not eligible. If those eligible are not enrolling, there is a reason beyond the guess that "they choose not to".
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You are undercutting your own argument, you say those eligible are not enrolling, then you say the numbers are skewed by those not eligible. If those eligible are not enrolling, there is a reason beyond the guess that "they choose not to".
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They are not enrolling in programs already available in the state with many actually choosing not to enroll. I do understand that personal choice isn't something you truly understand unless of course it is about Gay rights or Abortion then it is all about personal choice, certainly not with health insurance that you don't even have to pay for if you are uninsured in TX
 
MMC said:
What happened to the Oregon Exchange and Maryland exchanges that failed without any help from the GOP......wait for it.....cmon, tell us how its Buuuuuuush's fault. :roll:
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The Oregon exchange issue was directly related to the private vendor contracted to setup the service, Oracle Inc.
 
MMC said:
Priebus is already telling them don't do it.....they can get XL to pass without any deal with the Demos. They already have Demos and Unions for backers.
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No deal necessary, just bring it up by itself with an up or down vote. In my opinion it would be icing on the cake to have a Democratic controlled senate pass it. Then it would be up to the president to sign it or veto it. Everyone in Louisiana knows about Landrieu, her voting for this isn't going to change that.
 
Conservative said:
They are not enrolling in programs already available in the state with many actually choosing not to enroll. I do understand that personal choice isn't something you truly understand unless of course it is about Gay rights or Abortion then it is all about personal choice, certainly not with health insurance that you don't even have to pay for if you are uninsured in TX
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I'm waiting for you to show that the reason for those eligible to not enroll in a program they were funding was because they chose not to. Document your claim.
 
tres borrachos said:
I wonder how many Democratic politicians would give their eye teeth for a chance to punch out Reid and Gruber at this point.
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Bringing up gruber, you know what no one has apologized for him calling the voters stupid or no Democrat has come out and said something like that is on him, I do not think this way. But perhaps with last Tuesday in the books, there may be quite a lot of Democrats thinking the voters are stupid.
 
Perotista said:
Bringing up gruber, you know what no one has apologized for him calling the voters stupid or no Democrat has come out and said something like that is on him, I do not think this way. But perhaps with last Tuesday in the books, there may be quite a lot of Democrats thinking the voters are stupid.
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I noticed that too. Everyone is strangely silent on the matter. Maybe they're hunkered down in the hallowed halls of Congress plotting their strategy.

Sorry, pero, but I think the Democratic politicians thought the voters were stupid long before last Tuesday.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The Oregon exchange issue was directly related to the private vendor contracted to setup the service, Oracle Inc.
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Ah.....so nothing to do with the GOP, like you had stated. Okay, that's cleared up.
 
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