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Stupidity of the American Voter?

I didn't watch, but I suspect liberals are more concerned about the political damage this guys admission will do than they are about the fact that there was widespread deceit employed to get this bill through congress. The are probably more pissed that this guy said what he said rather than being pissed about the what took place.

Oh yes. That's why I mentioned their obvious panic about what this clown's admission will do. They don't seem to mind knowing that Obama et al think they're stupid. They are in a panic about how this will compromise the ACA. And I agree with them. This is seriously damaging.

Seriously though, I'll bet Obama is ready to throttle this guy. This is the last thing he needed. Comments like this are better left unsaid in public and contained to the room where the arrogance permeates the air. They can sit around and giggle at the stupid voters. $50 says this guy isn't hired by the Obama administration again anytime soon.;)
 
Even tho they agree with it when its named something else which pretty much plays into my opinion, the as a population we are pretty dumb...


No way! This happened?

I think for the longest time a lot of people never knew the ACA was Obamacare and it is true some would say they support one and oppose the other. One of the problems when it comes to discussing the ACA/Obamacare is that either side will never listen to what the other side has to say. It seems to be just talking points with no real substance.

As for the senators, yes it really happened. One tends to forget how hot an issue it was and how most Americans especially in the states I listed, the people of those states were very vocal opponents. Opposition ranged from 55-68% against when the ACA in those states when it passed by the senate back in 2009. Here is a recap:

AK Begich – Republican Sullivan was officially declared the winner this morning.
AR Lincoln & Pryor – Democrat Lincoln lost in 2010 and Pryor lost in 2014
CO Bennett & Udall – Bennett survived in 2010 by 0.8 of a percent, Udall lost in 2014
IN Bayh – Democrat Evan Bayh retired in 2010 instead of facing re-election
LA Landrieu – In runoff in December at which time she will be gone
MO McCaskill – she survived in 2012 only because the Republicans ran a nut in the form of Aiken. She had a 62% disapproval rating, Aiken had a 71% disapproval rating. With anyone but Aiken running against her, she would have been long gone, but such is life in politics.
MT Tester survived won re-election in 2012, presidential year. Baucus retired instead of facing re-election 2014
NE Nelson – retired in 2012 instead of facing re-election
NC Hagan – Defeated by Republican Tillis in 2014
SD Johnson – retired in 2014 instead of facing re-election
VA Warner – won re-election in 2014 by the skin of his teeth.
WV Goodwin and Rockefeller – Goodwin retired in 2010 and Rockefeller retired in 2014 instead of facing re-election

When on a very hot issue the elected officials who who totally ignore the wishes of the people who elected them in order to vote their political parties agenda instead of the wishes of the people will usually pay the price. This is true regardless of the issue or the political party pushing its agenda on the people. Every once in a long while the people bite back.


One other thing from the bins of history, the national polls on the ACA when the senate passed it back in 2009 thanks to RCP:


CNN/Opinion Research 12/2-12/3 36% for 61% Against/Oppose +25
Rasmussen Reports 11/29 - 11/29 41% for 53% Against/Oppose +12
Gallup 11/20-11/22 44% for 49% Against/Oppose +5
Ipsos/McClatchy 11/19 - 11/22 34% for 46% Against/Oppose +12
Rasmussen Reports 11/21 - 11/22 38% for 56% Against/Oppose +18
FOX News 11/17 - 11/18 35% for 51% Against/Oppose +16
PPP (D) 11/13 - 11/15 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12
 
I went over the results and the exit polling. This stood out:

44% of voters view the Democratic Party favorably, 53% unfavorably
40% of voters view the Republican Party favorably, 55% unfavorably

So this election was unique in that the political party with the lower favorable and higher unfavorable ratings/views of the voter won. Perhaps that happened for two reasons, 1. Voters were angrier at President Obama than the Republicans in congress. 2. There was no choice C for the voters to take their wrath out on both the Republicans and Democrats. I believe if there was a viable third choice, a choice C, C would have won instead of the Republicans.

You missed #3 which is the most obvious one. Voters don't like the way things are going so they punished the party in power. They would have punished whichever party was in power regardless of who they dislike more. Like I said, it happens over and over.
 
It is true there are a lot of provisions in the ACA that the majority of Americans like, no doubt about it. But as long as the majority of Americans are opposed to the ACA it will hang around the Democrats necks like an albatross. Good, bad or indifferent the Democrats own health care.

FYI: Here is a list of Democratic senators in states where at least 55% of the citizens of those states, a few in the low 60% range opposed Obamacare when it was first passed in the senate back in 2009. These Democratic senators ignored the wishes of the people who elected them and sent them to Washington to represent them, which they did not. A few survived, but most are gone or shortly will be. Sometimes when senators tell the voters to stick it where the sun don’t shine, they bite back.

AK Begich – is losing and when the results are final, he will be gone
AR Lincoln & Pryor – Both gone, defeated in the next election after the ACA was passed
CO Bennett & Udall – Bennett survived, Udall is gone
IN Bayh – He retired without seeking re-election
LA Landrieu – In runoff in December at which time she will be gone
MO McCaskill – she survived only because the Republicans ran a nut in the form of Aiken. She had a 62% disapproval rating, Aiken had a 71% disapproval rating. With anyone but Aiken running against her, she would have been long gone, but such is life in politics.
MT Tester survived, Baucus retired instead of facing re-election
NE Nelson – retired instead of facing re-election
NC Hagan – Defeated by Tillis
SD Johnson – retired instead of facing re-election
VA Warner – looks like he will survive by the skin of his teeth.
WV Byrd and Rockefeller – Both retired instead of seeking re-election

Total 12 defeated or retired instead of facing the wrath of the people, 4 survived the odds.


Mornin Pero. :2wave: Btw, Begich lost Alaska Last night.....its Official. That's 8 Senate seats won.
 
LOL, stupid as Texans? Now that is funny. Just another example of jealousy of the left who really has no clue as to what is going on in TX as they read the headlines and ignore the facts. I always thought you were smarter than this. As usual however I am always disappointed when I give a liberal too much credit. Guess this is why millions are moving to TX including Fortune 500 Companies so they can tap into the low education level of the citizens??

You do realize you are speaking to a Native Texan, don't you? Houston, in fact. We could be neighbors. Although, it appears I don't share that Texas braggadocio, "everything is bigger and better in Texas," gene with you. It surprises me none that the corporate moguls move to Texas. It's a lot closer than China.

My point, "Pardner," is that just two years ago, Wisconsin ranked 10th in the nation as far education went. They have since fell to 15th. I firmly believe that Walker's war on education has something to do with this. I apologize for calling Texas kids stupid. I have nieces, nephews and grandchildren that I love very much and I shouldn't call them stupid. But that does not change the statistic that Texas ranks 34th in the country, as far as education goes.

Talk about ignoring the facts. <smh> You deserve to be disappointed. Glad I could help.




Education rank | KIDS COUNT Data Center
 
Mornin Pero. :2wave: Btw, Begich lost Alaska Last night.....its Official. That's 8 Senate seats won.

Is that right MMC? I didn't hear about it on the news. I heard they were still counting votes?
 
It wouldn't know, I do not know him and his likes, clearly you have an inside track, more over he does not have me, but obviously someone does have you.

Did it? How is it possible then that you are still missing the message? Congress has its lowest approval rating in history and people like you keep more of them there and I mean on both sides of the isle. Perfect examples of partisan hacks and ideologues who can not see the forest because of the trees.

You don't know Jack **** about me or where on or what side I sit.

To you? Probably not...

Speaking of not knowing "jack ****" anyone that believe National Polls on Congress are relevant is technically civics challenged as Congressional Elections are local not national. I don't give a damn about your Representative and vice versa yet that doesn't prevent people from quoting national polls.

As for the rest of your post, you make me laugh
 
You do realize you are speaking to a Native Texan, don't you? Houston, in fact. We could be neighbors. Although, it appears I don't share that Texas braggadocio, "everything is bigger and better in Texas," gene with you. It surprises me none that the corporate moguls move to Texas. It's a lot closer than China.

My point, "Pardner," is that just two years ago, Wisconsin ranked 10th in the nation as far education went. They have since fell to 15th. I firmly believe that Walker's war on education has something to do with this. I apologize for calling Texas kids stupid. I have nieces, nephews and grandchildren that I love very much and I shouldn't call them stupid. But that does not change the statistic that Texas ranks 34th in the country, as far as education goes.

Talk about ignoring the facts. <smh> You deserve to be disappointed. Glad I could help.




Education rank | KIDS COUNT Data Center

Point is, "pardner" I am not a native TX but actually lived most of my life in the Midwest. Aside from losing my wife to cancer it was the best move I ever made. I love living in TX and don't seem to have the same problem with education as you do. My son graduated from High school and a Texas college and is doing quite well in his own business. Don't really care about rankings when it comes to TX but do care about illegals crossing the border and skewing the numbers.

You seem to believe that CEO's aren't moving to TX? Really? based upon what? Those 52 Fortune 500 Companies have CEO's that live in TX so what I hear from you is hot air and jealousy. You may have lived in TX but you are prevented from seeing the forest because of the trees. That normally happens when you have big govt. liberals believing polls and believing that the Federal Govt. has the answers. TX leads the nation or is a leader in the nation on the numbers that matter, jobs being created, population growth, and cost of living. Those issues solve most of the other problems you claim Texans have.
 
Is that right MMC? I didn't hear about it on the news. I heard they were still counting votes?

Yep, done counting the Absentee Ballots and made the call around 4am. I was out in Indiana at the time. ;)


Alaska win gives GOP another US Senate seat.....

U.S. Sen. Mark Begich couldn't pull off another election surprise as voter disapproval of President Barack Obama helped push him and other Democrats out of office.

Republican Dan Sullivan, a Marine Corps reservist and assistant secretary of state under President George W. Bush, defeated the first-term incumbent as part of a wave in which Republicans picked up eight seats and regained control of the Senate. Another Senate race is yet to be decided in Louisiana. The Alaska race was too close to call on Election Night last week, with Sullivan up by about 8,100 votes, but it became evident Tuesday when the state began counting about 20,000 of absentee and questioned ballots that Begich could not overcome Sullivan.

In another close race, incumbent candidate Bill Walker led incumbent Republican Alaska Gov. Sean Parnell by about 4,000 votes with more to be counted starting Friday. Although he hasn't been declared the winner, Walker planned to announce a transition team Wednesday.....snip~

https://news.yahoo.com/alaska-win-gives-gop-another-us-senate-seat-102606555--election.html
 
Yep, done counting the Absentee Ballots and made the call around 4am. I was out in Indiana at the time. ;)


Alaska win gives GOP another US Senate seat.....

U.S. Sen. Mark Begich couldn't pull off another election surprise as voter disapproval of President Barack Obama helped push him and other Democrats out of office.

Republican Dan Sullivan, a Marine Corps reservist and assistant secretary of state under President George W. Bush, defeated the first-term incumbent as part of a wave in which Republicans picked up eight seats and regained control of the Senate. Another Senate race is yet to be decided in Louisiana. The Alaska race was too close to call on Election Night last week, with Sullivan up by about 8,100 votes, but it became evident Tuesday when the state began counting about 20,000 of absentee and questioned ballots that Begich could not overcome Sullivan.

In another close race, incumbent candidate Bill Walker led incumbent Republican Alaska Gov. Sean Parnell by about 4,000 votes with more to be counted starting Friday. Although he hasn't been declared the winner, Walker planned to announce a transition team Wednesday.....snip~

https://news.yahoo.com/alaska-win-gives-gop-another-us-senate-seat-102606555--election.html

Holy mother of pearl! That'll teach me to watch MSNBC in the morning. Their ticker said they were still counting ballots.

The AP did report it in the middle of the night. Apparently Begich still hasn't conceded. Bad year to be a Democratic incumbent Senator in Alaska.

Didn't know about Parnell. That one surprised me. Is Walker the guy that Palin endorsed?

Sorry this is so OT.
 
Yep, done counting the Absentee Ballots and made the call around 4am. I was out in Indiana at the time. ;)


Alaska win gives GOP another US Senate seat.....

U.S. Sen. Mark Begich couldn't pull off another election surprise as voter disapproval of President Barack Obama helped push him and other Democrats out of office.

Republican Dan Sullivan, a Marine Corps reservist and assistant secretary of state under President George W. Bush, defeated the first-term incumbent as part of a wave in which Republicans picked up eight seats and regained control of the Senate. Another Senate race is yet to be decided in Louisiana. The Alaska race was too close to call on Election Night last week, with Sullivan up by about 8,100 votes, but it became evident Tuesday when the state began counting about 20,000 of absentee and questioned ballots that Begich could not overcome Sullivan.

In another close race, incumbent candidate Bill Walker led incumbent Republican Alaska Gov. Sean Parnell by about 4,000 votes with more to be counted starting Friday. Although he hasn't been declared the winner, Walker planned to announce a transition team Wednesday.....snip~

https://news.yahoo.com/alaska-win-gives-gop-another-us-senate-seat-102606555--election.html

Yeah, they could have 54 next month.
Think there are 13 Dem Senators scared shizzless enough to vote to override Obama's repeal veto?
 
I watched Morning Joe, and except for the screamer Howard Dean, even the Liberals on the panel simply could not reconcile this fool's words. They are (rightfully so) in a panic about what this moron's admission will do to the SCOTUS ruling that's coming. The judges do read the papers and they will see this. I'll bet Obama is ready to wring this guy's neck.

All we wanted to do was get the law passed, so we intentionally misled, withheld information, lied, and counted on the "stupidity" of the American voters? We knew what was going to happen if the states didn't set up their own exchanges but we intentionally didn't tell anyone that? We knew that there was no way you could "keep your doctor if you like your doctor" but we said it anyway because we knew the American voters were too stupid to challenge us?

Even Mika, who is normally a cackling Liberal, had to admit this is really really bad for everyone.

And a few of them pointed out that this WILL be brought up in the debates in 2016, whether it's Hillary or another candidate. The GOP candidate will hammer this over and over and over again.

No normal American likes to know that the President and his band of arrogant law creators think they're so stupid.



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Perk.....MIKA.
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Give her to me for 30 days and when I am finished with her. She will return a die hard Republican. :lamo
 
Mornin Pero. :2wave: Btw, Begich lost Alaska Last night.....its Official. That's 8 Senate seats won.

Good morning, MMC. :2wave:

That was good news this morning! :thumbs: If Landrieu loses in the runoff, that will be nine - what will the numbers R vs D be?

Wow, our temps dropped last night - it's 35 degrees right now after getting to 65 yesterday! The animals don't want to go out - not even for a minute - but they gotta, like it or not! No snow yet, though.
 
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Perk.....MIKA.
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Give her to me for 30 days and when I am finished with her. She will return a die hard Republican. :lamo

Even as a woman, I can appreciate how damn great her legs are.

Good luck with getting her to cross over. She's so excited about Elizabeth Warren she is bouncing in her seat.
 
Holy mother of pearl! That'll teach me to watch MSNBC in the morning. Their ticker said they were still counting ballots.

The AP did report it in the middle of the night. Apparently Begich still hasn't conceded. Bad year to be a Democratic incumbent Senator in Alaska.

Didn't know about Parnell. That one surprised me. Is Walker the guy that Palin endorsed?

Sorry this is so OT.


You watch 'em this AM?
They talked about Gruber and Howard Dean poo-pooed his importance. They simply called it a gaffe. Typical.
BUT ... have you heard that Gruber also said that if someone is in a State without an exchange they're not going to get a subsidy.
That's the basis of the case the S.C. agreed to hear next year.
 
Even as a woman, I can appreciate how damn great her legs are.

Good luck with getting her to cross over. She's so excited about Elizabeth Warren she is bouncing in her seat.



Don't ever let anyone around here tell ya I don't like anything liberal.....ya hears. Oh, and if ya see someone saying otherwise. Check that BS....okay! ;)


Yes, she has a Great Set of uhm, ermm yeah.....Legs!
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I didn't hear about the Palin endorsement. So I don't know.
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You seem to believe that CEO's aren't moving to TX?

What in the world EVER gave you that idea? It makes perfect sense that companies move their operations to Texas. I can't think of any other state that offers more lower educated worker drones for their exploitation.

Look, I know it is impossible to get through to you using logic and the dictates of reason. You have proven yourself, over and over again, here at DP, to be beyond reason. Texas is a good place for you. You belong there.

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You watch 'em this AM?
They talked about Gruber and Howard Dean poo-pooed his importance. They simply called it a gaffe. Typical.
BUT ... have you heard that Gruber also said that if someone is in a State without an exchange they're not going to get a subsidy.
That's the basis of the case the S.C. agreed to hear next year.

Howard Dean had me rolling on the floor this morning. Was that not hilarious? Even Mika was like "WTF".

Gruber really torpedoed Obama's signature legislation. It's only Howard Dean and some Liberal posters who think otherwise.
 
What in the world EVER gave you that idea? It makes perfect sense that companies move their operations to Texas. I can't think of any other state that offers more lower educated worker drones for their exploitation.

Look, I know it is impossible to get through to you using logic and the dictates of reason. You have proven yourself, over and over again, here at DP, to be beyond reason. Texas is a good place for you. You belong there.

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Thank you, absolutely ecstatic to be here and appreciate your critique of TX no matter how biased and partisan it is and totally out of context. There is a reason companies are moving to TX and it is amazing that TX leads the nation in job creation in all income categories but you focus on the low income workers. TX is a leader in population growth so apparently moving to TX has caused workers to move here as well. Wonder why?
 
Howard Dean had me rolling on the floor this morning. Was that not hilarious? Even Mika was like "WTF".

Gruber really torpedoed Obama's signature legislation. It's only Howard Dean and some Liberal posters who think otherwise.
Saw a clip of Angus King, Maine, I think, being interviewed on Fox.
He's still hanging in there.
He dragged out the "why don't you want people to have healthcare" line.
These guys simply do not have shame.
 
Saw a clip of Angus King, Maine, I think, being interviewed on Fox.
He's still hanging in there.
He dragged out the "why don't you want people to have healthcare" line.
These guys simply do not have shame.

Did you hear Howard this morning when talking about Scott Walker wanting to drug test welfare recipients, and he said how this is evidence that the GOP has not only declared a war on women, but a war on poor people too? :lol:

My favorite part of the whole show was when he said that Wall Streeters should also be drug tested because they get tax breaks and that's welfare.

I almost wet my pants.
 
Good morning, MMC. :2wave:

That was good news this morning! :thumbs: If Landrieu loses in the runoff, that will be nine - what will the numbers R vs D be?

Wow, our temps dropped last night - it's 35 degrees right now after getting to 65 yesterday! The animals don't want to go out - not even for a minute - but they gotta, like it or not! No snow yet, though.



We will have 54 or 55......the other good news is .

In Nevada, Republicans now control all levels of state government. The lone Democrat elected statewide is Reid. So Harry is useless in Nevada and really can't say he speaks for them.....a fitting an end to his Career. Before he hits pasture.....as the Demos want Shumer for the Minority.
 
Did you hear Howard this morning when talking about Scott Walker wanting to drug test welfare recipients, and he said how this is evidence that the GOP has not only declared a war on women, but a war on poor people too? :lol:

My favorite part of the whole show was when he said that Wall Streeters should also be drug tested because they get tax breaks and that's welfare.

I almost wet my pants.

He also said he wants Walker tested since he gets money (from the taxpayers as pay for being Governor) for doing nothing. Wasn't Howard a Governor of VT? So he was paid for doing nothing too. These clowns got bitch-slapped in the mid-terms and now need to show how "strong" they are... war on "poor people" --- laughable. But you know, I could agree to have all of WallStreet tested, all of the state assembly's tested, every governor, senator, house member from State to Federal level tested and if it shows they have illegal drugs then what? Can their paycheck be revoked? Of course not... the political class can main line heroine without fear of repercussion unless they are caught with the drug or commit some other offense.

It would be easier to just legalize all drugs and let people do what they want to do. People are already using their welfare for all sorts of things welfare wasn't meant to be used.... so limit where it can be used. Isn't that a better solution or change the way it's doled out. Instead of giving them a plastic card with money on it put together a payment program which pays bills, issues credit at stores and will only be accepted for food and other essentials which are approved for use.
 
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