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Stupidity of the American Voter?

Agreed. And Obama is the most Nixonian POTUS in history. The left loves him.

Hell, Nixon was the greatest president in history, compared to Obama. At least Nixon cared about the country. Obama hates everything The United States stands for.
 
Hell, Nixon was the greatest president in history, compared to Obama. At least Nixon cared about the country. Obama hates everything The United States stands for.

Think back to all the slick promises of the ACA. Remember how the criticism of the ACA was met by libs and Obama. Recall the failures as its been implemented. And look at what we got.

There is simply no defense for this.
 
Political heads need to roll over this. They knew the whole effin time. So did I.

Even when liberal policies fail, there has always been a belief by most people that democrats sincerely acted in good faith, with the best interest of the American people in mind... In other words, they made an honest mistake... Now the truth is out there for all to see, and "good faith" played absolutely no part in Obama and the democrats shoving the train wreck known as Obamacare down the American people's throats... It was a calculated deception that they believed the American people who supported them were too stupid to figure out.
 
Examples of what?

Oops... I must have accidently posted that on the wrong thread... My mistake...

But to answer your question, I was talking about all the examples of conservatives doing horrible things and committing crimes that would be falsely blamed on liberals. You know, the examples that back up your assertion that republicans do it as much as liberals do?

So far, you have come up with only one example while I have posted six, with plenty of others waiting in the wings. So how are you coming along with that?
 
Oops... I must have accidently posted that on the wrong thread... My mistake...

But to answer your question, I was talking about all the examples of conservatives doing horrible things and committing crimes that would be falsely blamed on liberals. You know, the examples that back up your assertion that republicans do it as much as liberals do?

So far, you have come up with only one example while I have posted six, with plenty of others waiting in the wings. So how are you coming along with that?

I'll get to it when I get to it. Jumping through hoops for you is not particularly high on my to-do list.
 
Even when liberal policies fail, there has always been a belief by most people that democrats sincerely acted in good faith, with the best interest of the American people in mind... In other words, they made an honest mistake... Now the truth is out there for all to see, and "good faith" played absolutely no part in Obama and the democrats shoving the train wreck known as Obamacare down the American people's throats... It was a calculated deception that they believed the American people who supported them were too stupid to figure out.

They dont act in good faith, they hide behind a mask of good faith. One need only look a bit deeper to see how these characters really are.
 
The saga continues with

Gruber Video #6

which he says among other things:

In those 2011 remarks, Gruber said that, despite the fact that most members of his profession agree employer-based health insurance tax breaks were bad policy, “it turns out politically it’s really hard to get rid of.”

He said that the Affordable Care Act helped to do away with this system in two ways. The first, “by mislabeling it, calling it a tax on insurance plans rather than a tax on people when we all know it’s a tax on people who hold those insurance plans.” And secondly, by delaying the implementation of this tax until 2018. “But by starting it late, we were able to tie the cap for Cadillac Tax to CPI, not medical inflation,” Gruber said.

“This was the only political way we were ever going to take on what is one of the worst public policies in America, and every economist should celebrate this,” Gruber insisted.

“It’s on the books now,” Gruber added of the 2018 implementation deadline at which point he anticipated employers and unions would seek to have this tax repealed. “At that point, if they want to get rid of it they’re going to have to fill a trillion dollar hole in the deficit.”​

(*sarcasm*) Just WONDERFUL the position these lying bastards put the electorate and the country. Fill in a $1T hole in the budget due to ObamaCare and it's fall out. Almost makes Iraq AND Afghanistan look like a 'good' thing.

Well, they've left one hell of a mess for the Republicans to clean up. Are these idiot parties in competition who can leave the larger mess?

Most disappointingly, I don't think that anyone is going to be any the wiser for it.
 
I think we know how the liberals voted. ;)

In all seriousness, this was one of the architects of the bill, demonstrating exactly how he intended to mislead the American people.

I know that. I am about as anti-aca as anyone but even if the people, the electorate knew what he said back then or even if he said before the the vote on the aca in congress, do you think it would have changed one vote in congress? I don't. If Americans were against the ACA, 38% for, 58% against and you still had the democrats pass it, do you think even if only 30% of all of America was for it, the democrats would change one vote. No, it was they parties agenda and they were going to pass it even if 99% of all America was against it.
 
(*sarcasm*) Just WONDERFUL the position these lying bastards put the electorate and the country. Fill in a $1T hole in the budget due to ObamaCare and it's fall out. Almost makes Iraq AND Afghanistan look like a 'good' thing.

Well, they've left one hell of a mess for the Republicans to clean up. Are these idiot parties in competition who can leave the larger mess?

Most disappointingly, I don't think that anyone is going to be any the wiser for it.

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

I don't understand why something that is supposed to take place in 2018 can't be nipped in the bud now! If it never starts, it won't need to be stopped - or am I missing something?

Erik, this is getting worse by the day - I'm beginning to believe that Obama and his "bosses" really do hate America. Why do we need to be brought to our knees - have we been that wrong all these years that we deserve this? We gave so many lives to help others - doesn't that matter to anyone but us?
 
I know that. I am about as anti-aca as anyone but even if the people, the electorate knew what he said back then or even if he said before the the vote on the aca in congress, do you think it would have changed one vote in congress? I don't. If Americans were against the ACA, 38% for, 58% against and you still had the democrats pass it, do you think even if only 30% of all of America was for it, the democrats would change one vote. No, it was they parties agenda and they were going to pass it even if 99% of all America was against it.

I think there may have been more of an outcry, and it might have been harder to pass (more kickbacks would be required from the dems). But we will never know.
 
I think there may have been more of an outcry, and it might have been harder to pass (more kickbacks would be required from the dems). But we will never know.

You're right there. I suppose this falls into the what if category.
 
Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

I don't understand why something that is supposed to take place in 2018 can't be nipped in the bud now! If it never starts, it won't need to be stopped - or am I missing something?

Erik, this is getting worse by the day - I'm beginning to believe that Obama and his "bosses" really do hate America. Why do we need to be brought to our knees - have we been that wrong all these years that we deserve this? We gave so many lives to help others - doesn't that matter to anyone but us?

Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

I honestly have no idea.

Being an immigrant's son, with the work ethic that comes along with that, I've worked hard and earned what I have. I've always been cautious how I spend and on what I spend, some say I make nickles squeak. There's no frame of reference that I have which can help me understand what these people are doing or why.

From my view, if everyone works hard, applies themselves, catches a good break or two, they'll have a pretty decent life. Why would anyone want to damage or destroy, or make it any harder than that? I just can't relate to it.

But what I do know is I don't like it. Not so much for myself, but for our children, as they are going to have a much harder time achieving even that much in life. It makes me sad and angry at the same time.

If the people who caused this aren't held accountable, there'll be no reason for it not to repeat again in the future, and further damage / destroy our prodigy's possible life outcomes. The people who did this must be held accountable.
 
Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

I honestly have no idea.

Being an immigrant's son, with the work ethic that comes along with that, I've worked hard and earned what I have. I've always been cautious how I spend and on what I spend, some say I make nickles squeak. There's no frame of reference that I have which can help me understand what these people are doing or why.

From my view, if everyone works hard, applies themselves, catches a good break or two, they'll have a pretty decent life. Why would anyone want to damage or destroy, or make it any harder than that? I just can't relate to it.

But what I do know is I don't like it. Not so much for myself, but for our children, as they are going to have a much harder time achieving even that much in life. It makes me sad and angry at the same time.

If the people who caused this aren't held accountable, there'll be no reason for it not to repeat again in the future, and further damage / destroy our prodigy's possible life outcomes. The people who did this must be held accountable.

Im an immigrants son as well. Whats with all the silly BS around these days? Just work hard and you will do fine. Why do things need to be more complicated? Because of the few who wont do fine? Because of those who wont work?
 
Its a wealth redistribution scheme, to take money from the relatively young and healthy and transfer it to the old and sick.

That's exactly how private insurance works too. They are both scams. Taking money from the young and healthy.
 
He's a commie. His objective is to turn the United States inro a socialist, third-world country. This stupid mother****er sees America as the root of all evil.

I can't tell if your talking about Obama, Bush or Reagan. They all increased spending and increased the size of government (Bush to unprecedented amounts). Reagan gave amnesty to illegals and doubled the amount of money my taxes get used to feed people in other countries who I've never met before. Bush spent my tax dollars like they were his own personal credit card. The only difference between liberals and conservatives is liberals admit they like to blow money. Conservatives tell me they don't and sneakily reach into my pocket once they're elected.
 
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Private insurance is generally voluntary. The ACA is not.

You mean it's voluntary if you don't mind not getting health care? Health care itself isn't really voluntary, so I don't know why you would want uninsured people roaming the country. Are you against forcing motorists to carry insurance, too?

Just like with vehicles, the uninsured in health care drive up costs. Think of that giant hospital bill you and your insurance company pay to be akin to a larger version of the uninsured/under-insured policy you pay for with your vehicle.
 
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