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Stupidity of the American Voter?

I don't know. The one thing I know is it is not going anywhere as long as Obama is president. Now depending on how the SCOTUS rules on the subsidies, that could change things. But the more time passes, the more the ACA becomes ingrained in our healthcare system. A blanket repeal won't work now, there is no going back to the old system.

We are stuck with socialized health insurance. Notice I didn't say socialized health care. I just can't understand why the Democrats didn't listen to the people?

Because we are stupid, Pero! I know it's hard to admit, but it must be true since I heard someone say it who sincerely believes what he said! That means that someone has to do our thinking for us, and who better than a government that knows what's best for us? Aren't you glad that we are so fortunate that they care enough to run our lives for us? *cough*
 
I don't know, I've always known increased taxes on Corporations were just passed onto the Consumer.

But the Left wingers have always told me that was bull.

Now, a hard core lefty admits the OBVIOUS as he detailed the iniative to pull the wool over the eyes of all us idiots.

So Gruber's saying the Conservatives of the Country are the only ones who're economically literate.

Well thank you for that Gruber ! You're still a lying POS Liberal
 
Oh, and I thank Gruber for clarifying the whole State subsidies issue !

Hope that comes in handy when SCOTUS takes a look at the latest challenge.
 
Most people have lives away from politics and they rely largely on perceptions. They may be low infos politically but that doesn't mean, as Gruber said, that they are stupid. They are just smart in other areas which have greater interest for them.

Demcrats have been very good at developing perceptions, that the Republicans are racist, anti women, etc. and when its said often enough these people buy into it. As well the MSM plays along with it.

I have a feeling these 'stupid' voters will respond if the message from their leaders is repeated often enough. They just need to be made aware of the lack of respect Obama and his advisers have for them.

Yes, in politics perception is everything. In any political campaign, truth becomes the first casualty. Someone had said that he who lies best and makes the most people believe his lies will win the election. I do think for the most part that is true.

along those line there was this poll:

Just 4% Say Candidates Keep Their Campaign Promises - Rasmussen Reports™

campaign promises are not the same as the lies candidates tell about each other, but I think it falls into the same perview. Candidates know what promises they can keep and which they can't long before they make them. So it does sort of fall into the lie arena.
 
ObamaCare isn't " affordable ".

Thats the paradox, or the contradiction. Remember ? They had to LIE to get it through a Democrat Congress.

According to the key architect, by design it raies cost for the young and healthy.

That would be the bulk of the Middle class.

I think the libs on this board know the gig is up...that's why some of them are now talking up HSAs as if they are manna from heaven. It's their way of begrudgedly admitting that Americans are getting screwed with extremely high deductibles under obamacare.
 
Yeah LOL. Only a Democrat would call the agenda put forth by the Democrats moderate, but it isn't to all those Americans in the middle, the center left and center right crowd, moderates if you will. This nation and the voters have a long history of kicking out a party that goes to far left or right. You seen it in 2006 when the voters decided they had enough of the conservative agenda, you saw it again in 2010, the ACA and in 2014 when the voters decided they had enough of the liberal agenda.

Here is something to put in your pipe and smoke, to think about:

Majority in U.S. Want GOP in Congress to Set Nation's Course

I think Obama fatigue has set in, the only question is will it stay like Bush fatigue did from 2006 into 2008 or can he right his ship? I'll be watching that.

I think it's too late for him to right the course. And he is too much of a narcissist to accept that he has driven his party off the cliff.
 
I think it's too late for him to right the course. And he is too much of a narcissist to accept that he has driven his party off the cliff.
It's doomed Hillary as well, even if she does run as the anti-Obama.
 
It's doomed Hillary as well, even if she does run as the anti-Obama.

As the elections last week proved....a democrat running away from Obama no longer works.
 
The dems dont care about "the people", they care about their agenda and are more than willing to lie to achieve that. I think measures to gut the ACA are still very much doable, this isn't as entrenched as say social security (which I also oppose).

I think social security is needed, there are people who can't save for retirement or just won't. I really do not know what is doable when it comes to the ACA. I do know it was rushed through without much thought and the American people are against it. It does seem it was born with lies and lies have continued now for 5 years.
 
I'd expect Obama to veto anything from congress as long as he's in power, but what can he do against SCOTUS?

That all depends on how the SCOTUS rules. Will the SCOTUS rule for what the law says in black and white or will they rule against that and go with what Democrats in congress say they meant to say or write in the law even though they didn't.
 
I think social security is needed, there are people who can't save for retirement or just won't. I really do not know what is doable when it comes to the ACA. I do know it was rushed through without much thought and the American people are against it. It does seem it was born with lies and lies have continued now for 5 years.

Perhaps they won't save because they're relying on the government to look after them. I hope the money is there but a $20 trillion debt and an aging population is a hard nut to overcome. We may actually have to go back to helping our neighbors again.
 
I think it's too late for him to right the course. And he is too much of a narcissist to accept that he has driven his party off the cliff.

That may depend on how the Democrats react to last week. Several posters had said the Democrats loss was due to the fact they failed to get their message across, if they stick with that then they didn't learn anything. Some posters blamed turn out, but according to the exist polls more Democrats turned out to vote than Republicans by a 37-34 margin. Blame turnout and again they fail to learn anything from last week.

I have only one thing to say to both parties, "It's the economy stupid." The Democrats were elected in 2008 to fix the economy, instead they concentrated on health care. 78% of those who voted said they were worried about about the economy in the years ahead. This is where priority number one should be focused by both parties, not on immigration reform being rattled about by the president. Listening to him he didn't learn anything either.

Did the Republicans?
 
Perhaps they won't save because they're relying on the government to look after them. I hope the money is there but a $20 trillion debt and an aging population is a hard nut to overcome. We may actually have to go back to helping our neighbors again.

I grew up in the 50's when all the social safety net was social security. Helping each other out is exactly what we did. Speaking of the social net, did you see this poll:

Medicare - Rasmussen Reports™
 
I think social security is needed, there are people who can't save for retirement or just won't. I really do not know what is doable when it comes to the ACA. I do know it was rushed through without much thought and the American people are against it. It does seem it was born with lies and lies have continued now for 5 years.

With SS I think it should be gradually faded out, maybe with the boomers, maybe anyone over 40 can keep it, or make it optional. I would have much more if I invested that money that has been involuntarily taken from me for years by the time I retire. One size fits all aint my thing.
 
That all depends on how the SCOTUS rules. Will the SCOTUS rule for what the law says in black and white or will they rule against that and go with what Democrats in congress say they meant to say or write in the law even though they didn't.

Isn't it just a yes or no thing? With any additional q's addressed first in lower courts and then if and only if-they'd "clarify" with another ruling.
 
I grew up in the 50's when all the social safety net was social security. Helping each other out is exactly what we did. Speaking of the social net, did you see this poll:

Medicare - Rasmussen Reports™

Welfare existed in the 1950's. You may not have been aware of it, but it was there.
 
And it was a spec compared to the massive entitlement bureaucracy we have now-the one who defines success by the number of people suckling on the tax payers teat.

Well if we ever paid the money back, that might would be a valid assessment. Since we just refi that debt, we are sucking off Asia's teat.
 
With SS I think it should be gradually faded out, maybe with the boomers, maybe anyone over 40 can keep it, or make it optional. I would have much more if I invested that money that has been involuntarily taken from me for years by the time I retire. One size fits all aint my thing.

I understand the sentiments. But some people, how many is anyone's guess wouldn't save or invest a penny.
 
Isn't it just a yes or no thing? With any additional q's addressed first in lower courts and then if and only if-they'd "clarify" with another ruling.

My understanding is 2 appeal courts ruled in favor of going with what Democrat congressmen said they meant, not what they wrote and 1 appeal court ruled in favor of what the law actually said on paper and not what Democratic congressmen said they meant. So the split in the appeals courts means the SCOTUS will have to rule.
 
With Americans everything has to be softened rather than agressively straight forward. They dislike blunt realism. That's why their politicans get away with murder. They make softened up reality speeches and Americans buy what they say. It took me a while to deal with this, but after you get over it, you just accept that this is how Americans are and treat them with kid gloves. They will do anything you say to avoid hard truths. They dont want to think of third world labor as sweat shop labor for instance.
 
Welfare existed in the 1950's. You may not have been aware of it, but it was there.

Like what? Most of what I saw was done by the community, churches, charities, etc. What are you calling welfare?
 
Bush lied about WMDs, Clinton lied about Monica, Bush 1 lied about taxes, Reagan lied about Iran...Ron Paul is the only truth telling politician and you are still asleep if you think your Republican representatives are honest. There's your answer.


The only truth telling politician? I think you're confusing him with George Washington.

You appear to be a Ron Paul groupie. Can you read for comprehension, because it doesn't appear so? Maybe read minds? Please point out to me where I stated, or even implied what I might think about my Republican representatives. You can't.

Who's being dishonest now? That's your answer.
 
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