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Mexican Officials Detail Horrific Scenario For Murdered Students

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Mexican Officials Detail Horrific Scenario For Murdered Students
11.09.2014

MEXICO CITY — Drug gang members have described a horrific effort to make 43 teachers college students disappear, detailing an industrial-scale effort involving piling their bodies like cord wood on a pyre that burned for 15 hours and then wading into the ashes to pulverize, bag and dispose of remaining teeth and bones. Mexico's Attorney General Jesus Murillo Karam laid out Friday what investigators think happened to the students who have not been seen since being attacked by police Sept. 26 in the southern city of Iguala.

He played video of presumed gang members confessing, and another video showed hundreds of charred fragments of bone and teeth that had been dumped in and along the San Juan River in the neighboring town of Cocula. According to confessions, the students were driven to killing grounds in a dump truck so tightly packed about 15 of the young men suffocated to death. The others were then slain, apparently shot to death before being burned.

Authorities say the high level of degradation caused by the fire makes identification difficult, and they are sending remains to a specialized laboratory in Austria. Some 74 people have been detained so far in the case, including Iguala's Mayor and his wife, who have been found to have ties to organized crime. Parents reacting to Murillo Karam's report said they have lost trust in anything the government says.

"As long as there are no results, our sons are alive," said Felipe de la Cruz, the father of one of the disappeared. "Today they're trying to close the case this way ... a blatant way to further our torture by the federal government."

NBCNews

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Iguala Mayor Jose Luis Abarca and his wife Maria de los Angeles Pineda who were arrested on the run in Mexico City. They are believed to have ties to a drug cartel and ordered the massacre

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Refuse dump near Cocula, Mexico where the the 43 bodies were incinerated

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Demonstrators set fire to the door of the main entrance of the Mexican National Palace in Mexico City

Horrific. 74 have so far been arrested including 36 police officers. Over 100,000 have died violently due to drugs and corruption in Mexico since 2007.
 
Why did so many students had to be massacred again?
 
Why did so many students had to be massacred again?
In late September, 49 teaching students from rural Guerrero state were on their way to Mexico City to take part in a memorial event. Passing through the city of Iguala, they commandeered three school buses. The local police arrived and the students said they had permission to use the buses. The police opened fire killing six of the students and took the remaining 43 away. They were never seen again.

It seems the Iguala mayor and his wife were supposed to have a political event that night and didn't want the student killings to ruin it. So they ordered the police to deliver the remaining 43 students to the Guerreros Unidos drug cartel of which mayor Abarca was an operative. Cartel members were instructed to make the students disappear. What happened then is recounted in the OP.

In regards to violence and corruption in Mexico, this horrific event may be a tipping point. The protesting crowds are getting larger, more aggressive, and are demanding President Peña Nieto’s resignation.
 
Simpleχity;1063959878 said:
Over 100,000 have died violently due to drugs and corruption in Mexico since 2007.

And this in a country that's a "gun-free zone," with one gun store to serve 120 million people and stiff penalties for owning or possessing illegal weapons, unless you have the resources to bribe a judge.
 
Simpleχity;1063960052 said:
In late September, 49 teaching students from rural Guerrero state were on their way to Mexico City to take part in a memorial event. Passing through the city of Iguala, they commandeered three school buses. The local police arrived and the students said they had permission to use the buses. The police opened fire killing six of the students and took the remaining 43 away. They were never seen again.

It seems the Iguala mayor and his wife were supposed to have a political event that night and didn't want the student killings to ruin it. So they ordered the police to deliver the remaining 43 students to the Guerreros Unidos drug cartel of which mayor Abarca was an operative. Cartel members were instructed to make the students disappear. What happened then is recounted in the OP.

In regards to violence and corruption in Mexico, this horrific event may be a tipping point. The protesting crowds are getting larger, more aggressive, and are demanding President Peña Nieto’s resignation.

That is true, but we are questioning how the CSI team from Argentina could not find any traces of the bodies, just ashes.

A crematorium needs to use a very high temperature fire to incinerate a body, one at a time, then use a crusher to smash the bones.

We are being led to believe that 43 bodies were burned to ashes with gasoline, diesel and trash on top of them.

I find that story lacking in believability.
 
That is true, but we are questioning how the CSI team from Argentina could not find any traces of the bodies, just ashes.

A crematorium needs to use a very high temperature fire to incinerate a body, one at a time, then use a crusher to smash the bones.

We are being led to believe that 43 bodies were burned to ashes with gasoline, diesel and trash on top of them.

I find that story lacking in believability.
The Mexican people don't buy it either. Charred bones/teeth remains being sent to Austria for DNA testing. If this is not the missing students, who is it? And where then are the missing students?
 
Simpleχity;1063962566 said:
The Mexican people don't buy it either. Charred bones/teeth remains being sent to Austria for DNA testing. If this is not the missing students, who is it? And where then are the missing students?

We here in Mexico have heard different stories. It is hard to believe all 43 were burnt there, but we will see.

I have heard rumors or ransoms that are going to be asked for, but if that were true, why the wait?
 
We here in Mexico have heard different stories. It is hard to believe all 43 were burnt there, but we will see.

I have heard rumors or ransoms that are going to be asked for, but if that were true, why the wait?

Do keep us posted and reply us with quotes about this if you can, okay?
 
Families of 43 missing students in Mexico, protesters force closure of Acapulco Airport

November 10, 2014

Armed with machetes, incendiary bombs, picks and shovels, hundreds of protesters and relatives of the 43 students missing since mid-September in Iguala, Mexico occupied Acapulco’s International Airport Monday afternoon to demand that more be done to find the remains of the unaccounted youth. Dozens of buses carrying the protesters blocked access to the airport for more than three hours, and tourists and travelers were seen walking on the highways with their luggage in hand. The entrances to the airport remained closed. Guerrero Governor Rogelio Ortega said in a news conference before the protest that he will not stop the rally. "I'd rather resign," he said.
 
And this in a country that's a "gun-free zone," with one gun store to serve 120 million people and stiff penalties for owning or possessing illegal weapons, unless you have the resources to bribe a judge.

People are massacred in this country... What's your point?
 
Simpleχity;1063959878 said:
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Iguala Mayor Jose Luis Abarca and his wife Maria de los Angeles Pineda who were arrested on the run in Mexico City. They are believed to have ties to a drug cartel and ordered the massacre

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Refuse dump near Cocula, Mexico where the the 43 bodies were incinerated

afp-protesters-try-to-break-into-mexico-citys-national-palace.jpg

Demonstrators set fire to the door of the main entrance of the Mexican National Palace in Mexico City

Horrific. 74 have so far been arrested including 36 police officers. Over 100,000 have died violently due to drugs and corruption in Mexico since 2007.

HORRIBLE country.

I was watching a news show detailing how Mexico City doesn't provide enough clean water to its citizens. It's too expensive, so they just don't do it. People go to rivers and gather water, gather rain water, etc. to get water not provided by the municipal system. In MEXICO CITY.

And corporate America just looooooves to build plants and factories and offices there. I guess because there's no environmental regulation, you can bribe your way in and out of everything, and you don't have to pay decent wages, provide safe equipment, or anything an ethical corporation would do. America is now part of Mexico. Most of our citizens will soon be hispanic.
 
People are massacred in this country... What's your point?

I find it ironic that so many people are slaughtered in a country with some of the most restrictive gun laws on the planet.
 
Why did so many students had to be massacred again?

In addition to what Simplexity said, the students were from a Mexican left wing bastion college. Evidently, the town in quesiton and Guerrero state in general was refusing to hire graduates of the school as teachers.

Guerrero is one of the poorer Mexican states and evidently the mayor of the town ran it like his personal mafia fiefdom. The students went to the town to protest the hiring policy, and probably protest against corruption in general.

The mayor then felt that his fiefdom was under threat. Some protesters were shot by police. Others were arrested and turned over to a narco militia.
 
I find it ironic that so many people are slaughtered in a country with some of the most restrictive gun laws on the planet.

What is ironic about your claim. How would more lenient gun laws have changed the murders and executions committed by firearms?
 
What is ironic about your claim.

Presumably, the purpose of gun-control laws is to reduce gun violence. The irony is that a country with some of the most restrictive gun laws on the planet is also the most violent. You don't see irony in that?

How would more lenient gun laws have changed the murders and executions committed by firearms?

Much of the violence that's occurred in Mexico has taken place between various drug cartels/criminal gangs. To the degree that they destroy each other they perform a public service. But, inevitably, innocents get caught in the crossfire. Where you have a complete breakdown of civil order and the security/judicial systems have been compromised, as in some areas of the country, otherwise law-abiding citizens should be afforded to opportunity to defend themselves.

Mexican citizens take the drug war into their own hands | Public Radio International
 
In addition to what Simplexity said, the students were from a Mexican left wing bastion college. Evidently, the town in quesiton and Guerrero state in general was refusing to hire graduates of the school as teachers.

Guerrero is one of the poorer Mexican states and evidently the mayor of the town ran it like his personal mafia fiefdom. The students went to the town to protest the hiring policy, and probably protest against corruption in general.

The mayor then felt that his fiefdom was under threat. Some protesters were shot by police. Others were arrested and turned over to a narco militia.

Thanks Cryptic,

So this is meritocracy and freedom vs fiefdom event then. Even sadder news to the free world! :(
 
Thanks Cryptic,

So this is meritocracy and freedom vs fiefdom event then. Even sadder news to the free world! :(

Yes, very much so. It also has the potential to grow. Mexico had a small leftist movement in the 1970s that was also put down by government forces and hired thugs causing the students in question to "disappear".

I dont know if the leftists in Mexico have enough strength to form their own militia and launch vengeance attacks, but it would not take many dedicated fighters to have a big impact given the general ineffectiveness of the Mexican army.
 
Yes, very much so. It also has the potential to grow. Mexico had a small leftist movement in the 1970s that was also put down by government forces and hired thugs causing the students in question to "disappear".

I dont know if the leftists in Mexico have enough strength to form their own militia and launch vengeance attacks, but it would not take many dedicated fighters to have a big impact given the general ineffectiveness of the Mexican army.

The army may be ineffective, but the drug cartels are not. For one they manage to stand against the army also. Plus in these cases both the police and the cartels got involved. Thus the militia should be strong enough to handle both the cartels that stand behind feudals as well as the governmental army.
 
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