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CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

All the more reason to do the nastiness now and not wait till their intercontinental delivery is in place.

I would like to hear more public discussion by military experts about the possibility of using a blockade against the Islamist regime in Tehran. Iran, whose economy relies heavily on oil exports, and which has a long coastline and a very weak navy, seems to be vulnerable to one. Why could empty tankers en route to Iranian ports not be turned back well outside the Straits of Hormuz, while tankers bound for other Gulf ports were escorted in and back out again?

No doubt other Gulf nations, seeing the opportunity to sell more of their own oil, would increase their production to make up for what was no longer coming from Iran. The notion that Iran could block the Strait against the world's most powerful navy, using swarms of speedboats, strikes me as alarmist and far-fetched. And it might choose not even to try, if the U.S. made clear it would respond by destroying Iran's nuclear sites and many other military targets from the air. The regime might not survive the humiliation either way, but the idea would be to make it accept a blockade as the lesser of two evils.

President Kennedy used a blockade in 1962 to prevent any further deliveries of Soviet nuclear missiles to Cuba. Even though the USSR had an enormously powerful military with about 3,000 nuclear weapons, it chose not to challenge the blockade with force. Part of the reason it did not was that Kennedy had made clear the blockade was a first step, and that depending on how the USSR responded, other actions might follow. He was obviously referring to air strikes on the missile bases in Cuba as a next step, and after that a full-out invasion. The fact about 1,000 armed aircraft and 100,000 troops had been moved into position to do these things made the implied threat something Khrushchev and his advisers had to take very seriously.

This President's pandering to the Khomeinists has allowed them to come very close to making nuclear weapons. If they get them, Israel may not be able to survive under that pressure, and nations like Saudi Arabia will probably try to get nuclear weapons of their own. What's not talked about as much is that a nuclear-armed Islamist Iran, with so many terrorist proxies at its disposal, would present this country with a threat of nuclear terrorism that we could never afford to live with.
 
I would like to hear more public discussion by military experts about the possibility of using a blockade against the Islamist regime in Tehran. Iran, whose economy relies heavily on oil exports, and which has a long coastline and a very weak navy, seems to be vulnerable to one. Why could empty tankers en route to Iranian ports not be turned back well outside the Straits of Hormuz, while tankers bound for other Gulf ports were escorted in and back out again?

No doubt other Gulf nations, seeing the opportunity to sell more of their own oil, would increase their production to make up for what was no longer coming from Iran. The notion that Iran could block the Strait against the world's most powerful navy, using swarms of speedboats, strikes me as alarmist and far-fetched. And it might choose not even to try, if the U.S. made clear it would respond by destroying Iran's nuclear sites and many other military targets from the air. The regime might not survive the humiliation either way, but the idea would be to make it accept a blockade as the lesser of two evils.

President Kennedy used a blockade in 1962 to prevent any further deliveries of Soviet nuclear missiles to Cuba. Even though the USSR had an enormously powerful military with about 3,000 nuclear weapons, it chose not to challenge the blockade with force. Part of the reason it did not was that Kennedy had made clear the blockade was a first step, and that depending on how the USSR responded, other actions might follow. He was obviously referring to air strikes on the missile bases in Cuba as a next step, and after that a full-out invasion. The fact about 1,000 armed aircraft and 100,000 troops had been moved into position to do these things made the implied threat something Khrushchev and his advisers had to take very seriously.

This President's pandering to the Khomeinists has allowed them to come very close to making nuclear weapons. If they get them, Israel may not be able to survive under that pressure, and nations like Saudi Arabia will probably try to get nuclear weapons of their own. What's not talked about as much is that a nuclear-armed Islamist Iran, with so many terrorist proxies at its disposal, would present this country with a threat of nuclear terrorism that we could never afford to live with.

Iran has a very long land boarder that is already used to undermine the present sanctions. I assume that a blockade would require cutting off that route also.
 
By talking to Iran, Obama has done more to stop it than Bush did. All Bush did was wag his finger at them.

I will ask you the same question: If we knew Iran was researching nuclear weapons (which we did), and there's no way to stop it short of military action (debateable, but since that's the usual conservative response, I'll give it to you), why invade Iraq instead of Iran? It would seem to me that Iran was a much bigger threat to security than Saddam was in his wildest dreams.

You are really all over the place. Obama is absolutely fine with Iran gettting nukes, he hasn't done anything to stop it-what he's done is posture for political capital here.

Why didn't Clinton invade Iran?
 
I'm not sure there's a way to stop proliferation. The secrets are out there, and there to be had if the price is right.

The best thing is to maintain our arsenal as a deterrent and make it clear that we're not going to stand by if they are used. It's also possibly the world's worst kept "secret" that Israel has nuclear weapons, which is another strong deterrent for Iran.

Sounds like you are ok with the worlds largest state sponsor of terrorism getting nukes. And Israel has already stated it WILL go to war with Iran should they get a nuke, or even get close.
 
Iraq invasion will go down in history as the single biggest, US fustercluck of ALL time.
 
The one thing I have a problem with is, all using the excuse that Maliki was weak. Yet here was a weak leader and a weak government, with weak Armed Forces.....and yet we couldn't get them to agree to our terms for a SOFA. Here BO and his team couldn't find a way to use all their Elite liberal mannerisms and get this weak Leader and Weak government to come to terms with a deal.

Yet it was BO's own people who said that BO and Team didn't like Maliki......that he didn't care for Maliki like he didn't care for Karzi.

Now you know, there was a model that BO could have followed. I believe the Sicilians perfected it with those they don't like. Note: it was called Strictly Business.

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Good point.
 
I'd put it in second place, right after the invasion of Vietnam.

It's going to cost the world more eventually in the continuation of the terrorist philosophy and justification. 'Spreading democracy' is authoritarian speak for 'conquering the world'.
 
Iran has a very long land boarder that is already used to undermine the present sanctions. I assume that a blockade would require cutting off that route also.

Usually much less oil can be sent through pipelines than can be sent by sea. There must be good reasons why Iran exports so much oil through the Gulf, and I suspect it would pinch its economy very hard for that route to be cut off.
 
Usually much less oil can be sent through pipelines than can be sent by sea. There must be good reasons why Iran exports so much oil through the Gulf, and I suspect it would pinch its economy very hard for that route to be cut off.

I must see if I can find a study or two.
 
It's going to cost the world more eventually in the continuation of the terrorist philosophy and justification. 'Spreading democracy' is authoritarian speak for 'conquering the world'.

Of course, democracy is a more efficient social technology than the competitors. But like any technology you have to be able to handle it.
 
Of course, democracy is a more efficient social technology than the competitors. But like any technology you have to be able to handle it.

Handle and accept it. People don't like to be told how to think and live, it kind of makes them 'controlled' and 'enslaved'.
 
Handle and accept it. People don't like to be told how to think and live, it kind of makes them 'controlled' and 'enslaved'.

But it is, of course, rather like cutting your nose off in spite, to use a technology that is inefficient, because someone else told you about it . You would almost have to be an imbecile.

The main problem usually is that small local groups stand to lose their privileges.
 
But it is, of course, rather like cutting your nose off in spite, to use a technology that is inefficient, because someone else told you about it . You would almost have to be an imbecile.

They're uneducated about our system and it's effectiveness, and brainwashed to be emotionally biased. I chose to smoke cigarettes for 25 years knowing the health issues related, I was stupidly inexperienced. The difference between knowing and believing something is time and experience.

I, personally, don't think the world is better off as one humongous blend of culture with no diversity, regardless if it creates differences in materialistic equality.
 
They're uneducated about our system and it's effectiveness, and brainwashed to be emotionally biased. I chose to smoke cigarettes for 25 years knowing the health issues related, I was stupidly inexperienced. The difference between knowing and believing something is time and experience.

I, personally, don't think the world is better off as one humongous blend of culture with no diversity, regardless if it creates differences in materialistic equality.

That about says it . I might add one observation.
The main factor is less the material betterment than the greater security the individual has versus government.
 
Im talking about the actual appointed head of govt. The one who decides when and where to send troops.

We don't appoint heads of state in the USA.

We elect our leaders. Right now, the elected leader is one Barack Obama.
Before him, back when the invasion of Iraq was taking place, the elected leader was one George Bush.
 
That about says it . I might add one observation.
The main factor is less the material betterment than the greater security the individual has versus government.

But you know the saying by Ben Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither."
 
We don't appoint heads of state in the USA.

We elect our leaders. Right now, the elected leader is one Barack Obama.
Before him, back when the invasion of Iraq was taking place, the elected leader was one George Bush.

Ok, now we are getting somewhere. Who presided over the withdrawal of troops in Iraq, and the subsequent rise of ISIS in Iraq?

Thats who's at the wheel. Own it.
 
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