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CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

MMC said:
Mornin' Gladiator. :2wave: Good to see you back around. ;) This was from Oct 21st and the New Iraqi PM. This is what our people are caught up in. Despite trying to help them from losing their country. If you check back in the thread, with what the Sunni have now come out and said, and al Nusra wiping out whats left of the Syrian Rebels. You can see why BO's plan has gone kaaaaaput.


Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said Monday he wouldn't allow any foreign troops into the country to help retake territory lost to a Sunni Arab uprising being led by the so-called Islamic State. His comments were widely reported. But the following remark arguably didn't get sufficient attention: “We don’t need foreign combat troops. And there is no country in the world which would be willing to fight here and give you back your land even if they were asked to," he said.

But now Abadi has effectively said that if given a chance the US would have designs on Iraqi territory. His comment that foreign help isn't needed is risible – the failures of the Iraqi army in Mosul and Anbar provinces show that. But his comments, while popular in Iraq, could further endanger any US troops there.

This is the environment that a few hundred US military advisers and diplomats are operating in, not in the badlands of Anbar but in the heart of Baghdad. And hatred for the US runs fairly deep among the country's Shiite militias, as AFP reported, citing a policeman in Baghdad.....snip~

Iraqi PM Abadi says the US is not to be trusted. Really?
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Obama's previously described plan for the Syrian Rebels is problematic, I agree.

But this 1500 Troop increase is to man centers for the Kurds, to the North, and for the Iraqi forces, West of Baghdad.

The Middle East is fluid, and if the US must update its plans, probably once a week, to suit new opportunities/dangers.



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Gladiator said:
Obama's previously described plan for the Syrian Rebels is problematic, I agree.

But this 1500 Troop increase is to man centers for the Kurds, to the North, and for the Iraqi forces, West of Baghdad.

The Middle East is fluid, and if the US must update its plans, probably once a week, to suit new opportunities/dangers.



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We have to do more than roll with the punches......The others are with 60k Iraqi troops protecting Baghdad.....then we have some in around Baghdad Airport. The Embassy too.
 
MMC said:
I was wrong on when BO sent aid.....that's about it! 75 Missiles.....I missed that part. But I am glad you did point out the rest arrived in 2014. Like I said. What happened did you forget to bring up that I pointed this out. Looks like I was Right as well as being wrong when Bo sent the Aid. But then I was going by the NY Times piece.
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I never denied that aid arrived in 2014. I simply stated aid arrived in 2013 as well.


Did you want to share with all.....how BO's strategy has come to a failure. Or did you skip that part like you did when I said the aid was shipped in 2014.
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I think its wayy to much of a oversimplification to blame this all on "BO". It has to deal with the invasion in the first place back in 2003. It has to do deal with the debaathfication. It has to deal with Sunnis bascially being bared from any representation in governemnt. It has to deal with the failure of Iraqi military.
 
US Conservative said:
ISIS exists in Iraq today because president chump left Iraq to the wolves. We left, they filled the vacuum, and as a result many more have been and will be killed. Obama lost the peace in Iraq.
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Who created the vacuum? Who gave us Maliki and his "no Sunnis need apply" government?
 
Of course, none of these boots will be on the ground...:roll:

There goes that promise.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I never denied that aid arrived in 2014. I simply stated aid arrived in 2013 as well.




I think its wayy to much of a oversimplification to blame this all on "BO". It has to deal with the invasion in the first place back in 2003. It has to do deal with the debaathfication. It has to deal with Sunnis bascially being bared from any representation in governemnt. It has to deal with the failure of Iraqi military.
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Not if one goes by BO's own words about not letting AQ have any Safehaven.....which is why he was for the War in Afghanistan. So with his own principle.....and knowing all along what was taking place with ISIL back in 2011......AQ in Iraq. Then all of what is being dealt with now. Does fall upon him and his policy for Iraq.....and now for his Strategy for ISIS.

As his allies don't trust him. That's with the Sunni Coalition. Then as I have shown.....the Shia don't trust him. Al Sadr wants the US driven out and he acts for al Sistani. Now the New Iraqi PM doesn't trust him.
 
MMC said:
Not if one goes by BO's own words about not letting AQ have any Safehaven.....which is why he was for the War in Afghanistan.
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Ok.. Again this goes way beyond blaming one person...

So with his own principle.....and knowing all along what was taking place with ISIL back in 2011......AQ in Iraq. Then all of what is being dealt with now. Does fall upon him and his policy for Iraq.....and now for his Strategy for ISIS.
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Again. Not you cannot blame this simply on one person. Even if we left troops in Iraq that does not mean ISIS would be formed...

As his allies don't trust him. That's with the Sunni Coalition. Then as I have shown.....the Shia don't trust him. Al Sadr wants the US driven out and he acts for al Sistani. Now the New Iraqi PM doesn't trust him.
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Sure they dont. Thats why they are on their hands and knees for us....
 
Gladiator said:
Maybe the Middle East is a balance of competing forces. At the time that Obama withdrew US Troops, the US may have been more resented by the Iraqis. Staying longer may have built up more resentment against the US. Now the Iraqis are asking for assistance from the US.

One of the desired results of US policy is to have a reserve of respect from other nations. Obama has avoided over-playing US Power. Eventually, the ideal is for the Middle Eastern Nations, Tribes and Religions, to have a balance of power without US intervention or threats. Obama has been successful in avoiding creating more resentment than necessary.

If there was one clear solution that could be imposed and result in peace, then leadership in the sense of imposing boundaries would be possible. There is no clear solution for the Tribes and Nations that have been at war periodically over many centuries. When the balance is shifting toward massacre, then it is time for the US to step in, with minimal assistance, to avoid mass murders.
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The US had already 'stepped in' and Iraq was 'stable'. Now it is chaos and future more uncertain.

What BHO didnt realize is that it takes two sides to agree to peace and a ceasefire, but then foreign policy was never his strong suit.
 
Gladiator said:
Maybe the Middle East is a balance of competing forces. At the time that Obama withdrew US Troops, the US may have been more resented by the Iraqis. Staying longer may have built up more resentment against the US. Now the Iraqis are asking for assistance from the US.

One of the desired results of US policy is to have a reserve of respect from other nations. Obama has avoided over-playing US Power. Eventually, the ideal is for the Middle Eastern Nations, Tribes and Religions, to have a balance of power without US intervention or threats. Obama has been successful in avoiding creating more resentment than necessary.

If there was one clear solution that could be imposed and result in peace, then leadership in the sense of imposing boundaries would be possible. There is no clear solution for the Tribes and Nations that have been at war periodically over many centuries. When the balance is shifting toward massacre, then it is time for the US to step in, with minimal assistance, to avoid mass murders.


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Obama was caught red handed spying on dozens of other nations and world leaders. Tell me more about that reserve of respect.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I think its wayy to much of a oversimplification to blame this all on "BO". It has to deal with the invasion in the first place back in 2003. It has to do deal with the debaathfication. It has to deal with Sunnis bascially being bared from any representation in governemnt. It has to deal with the failure of Iraqi military.
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Obama never mentioned any problems or foreseeable problems when he announced the departure of US Troops. In fact he appeared to take credit for all the success. Obama Flashback: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq'
 
Gladiator said:
The advantage of BO leaving Iraq, was to make it clear the US is not interested in colonizing Iraq.
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We never were-how much of their oil do we get after the lefts supposed "war for oil"?

Now, the disadvantage of BO leaving Iraq is that it has allowed ISIS to flourish and its also set a precedence to terrorists around the world-keep a low profile till we leave, and then the coast is clear.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Cool beans. Do you have a point your trying to make?
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I explained the point earlier after you supplied the link. This move is done only to appear something is being done. What 'advice' do you believe these 'advisers' will be giving? Do you really believe anyone will pay attention to them?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ok.. Again this goes way beyond blaming one person...


Again. Not you cannot blame this simply on one person. Even if we left troops in Iraq that does not mean ISIS would be formed...


Sure they dont. Thats why they are on their hands and knees for us....
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Okay, you can also assign blame to AQ.....have to blame them as without them there is no enemy, and would be no conflict with ISIS. So lets not forget them.

Although, AQ was chased out of Iraq. Once knowing we were drawing down and leaving they returned. All returning back after BO said he was pulling out. They then became ISIL. Dealing with them was an Iraqi Problem. One that they couldn't deal with and BO and his team was then given notice. But then didn't aggressively pursue and Outright Enemy who would then destabilize 2 countries, expand and declare war on Christians, Rome, and then us.

Yeah they pray like that.....but that doesn't stop al Sadr leading protests. Nor does it stop al Sistani from influencing that Iraqi PM.
 
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