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CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

Another strawman. As if I can't rationally criticize our if Im not a "D". See how silly this is?

Except every time you say you can "debunk a strawman" you just post a giant picture and say, "See!"
 
hey look, Obama made a hard(and correct) decision that might upset the liberal base. That only took SIX YEARS. If he had made the hard decision when he first took office instead of forcing through far left legislation when SO MANY other issues in dire need.
 
There was no SOFA which is exactly what the President wanted...

This is whats most amazing to me. Obama ran on getting out of Iraq. He campaigned to get of Iraq twice. He claimed it was safe there despite his generals warnings, and then after pulling out its somehow blamed on SOFA. Thats simply a discredited and silly argument.
 
Whos at the wheel, Obama or Bush?

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.[SUP][1][/SUP] The pact required criminal charges for holding prisoners over 24 hours, and required a warrant for searches of homes and buildings that were not related to combat.[SUP][1][/SUP] U.S. contractors working for U.S. forces would have been subject to Iraqi criminal law, while contractors working for the State Department and other U.S. agencies would retain their immunity. If U.S. forces committed still undecided "major premeditated felonies" while off-duty and off-base, they would have been subjected to an undecided procedures laid out by a joint U.S.-Iraq committee if the U.S. certified the forces were off-duty.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP]
The agreement expired at midnight on December 31, 2011, even though the United States completed its final withdrawal of troops from Iraq on December 16, 2011. The symbolic ceremony in Baghdad officially "cased" (retired) the flag of U.S. forces in Iraq, according to army tradition.[SUP][5][/SUP]
 
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.[SUP][1][/SUP] The pact required criminal charges for holding prisoners over 24 hours, and required a warrant for searches of homes and buildings that were not related to combat.[SUP][1][/SUP] U.S. contractors working for U.S. forces would have been subject to Iraqi criminal law, while contractors working for the State Department and other U.S. agencies would retain their immunity. If U.S. forces committed still undecided "major premeditated felonies" while off-duty and off-base, they would have been subjected to an undecided procedures laid out by a joint U.S.-Iraq committee if the U.S. certified the forces were off-duty.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP]
The agreement expired at midnight on December 31, 2011, even though the United States completed its final withdrawal of troops from Iraq on December 16, 2011. The symbolic ceremony in Baghdad officially "cased" (retired) the flag of U.S. forces in Iraq, according to army tradition.[SUP][5][/SUP]

Whos at the wheel, Obama or Bush?
 
But lets focus on where we share common ground-we both agree that genocidal ISIS has flourished under Obama. So thats good.

:lamo I love your clear partisan hackery. "Uhh no lets focus on Obama! Not the whole picture!". You basically even admitted it.
 
:lamo I love your clear partisan hackery. "Uhh no lets focus on Obama! Not the whole picture!". You basically even admitted it.

I can admit who's POTUS, many here can't seem to do that. BTW, Obama made the right move by sending in troops, but its a day late and a dollar short. Its a dog and pony show-I prefer definitive substance.
 
I can admit who's POTUS, many here can't seem to do that.
But you refuse to talk about the historical subjects, and past reasons that have brought us here right?

BTW, Obama made the right move by sending in troops, but its a day late and a dollar short. Its a dog and pony show-I prefer definitive substance.

Dog and pony show? Not this is not a "dog and pony show" this is continuing the **** up which has already been started. Until a president finally realizes that we cannot be the policemen of the world and stop this **** we will always be here on this continuous war bull**** which only satisfies the military industrial complex (which a GOP POTUS warned us about).
 
I'm not gonna get into an argument if "Saddam suppressed that beast, etc". But one thing we know for 100% sure is that the invasion of Iraq, the debaathification, and the oppression of the Sunnis released the beast

You're unsure of the impacts of 2 decades of the obliteration of social capital through the most inhumane methods utilized by a dictatorship since WWII?

Perhaps you should take a minute and consider it.
 
You're unsure of the impacts of 2 decades of the obliteration of social capital through the most inhumane methods utilized by a dictatorship since WWII?

Perhaps you should take a minute and consider it.

There are many dictators that were as bad or as worse as Saddam that are not confronting the conflict Iraq is currently.
 
There are many dictators that were as bad or as worse as Saddam that are not confronting the conflict Iraq is currently.

Someone else committed genocide twice, 200k and 50k, and institutionalized rape during a 2 decade crony dictatorship? Who.
 
Someone else committed genocide twice, 200k and 50k, and institutionalized rape during a 2 decade crony dictatorship? Who.

Dafur, Guatmala, Turkey (off the top of my head) ... Or do they have to just be under that time frame? Because if we are all about "human rights" then this is going to go nowhere..
 
Someone else committed genocide twice, 200k and 50k, and institutionalized rape during a 2 decade crony dictatorship? Who.

Because then again, we backed the Iraqi regime during many of their worst human rights abuses, and also bacekd many regimes that have pretty ****ty human rights abuses, but then again I know what you are going to say, "context" or "we must be realists" which then again shows the problem of our foreign policy...
 
Because then again, we backed the Iraqi regime during many of their worst human rights abuses, and also bacekd many regimes that have pretty ****ty human rights abuses, but then again I know what you are going to say, "context" or "we must be realists" which then again shows the problem of our foreign policy...

Do you have specific plans for how it should be done in the future ? In the parameters of this topic ?

Thom Paine
 
Because then again, we backed the Iraqi regime during many of their worst human rights abuses, and also bacekd many regimes that have pretty ****ty human rights abuses, but then again I know what you are going to say, "context" or "we must be realists" which then again shows the problem of our foreign policy...

The first genocide was in the late '80s. The US lead international sanctions against Saddam, banning arms sales, in 1984.
 
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