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Texas Town Votes To Bar Fracking in City Limits

Henry David said:
It goes into their drinking water.

R U obtuse, or just not paying attention?
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Post a link about drinking water that is contaminaed with man made chemicals.
 
Henry David said:
Because they don't get the fluid splashed on their clothes everyday.

Have you heard of accidents in the workplace? They do happen. The man who showed up at the ER in Colorado had suffered a workplace accident. Is that beyond your understanding?
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Any idea how many work related injuries have been directly related to fracking? It's been around for over 60 years so there should be quite a pile of them by now. http://globalenergyinitiative.org/i...nd-since-1949-why-the-recent-controversy.html
 
d0gbreath said:
That was quite in depth trucker. Do you really understand the jest of your link?

Slideshare doesn't allow copy paste for non-members. They said right in there that they found 5 instances for dirty water over the Barnett shale (under my house). One was faulty cement casing, three instances of faulty drill casings, and one faulty well. I don't trust them for a minute. All they claimed was that they found no instances of water contamination from gases migrating up from a mile or more beneath the surface. The study is from 2012. It proves nothing.

Look up the multiple instances of earthquakes near Azle, Texas (not far from me). Many, many of them in an area that never had one before in recorded history. When the earth shakes, the gases can rise.

Beside, your study is on gases, it's liquids that I've been referring to.
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So you're starting off by inferring that I don't understand what I posted, then you feel the need to dismiss it because it doesn't agree with you, yet, we are supposed to believe and hold definitive a group of doctors that banded together all holding borderline extremist views on energy, and many other liberal left views on policy, and trust that out of hand....Sorry dude, that's called hackery.
 
Henry David said:
It goes into their drinking water.

R U obtuse, or just not paying attention?
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Do you even know what you are talking about?

When do you think fracking began? It's been in practice in the gas fields in this country since the 1930's, o far I have been unable to document any water contamination at all.

If you can, do. I doubt you can supply a credible link.

This is like the outrage from states like Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio, and all of the middle west and south, over the Keystone XL 4 extension Obama has to wage war over, they don't even know that Keystone in those states has been in place for as much as two decades.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Do you even know what you are talking about?

When do you think fracking began? It's been in practice in the gas fields in this country since the 1930's, o far I have been unable to document any water contamination at all.

If you can, do. I doubt you can supply a credible link.

This is like the outrage from states like Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio, and all of the middle west and south, over the Keystone XL 4 extension Obama has to wage war over, they don't even know that Keystone in those states has been in place for as much as two decades.
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Let's put it this way--there are quite a few articles being written, have been written, videos made, that contradict your statement in general.
 
Henry David said:
Not a clue. But I promise there has been at least one. :mrgreen:
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Don't make promises you can't keep.

If it was dangerous it's quite likely the unions would be all over it, as well as lawmakers. But i get the strong feeling it's the issue du jour for the leftists and will die out as quickly as the Alar on apples hysteria of a few years back.
 
apdst said:
You're talking in circles.
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how is it talking in circles,your arguing because drilling is generally safe fracking must be as well,despite the fact they are entirely different methods.

further the drilling being perfectly safe has been proven false,most recently the bp oil spill,in which the company pretty much refused to clean up its own mess until lawsuits and fines exceeded the cost of fixing it.
 
I'm still trying to figure out why so many conservatives and libertarians, who claim to be in favor of "local control," are so opposed to Denton's doing precisely that. It seems that for some of them, "local control" only counts if it goes their way. When it goes the opposite way, well, we can't have that.
 
beerftw said:
how is it talking in circles,your arguing because drilling is generally safe fracking must be as well,despite the fact they are entirely different methods.

further the drilling being perfectly safe has been proven false,most recently the bp oil spill,in which the company pretty much refused to clean up its own mess until lawsuits and fines exceeded the cost of fixing it.
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I never claimed that drilling is perfectly safe. Nothing is perfectly safe. You want stop going off on whatever crazy tangent that comes to mind?
 
apdst said:
I never claimed that drilling is perfectly safe. Nothing is perfectly safe. You want stop going off on whatever crazy tangent that comes to mind?
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i most certainly can when the argument is whether fracking is safe or not,especially when you were arguing it was perfectly safe to frack in city limits.
 
Phys251 said:
I'm still trying to figure out why so many conservatives and libertarians, who claim to be in favor of "local control," are so opposed to Denton's doing precisely that. It seems that for some of them, "local control" only counts if it goes their way. When it goes the opposite way, well, we can't have that.
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What about jurisdictional authority? Are you in favor of any government entity claiming jurisdictional authority, at will?
 
beerftw said:
i most certainly can when the argument is whether fracking is safe or not,especially when you were arguing it was perfectly safe to frack in city limits.
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Again, I never claimed ANYTHING is perfectly safe.

Second, are you going to show us evidence of anything other than methane contamination of water wells? I asked for that already and you're working your ass off to dodge the request.
 
apdst said:
What about jurisdictional authority? Are you in favor of any government entity claiming jurisdictional authority, at will?
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So you're going to appeal to law-and-order now to overrule Denton's right to govern itself. Because this decision didn't go your way.
 
Phys251 said:
So you're going to appeal to law-and-order now to overrule Denton's right to govern itself. Because this decision didn't go your way.
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Since when does Denton have the right to govern private property?
 
apdst said:
Since when does Denton have the right to govern private property?
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Is this even a serious question? What's next, your wondering whether airplanes fly?
 
Phys251 said:
Is this even a serious question? What's next, your wondering whether airplanes fly?
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Of course it's a serious question; especially since you erroneously believe that any government entity has the right to do anything. Show us what rights the government has. Let me help you out: government doesn't have the RIGHT to do a goddamn thing. Now that we have that cleared up, show us what AUTHORITY The City of Denton has to restrict the exploitation of mineral RIGHTS. Can't wait to see your evidence.
 
apdst said:
Of course it's a serious question; especially since you erroneously believe that any government entity has the right to do anything. Show us what rights the government has. Let me help you out: government doesn't have the RIGHT to do a goddamn thing. Now that we have that cleared up, show us what AUTHORITY The City of Denton has to restrict the exploitation of mineral RIGHTS. Can't wait to see your evidence.
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Awesome! Then we are in agreement that "states rights" are a crock of ****!

Wow, we were on the same page all along!
 
Phys251 said:
Awesome! Then we are in agreement that "states rights" are a crock of ****!

Wow, we were on the same page all along!
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Amazing how you got that from my post. :doh
 
apdst said:
Since when does Denton have the right to govern private property?
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Since it was founded. Cities, states and the federal govt have always had some control over what can and cant be done on private property especially in cases where the effects can spill over to others. Not to mention unless you are doing the fracking on your own property it is a commercial venture and that definitely falls in the realm of govt authority
 
Crovax said:
Since it was founded. Cities, states and the federal govt have always had some control over what can and cant be done on private property especially in cases where the effects can spill over to others. Not to mention unless you are doing the fracking on your own property it is a commercial venture and that definitely falls in the realm of govt authority
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That authority is under the jurisdiction of the state, in Texas. No town, nor county has the authority to ban fracing.
 
apdst said:
That authority is under the jurisdiction of the state, in Texas. No town, nor county has the authority to ban fracing.
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The town most certainly does have the authority. Anything not prohibited by the US or state constitution the city has the right to deny or allow.
 
Crovax said:
The town most certainly does have the authority. Anything not prohibited by the US or state constitution the city has the right to deny or allow.
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Not in this case, since the ban can effect drilling leases that at outside the city limits. Oil & gas formations don't stop and start at the city limits.
 
apdst said:
Not in this case, since the ban can effect drilling leases that at outside the city limits. Oil & gas formations don't stop and start at the city limits.
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How can the ban effect leases outside of city limits? The ban is about the wells built within city limits not a ban on fracking the formations
 
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