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Texas Town Votes To Bar Fracking in City Limits

apdst said:
1) It's hardly mistakable for a communications tower.

2) That's a drilling rig. It is moved off location before the fracing is done.

3) No, that's not the, "parking lot". :lamo

See the crane? That's the wellhead, there in the middle of the location.

Here's another view:

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See the wellhead?
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That pic is from a completely different site than the first pic you posted
 
apdst said:
What air contaminates?
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Here's a quote from a lawsuit near Paris, Texas.

A Texas jury has awarded nearly $3 million to a family for illnesses they suffered from exposure to contaminated groundwater, solid toxic waste and airborne chemicals generated by natural gas fracking operations surrounding their 40-acre ranch, attorneys on the case said.
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Read about the case here.

The specific contaminates are from the chemicals that are not mentioned due to proprietary claims.

Maybe you could tell us the chemicals that are added to the water and sand?

Water and sand, it sounds so harmless. Right?
 
apdst said:
What difference does it make?
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no hillary jokes for you!!


no seriously it makes alot of difference.fracking inside city limits disturbs the peace of the residents there,who were there well before fracking,it would be a different argument if they had moved there after knowing it was there.
 
texas oil regulators donbt have the power to override the city unless the state govt writes it into law,as of current the cities can reject it,and granting a permit does nothing to overwrite city law,to do that a state law would need to be enacted to grant the oil commision power over local govts decisions,.
 
beerftw said:
texas oil regulators donbt have the power to override the city unless the state govt writes it into law,as of current the cities can reject it,and granting a permit does nothing to overwrite city law,to do that a state law would need to be enacted to grant the oil commision power over local govts decisions,.
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The city doesn't have jurisdiction over drilling permits, nor can they void mineral and property rights.
 
beerftw said:
no hillary jokes for you!!


no seriously it makes alot of difference.fracking inside city limits disturbs the peace of the residents there,who were there well before fracking,it would be a different argument if they had moved there after knowing it was there.
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A frac job only lasts about 24 hours (+/-). It isn't a permanent operation. A road construction job makes more noise than a frac job.
 
d0gbreath said:
Here's a quote from a lawsuit near Paris, Texas.



Read about the case here.

The specific contaminates are from the chemicals that are not mentioned due to proprietary claims.

Maybe you could tell us the chemicals that are added to the water and sand?

Water and sand, it sounds so harmless. Right?
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What about the thousands of people who work on frac jobs, everyday, that don't get sick?
 
sangha said:
That pic is from a completely different site than the first pic you posted
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So? They're both photographs of frac jobs, in progress.
 
d0gbreath said:
They said that they were going to only use the tower for radio communications. I figure they would put an antenna on top, use it for radio communications for a couple of weeks, then think to themselves, "Hey, we could frack from that tower, now that I think about it!" LOL

I was not fooled for a moment. My neighbors had a block party to fight a proposed sewage treatment center that they heard about in a rumor. They were incorrect. I was on a bike run that day and couldn't attend the party, but I saw their signs at the main entrance to our kingdom.

Hell, I've told you too much now and you're just going to be confused. Let's keep this simple:

The citizens of Denton, Texas voted to ban hydraulic fracturing within the city limits.

You watch out for your city and we'll watch out for ours.
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I am in the oil business in the transportation side. Why would they disguise a fracking operation as a radio tower? What would they use the tower structure for? The hole would have to already drilled cased and cemented to frack.

Side note most contamination comes from improperly cemented and cased wells.
 
Henry David said:
LOL. Debunked.

Yeah, people with an agenda to (hopefully) get back to having potable water in their house.

Debunked....:lamo
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Fracking is normally done about a mile underground. The water table is only a few hundred feet underground.

Why don't you explain to everyone here how exactly fracking contaminates the water supply?
 
Peter Grimm said:
Fracking is normally done about a mile underground. The water table is only a few hundred feet underground.

Why don't you explain to everyone here how exactly fracking contaminates the water supply?
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Closer to two miles, actually. When I was working in Irion and Crockett counties, we were TD'ing between 11,000 and 13,000 feet.
 
apdst said:
Closer to two miles, actually. When I was working in Irion and Crockett counties, we were TD'ing between 11,000 and 13,000 feet.
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That's the deep holes out here had a one that was going 17,000 about a year back. That one was exploratory though. Ours usually run about 5,000 or so depending on where you are at. Some of our wells are at the 700ft mark. Most of the water tables we have are brackish already. Some of it at very high pressure. If the drought keeps up it may become profitable to clean the water up for farming and drilling purposes.
 
Declan said:
Fracking Does Contaminate Groundwater: Carry on Drilling Regardless - Forbes

Groundwater Contamination May End the Gas-Fracking Boom - Scientific American

Scientists: Fracking Linked to Groundwater Contamination » EcoWatch
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Yawn.

Nothing here but conjecture and opinion. No proof of anything. No conclusive studies. All I see is liberal agendas being pushed by liberal agencies and liberal media outlets. Nothing credible.

Please take a step back and look at this objectively. Thousands of wells have been fracked throughout the United States. You've brought to my attention the case of one farmer in Texas, and one farmer in Wyoming (whose case was subsequently dropped, by the way).

You know what, a solar panel could fall on your head and kill you too, you know.

This is ridiculous.

Part of me hopes you anti-frackers actually win. Then we can go back to using the only other energy source we have in abundance: COAL. And as the black smoke billows out of the smokestacks of corporations nationwide, I will laugh at the irony, just like I laugh every time I read about migrating birds that are being wiped out by windmills.
 
apdst said:
At what depth is the contaminated water? Anything deeper than 7-800 feet isn't fit for human consumption.
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There is no contaminated water at any depth. It's a fairy tale. His links are nothing more than opinion pieces.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Fracking is normally done about a mile underground. The water table is only a few hundred feet underground.

Why don't you explain to everyone here how exactly fracking contaminates the water supply?
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Must the drill head pass through the "few hundred feet" on its way to the "about a mile underground"?

Or are some sort of miracles involved?

Have you seen any pictures or videos of tap water in flames? If not, you must be living under a rock.

They don't frack where I live, but hundreds or thousands of homes have experienced this and documented it. Try "Gasland" if you're unaware.

And I assume that you know that the chemicals injected in the process, through and near ground water deposits, are proprietary and neither approved by or known by the EPA and the Clean Water Act.
 
apdst said:
More like: liberty has prevailed, once again. Who are these anti-fracers to put property rights up to a vote, based on lies?

There are 270 wells inside the Denton city linits. Life hasn't ceased to exist, as predicted.
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I have not ever predicted life will cease to exist because of fracking.

And the record is pretty clear that for many people near fracking sites, the QUALITY of life changes because of the practice. Assuming one values quality of life, it is a factor. If one does NOT value quality of life, well, I understand.

But it would totally suck to have the water one needs for life, once clean coming out of the tap, now contaminated and flammable.

As a visitor over the years, the water in North and West Texas has always been lousy, so maybe if one is accustomed to lousy water it's no big thing.

I like clean water, "potable" as they used to call it in the Army.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Yawn.

Nothing here but conjecture and opinion. No proof of anything. No conclusive studies. All I see is liberal agendas being pushed by liberal agencies and liberal media outlets. Nothing credible.

Please take a step back and look at this objectively. Thousands of wells have been fracked throughout the United States. You've brought to my attention the case of one farmer in Texas, and one farmer in Wyoming (whose case was subsequently dropped, by the way).

You know what, a solar panel could fall on your head and kill you too, you know.

This is ridiculous.

Part of me hopes you anti-frackers actually win. Then we can go back to using the only other energy source we have in abundance: COAL. And as the black smoke billows out of the smokestacks of corporations nationwide, I will laugh at the irony, just like I laugh every time I read about migrating birds that are being wiped out by windmills.
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Talk about denial. Forbes pushing the liberal agenda is like saying the Huffington Post is to the right of Fox News.

I did not say that I was for or against fracking. I just provided links showing that it is connected to groundwater pollution. You obviously did not read the links because the no studies you allege was done by the EPA. :2razz:
 
Henry David said:
I have not ever predicted life will cease to exist because of fracking.

And the record is pretty clear that for many people near fracking sites, the QUALITY of life changes because of the practice. Assuming one values quality of life, it is a factor. If one does NOT value quality of life, well, I understand.

But it would totally suck to have the water one needs for life, once clean coming out of the tap, now contaminated and flammable.

As a visitor over the years, the water in North and West Texas has always been lousy, so maybe if one is accustomed to lousy water it's no big thing.

I like clean water, "potable" as they used to call it in the Army.
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You said the land and the water would be destroyed. That would cause life to end, pretty much.
 
PirateMk1 said:
That's the deep holes out here had a one that was going 17,000 about a year back. That one was exploratory though. Ours usually run about 5,000 or so depending on where you are at. Some of our wells are at the 700ft mark. Most of the water tables we have are brackish already. Some of it at very high pressure. If the drought keeps up it may become profitable to clean the water up for farming and drilling purposes.
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In the Concho Valley, west of San Angelo, there was a potable water zone at 4-500 feet, then another at around 700. Anything past that was salt water.

When I was working in Loving County, Texas and Eddy County, New Mexico we wouldn't hit a water zone before about 1500 feet, when we drilled into the Santa Rosa, in most cases. We were air drilling in most cases and we would blow dust and blow dust up there.
 
Henry David said:
Must the drill head pass through the "few hundred feet" on its way to the "about a mile underground"?

Or are some sort of miracles involved?

Have you seen any pictures or videos of tap water in flames? If not, you must be living under a rock.

They don't frack where I live, but hundreds or thousands of homes have experienced this and documented it. Try "Gasland" if you're unaware.

And I assume that you know that the chemicals injected in the process, through and near ground water deposits, are proprietary and neither approved by or known by the EPA and the Clean Water Act.
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You have to drill through the water table to drill an untracked well too, so your complaint has nothing to do with the "Fracking" portion of the oil or gas well.

I suppose you're against conventional drilling too, then?

As for water with methane in it....this is a normal occurrence for ppl who live in hydrocarbon rich areas. Happens all the time, even if there is no drilling anywhere nearby. It's simply nature.
 
Declan said:
Talk about denial. Forbes pushing the liberal agenda is like saying the Huffington Post is to the right of Fox News.

I did not say that I was for or against fracking. I just provided links showing that it is connected to groundwater pollution. You obviously did not read the links because the no studies you allege was done by the EPA. :2razz:
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The EPA is about as liberal and agenda filed as you get, I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.

That said, even the EPA's study was not conclusive. In fact, it was subsequently rejected by the state of Wyoming.
 
Peter Grimm said:
The EPA is about as liberal and agenda filed as you get, I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.

That said, even the EPA's study was not conclusive. In fact, it was subsequently rejected by the state of Wyoming.
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Rejected by Wyoming and refuted by Wyoming would be two different things. I am sure it is rejected by fracking interests as well.
 
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