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GOP seizes Senate

Fearandloathing said:
I have said from the beginning, that in the end, Obama will be judged and a somewhat less than mediocre president in the day to day running of the White House, his choices for cabinet etc., that he will be seen in the retrospective of time as exactly what he is, a rock star personality out of his league and too immature to work as a team player.

He's the modern Carter, a fresh new face, with great words and a killer smile who, in the end, was more comfortable making up the White House tennis schedule than dealing with the hostage crisis.
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The only difference between Carter and Obama is that Obama is a hopeless narcissist. Carter was merely incompetent. Clinton was able to accept the message of the 1994 midterms as repudiation of his policies. Obama has no intention whatsoever of accepting last night's results were the same for his policies. Unfortunately for the democrats, they followed him in his first two years as if he was the pied piper. Last night, they paid dearly for that.
 
ernst barkmann said:
so are claiming you made a predication then?..
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This thread is about events which could occur based on the results of last night. Stop making it about me or your view of me.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Obama had that chance after the 2010 midterms and was too much of a narcissist to admit that his policies were the biggest single reason the democrats were drubbed.
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It's not the same. In 94 Clinton had to deal with Republican majorities in both houses. In 2010 the Democrats still maintained the Senate.



ObamacareFail said:
It depends on what you mean by partisan endeavors. What they need to do is start listening to the mainstream conservative base and start honoring the republican platform they keep renewing at convention time rather then just giving it lip service. They need to stand for something. The voters who just returned them to majority status are not looking for leftwing-lite.
If the establishment republicans again go to war with the tea party, they will likely lost majority status either in 2016 or 2018.
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By partisan endeavors I mean passing bills with zero Democratic support that everyone knows will never get signed into law... like another bill to repeal Obamacare. They should be focusing on job creation and the economy. These are issues that people care about the most and issues that Democrats will look bad standing in the way of. 2 years goes by very quickly. They can either demonstrate that they can get something accomplished or they can spin their wheels in the partisan muck and get stomped in 2016. That's the way I see it.
 
jmotivator said:
This actually gives the GOP a pretty solid strategy for 2016 if they are smart enough to use it.

With every bill that is passed by congress and vetoed by the president they can make sure that someone asks for Hilary's opinion on Obama's veto. Over the next two years test Hilary's willingness to be connected to Obama's legacy.
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Opportunities will present themselves to both parties and their presidential candidates.
"Smart enough" is the key phrase in your post.;)
 
solletica said:
BZZZT. Same 'ol day for right wingers.

Yes, as hard as it is to believe, GOP voters were actually dumb enough to think that voting these clowns into the Senate will actually lead to

1) Repeal of Obamacare
2) Deportation of ALL non-White undocumented immigrants
3) Fuel prices down to $1 w/the opening of the Keystone pipeline
4) More jobs for the uneducated (i. e. right wing-voting blue collar workers)

Only one logical response to such a belief. . .

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Or they just got tired of the 6 years of liberal fail. :2wave:
 
haymarket said:
This thread is about events which could occur based on the results of last night. Stop making it about me or your view of me.
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but it is about you, you predicted the steps for a 2016 landslide for democrats, and i wanted to know how you draw that conclusion..

you posted how it would come about, ....i stated some of the steps are already known to us.... and that you are in essence hoping for a "landslide"
 
tres borrachos said:
Haha that guy was a "mini-me"!

That was also one of the most shocking results of the night. Who saw that coming in the very blue Maryland?
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A few weeks back I started a thread about that guy in MD. Both him and Obama were heckled by black voters and they actually started leaving some campaign event.

Kobie seemed to believe it meant nothing. Apparently it did.
 
radioman said:
Which of course they will.
I would also say that the Prez will have an opportunity to blame Congress.
He can veto bills he considers "draconian", "ill-conceived", "harmful", etc.
If Obama plays his cards right, he can appear to be the wise leader preventing--to borrow a GOP phrase--"the destruction of America".
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I hate to be the one to break this to you, however Obama had his chance to act as the adult in the room in his first term. Instead, he spent his first 5 years blaming his predecessor for everything that went south, rammed a massively unpopular healthcare bill down the throats of the American people, and in affect told the republicans: "My way or the highway". Obama in his last two years can blame anyone he wants to...however the majority of Americans are no longer buying it. They have Obama fatigue.
 
radioman said:
Opportunities will present themselves to both parties and their presidential candidates.
"Smart enough" is the key phrase in your post.;)
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True. Obama is also now primed to become the "President of No".
 
j-mac said:
BWHAAAAA! :lamo That's comedy gold right there...Spoken from a progressive that lists "Moderate" as their political lean...."Denying their Brand"....hahhahahahahahahaha!
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Thats one thing very evident on this forum, lots of libs who hide behind the moderate/independent/libertarian label.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Really? Even better than the majority sweep you and colleagues have been predicting?

This is quite an interesting spin, and, frankly, laughable.
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What is laughable - to use your descriptor - is you ignoring that I have been saying this would be he best thing for the Democrats for some time now.

I made no such prediction that you claim. Just the opposite in fact.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) i dont see the hostility above average
2.) would depend on who you ask, some people hate those guys too and say the same thing you are saying about them, not agreeing of disagree just saying
but that was my point both bush, Clinton and Reagan had the same thing happen(houses flip). its the norm
3.) again dont see that any more than other presidents, must be the independent in me
4.) again this is nothing new by the sheep. and also thats not what america should do at all. More and more people need to vote issues and voting records and not pay one bit of attention to party.

but on a side note i do partially agree, it would be AWESOME for the GOP to listen to the people, be more moderate and do things based on wants and needs and not biased stereotypical ideology (like both parties do)

5.) agreed
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Name ONE president who called the entire Republican caucus "enemies" BEFORE even having introduced a bill.

The hostility of this administration toward the opposition, expressed through the insane Bill Reid has been palpable...and let no one ever forget how a lame, slithering Obama tried to lay the fault of his disaster health care bill at the feet of Mitt Romney with his pathetic lie "I never said that..."

No administration has slithered as low and with more feral hate than Obama's
 
Fearandloathing said:
Name ONE president who called the entire Republican caucus "enemies" BEFORE even having introduced a bill.

The hostility of this administration toward the opposition, expressed through the insane Bill Reid has been palpable...and let no one ever forget how a lame, slithering Obama tried to lay the fault of his disaster health care bill at the feet of Mitt Romney with his pathetic lie "I never said that..."

No administration has slithered as low and with more feral hate than Obama's
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Agreed. Haven't seen you around man, how goes it? What are they saying up in Canada about last nights election?
 
Jack Fabulous said:
It's not the same. In 94 Clinton had to deal with Republican majorities in both houses. In 2010 the Democrats still maintained the Senate
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The same message still applied. The only difference was that the democrats lost one branch of congress rather then both. Had Obama jogged to the center after the 2010 shellacking, the democrats would not have faced such devastation last night.


By partisan endeavors I mean passing bills with zero Democratic support that everyone knows will never get signed into law... like another bill to repeal Obamacare.
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You mean like when the democrats passed Obamacare without any republican support? I agree. That was incredibly stupid. When you pass such a massive bill affecting so many Americans, it's not wise to pass it without at least some cover from the opposing party. I think the democrats eventually worked that out and tried to recover and share the blame by claiming that Obamacare was actually a republican idea based on an outdated statement from one twit at the heritage foundation years ago.

They should be focusing on job creation and the economy. These are issues that people care about the most and issues that Democrats will look bad standing in the way of.
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Most Americans want something done about Obamacare. It is very negatively affecting the job market and it is very negatively affecting middle class family budgets as most are now paying more for health insurance then for rent or mortgage while getting suck with six to twelve thousand dollar deductible. I think everyone can work out that Obamacare is not going to be repealed until the present idiot in the white house leaves office, however they can begin chipping away at it. Those who voted the republicans into the majority last night do not want Obamacare to just hang out there on the political vine. They want something done about it.

2 years goes by very quickly. They can either demonstrate that they can get something accomplished or they can spin their wheels in the partisan muck and get stomped in 2016. That's the way I see it
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If getting something accomplished means passing just any ole bill just to keep from being labeled as obstructionists, then they would be better served acting as obstructionists. One of the biggest messages I pulled from last night's results was that the average American wants Obama, Reid, and Pelosi stopped. Now!
 
LowDown said:
I'm hoping they will pass bills abolishing the EPA and the IRA. Obama will veto them, of course, but it would set the stage for 2016.

Immigration reform: Give them all work visas and let them get in line behind everyone else for naturalization - no increase in numbers. Dare Obama to veto that.

And about a billion bills that cut taxes and regulations.
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I like it.
 
Moot said:
I think the republicans will try to defund the EPA and anything else they don't like.

...And they'll likely stuff the budget bill with anti-abortion bills and whatnot and then threaten to shut down the gubbamint if Obama doesn't pass it.



Basically, people just voted to shut down the government. That could significantly change things.
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Its a shame you appear to think that the only two options are an overreaching statist govt, or no govt at all.
 
ernst barkmann said:
so are claiming you made a predication then?



since the house and senate are going to be in the GOP'S hands, every bill, which does not follow the ideas of the DMC, will be labeled.

i found it extremely funny last night when liberal personalities stated.."now the congress is to be controlled by the republicans and the nations business can take place, the congress should give Obama the bills he wants"

currently there is 387 bills passed by the house which are currently dead in the senate......i wonder how many are extreme?

they must be very extreme since Reid will not allow them to come to the floor for a vote.




well your entitled to your opinion of how you wish the world to be, ...like..... the workers are oppressed by the rich which are evil, greedy, and the poor man is going to rise up and throw off the oppressor, .....story line.





any candidate the republicans put up is going to be labeled to be extreme, but what is funny is the democrats will work [as they always do] to steer the republican party towards a democrat - lite candidate ....ie Chris Christie, John Huntsman type...someone they find least offensive.




no .......you stated to SEE the steps to a DMC landslide in 2016, and some of those steps are already known, and the rest is a rant against the GOP, and your hopes for the future.

as stated in the first line........its a "predication"......
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Outstanding post. Keep slam-firing away at these liberal delusions.
 
US Conservative said:
Agreed. Haven't seen you around man, how goes it? What are they saying up in Canada about last nights election?
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I have contracted Ménière's disease for fun, which makes writing or scrolling on a computer screen a nightmare...so I have to ration myself so I haven't been around much.

there are several slants, one saying it's business as usual. The Globe is saying it's a vote of frustration against the system as much as a declarative about Obama's policies; it asks if American lawmakers will get the message or continue posturing. Silly question.

My favorite, the French language La Presse, has the best slant. They say it is indeed a condemnation of Obama himself and his poor decision making skills, something I've not seen referenced before. But a side bar spells bad news for Canada's Stephen Harper who, of late, has tied himself to Obama's coattails on the world stage, we have troops in Iraq as a result. The Russians are testing our air defenses in the Arctic and, well it's never a good thing for Canadian politicians to get to connected to their US counterparts, Brian Mulroney sang a duet with Reagan and he's now considered a criminal....by his friends.
They tie in several other choices Harper has made making him appear to a be a US lackey, which many prime ministers are, but it's not cool to look like it. Coming from a right wing French language paper it is bad news for the Conservative government who have to face the people next spring.

Us being in Iraq will play with the rednecks in Alberta and Ontario, but it will be his death knell in BC, Quebec, and the Maritimes especially if we have another terrorist attack like last week.

The business community is is "optimistic" that now, with the GOP in control of congress there may be some fiscal responsibility restored...I suggest there are being naive..

But, to be honest, here's our top national story:

Marilyn Monroe photo raffled for $5 fetches $38K - British Columbia - CBC News

So, we're good.
 
ObamacareFail said:
The same message still applied. The only difference was that the democrats lost one branch of congress rather then both. Had Obama jogged to the center after the 2010 shellacking, the democrats would not have faced such devastation last night.
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In 2010 Obama still had the Senate to cover for him and did not need to "jog to the center". It would have been wise for him to do so but wisdom is not the man's strong suit. Things are different now, though. He has no cover and if he stands in the way of bills that have popular support then I would look for the GOP to win in a cakewalk in 2016.




ObamacareFail said:
You mean like when the democrats passed Obamacare without any republican support? I agree. That was incredibly stupid. When you pass such a massive bill affecting so many Americans, it's not wise to pass it without at least some cover from the opposing party. I think the democrats eventually worked that out and tried to recover and share the blame by claiming that Obamacare was actually a republican idea based on an outdated statement from one twit at the heritage foundation years ago.
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No, that is not what I mean. As bad of a bill as Obamacare is, the Democrats knew it would pass so even though the public didn't like it it was not viewed as government wasting everyone's time. The votes to repeal Obamacare ARE a waste of time because they have no chance of passing. They are purely symbolic. If we REALLY want to get serious about repealing that law then we have to suck it up and leave it alone until a point when the GOP controls all three houses. Only then will it be worthwhile because only then will it have a realistic chance of passing.



ObamacareFail said:
If getting something accomplished means passing just any ole bill just to keep from being labeled as obstructionists, then they would be better served acting as obstructionists. One of the biggest messages I pulled from last night's results was that the average American wants Obama, Reid, and Pelosi stopped. Now!
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Job creation and tax reform are hardly "just any ole bill". They are also issues that offer an opportunity to demonstrate leadership on and the Democrats will have a hard time standing in the way of.
 
jmotivator said:
This actually gives the GOP a pretty solid strategy for 2016 if they are smart enough to use it.

With every bill that is passed by congress and vetoed by the president they can make sure that someone asks for Hilary's opinion on Obama's veto. Over the next two years test Hilary's willingness to be connected to Obama's legacy.
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That seems like a good idea. If Hillary wants to stay in the public's eye as a candidate for ever, let her answer. That said, she's got a media that will run interference for her.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I have contracted Ménière's disease for fun, which makes writing or scrolling on a computer screen a nightmare...so I have to ration myself so I haven't been around much.

there are several slants, one saying it's business as usual. The Globe is saying it's a vote of frustration against the system as much as a declarative about Obama's policies; it asks if American lawmakers will get the message or continue posturing. Silly question.

My favorite, the French language La Presse, has the best slant. They say it is indeed a condemnation of Obama himself and his poor decision making skills, something I've not seen referenced before. But a side bar spells bad news for Canada's Stephen Harper who, of late, has tied himself to Obama's coattails on the world stage, we have troops in Iraq as a result. The Russians are testing our air defenses in the Arctic and, well it's never a good thing for Canadian politicians to get to connected to their US counterparts, Brian Mulroney sang a duet with Reagan and he's now considered a criminal....by his friends.
They tie in several other choices Harper has made making him appear to a be a US lackey, which many prime ministers are, but it's not cool to look like it. Coming from a right wing French language paper it is bad news for the Conservative government who have to face the people next spring.

Us being in Iraq will play with the rednecks in Alberta and Ontario, but it will be his death knell in BC, Quebec, and the Maritimes especially if we have another terrorist attack like last week.

The business community is is "optimistic" that now, with the GOP in control of congress there may be some fiscal responsibility restored...I suggest there are being naive..

But, to be honest, here's our top national story:

Marilyn Monroe photo raffled for $5 fetches $38K - British Columbia - CBC News

So, we're good.
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Fascinating sounds like its pretty varied up there as it is here. Bad deal with the Ménière's. Thats crap, hope you have seen a specialist.
 
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