The Mid-Terms Results Thread [W:517]

[TurtleDude]

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You completely missed my point, which I mentioned elsewhere. The Dems hurt themselves by distancing themselves from President Obama.. Had they embraced the policies that they voted for and remained true to their liberal beliefs, they might not have been as rejected as they were.

really? so embracing Obama's hatred of gun owners, and the coal industry would have helped Alison Lightweight Grimes in Kentucky?

 

[Fiddytree]

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You completely missed my point, which I mentioned elsewhere. The Dems hurt themselves by distancing themselves from President Obama.. Had they embraced the policies that they voted for and remained true to their liberal beliefs, they might not have been as rejected as they were.

That's a highly debatable point. You could be right in that they could potentially shore up more of the base who did not turn out (African Americans, Hispanic/Latino, and young people). The problem with this statement is that your core constituency for the Democratic Party is completely unreliable for midterm elections and that's been a long-term trend.

 

[eohrnberger]

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Yep, still arrogant too but let's see what he says today. The Obama agenda was soundly defeated last night, wonder if his arrogance will give way to common sense and reality

Seriously? There's not a single indication in Obama's track record that would lead anyone to believe that.
Sure, you can be hopeful that he'd be able to perform a Clintonesque type tactical shift in attitude and position, but I'm not really seeing that he's able to do that. I hope I'm wrong, but I kinda doubt it. I think the gridlock just moved from Dingy Harry Reid's desk to the oval office.

 

[US Conservative]

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Here I go again. Issism=McCarthyism!

It does not. False equivalence fail.

 

[TurtleDude]

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That's a highly debatable point.

I think in many states where Dems got their asses handed to them, its completely wrong

 

[Fiddytree]

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I think in many states where Dems got their asses handed to them, its completely wrong

I don't know to what extent his presence would have inflamed matters, but I think it is beyond hopeful to suggest that the demographics of voters who have consistently shown an unwillingness to come to the polls when President Obama is not facing election would have done so if the state Democratic Party leaders had the wisdom to accept his aid.

 

[eohrnberger]

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Democrats will wake up because they are ALWAYS asleep in the midterms. Bunch of lazy, apathetic bastards.

And this is what you are satisfied with and support leading the country? Hmm. Not sure I could.

 

[Meister]

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It is my POV to which I am entitled.

You are entitled to it, but be reminded the facts don't back your premise.

 

[Juanita]

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Has a court held it illegal, or is that just your opinion?

Yes, I believe there was a new ruling and that some of them were able to reopen recently. Rowe vs Wade guarantees every woman in this country the right to reproductive care.

 

[eohrnberger]

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I disagree. I think McConnell was made for this moment in history.

I'd have to agree.

McConnell is a back room, out of the limelight, tactical statesman able to broker deals that matter. In times like these, especially like these, these are skills and abilities worth their weight in gold, perhaps even so much so as to make up for Obama's lack of skills and abilities in these areas.

We'll see. The future is not yet written.

 

[Juanita]

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LOL so if Alison Lightweight Grimes had admitted she voted for Obama and supported his programs (like gun bans, crushing the coal industry etc) she wouldn't have had her lying ass kicked as badly as it was?

Let me put it this way TD, if I lived in Ky.I would not have voted for her--I would have stayed home, and apparently many Kentuckians did stay home.

 

[ttwtt78640]

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Yes, I believe there was a new ruling and that some of them were able to reopen recently. Rowe vs Wade guarantees every woman in this country the right to reproductive care.

No more so than the 21st amendment guarantees that you will not live in a dry county, be denied service based upon your age or have the taxpayers pay your bar tab.

 

[Linc]

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It was't just Kentucky where DEMs stayed home--it was all 50 states--as epic if not more so than 2010.
DEMs need the same civil war as GOPs went through but worse.

You should have noticed the TEA-party and Libertarians-right have now been neutered and marginilized by RNC chief Priebus .

Let me put it this way TD, if I lived in Ky.I would not have voted for her--I would have stayed home, and apparently many Kentuckians did stay home.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Let me put it this way TD, if I lived in Ky.I would not have voted for her--I would have stayed home, and apparently many Kentuckians did stay home.

you could have written in Madame DeFarge or Emma Goldman

 

[Juanita]

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Dems tried desperately to run away from BHO but Repubs were successful in tying them to him. BHO was the anchor who dragged them all down.

Yes, they did. Perhaps if they had defended Obama's policies and the progressive agenda and been true to their beliefs and voting records, they would have fared better than they did with the phoney crap. Just saying!!

 

[eohrnberger]

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I actually disagree with you. The President's agenda was not defeated as most of the Democratic candidates did not run on the President's agenda, which is why they lost. Distancing themselves from the President hurt them instead of helping them.

Juanita, I'm sorry, but Obama himself put his own policies on the ballot, much to all the campaigning Democrats cringing. The same ballot that the electorate voted on.

Obama: ‘Make No Mistake, My Policies Are On The Ballot This Fall’ | Washington Free Beacon

Obama: My Policies Are on the Ballot

Obama: My 'Policies Are On the Ballot. Every Single One of Them.' | The Weekly Standard

 

[Juanita]

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Tell that to Brown over here on Maryland, who was at double digit leads in the polls just before having obama come stump for him and aligning himself with Obama, and just got whopped by a Republcian in a state with 2:1 democrats to republicans

That was simply a freak of nature. :mrgreen: You can't wait until the last minute,, when all the other candidates were letting Obama be dragged through the mud and where people were starting to believe the BS...the Democrats were not unified and there was no consensus in their message. They abandoned the President and their principles and got what they deserved!

 

[Linc]

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Yes, they did. Perhaps if they had defended Obama's policies and the progressive agenda and been true to their beliefs and voting records, they would have fared better than they did with the phoney crap. Just saying!!

Go get 'em girl.
Watch 'em flock to Nixon strategies when you compare the 2008 and 2014 economies--raise the negatives and drive down voter participation.

I will say the DEMs number one mistake was not matching negative GOP ads on ACA that began last December.
Not pounding on the government shutdown over Christmas as GOPs did on ACA.

Giving in to Paul Ryan's omnibus in December so the government wouldn't shut down in 2014.
Not answering tens of millions of Koch ads started in January on Kay Hagan in North Carolina forward.

Having a DuNCe chief like Wasserman-Schultz who was even worse than now Sen. Kaine from VA was in 2010 .

 

[TurtleDude]

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Yes, they did. Perhaps if they had defended Obama's policies and the progressive agenda and been true to their beliefs and voting records, they would have fared better than they did with the phoney crap. Just saying!!

the progressive agenda doesn't sell as well as you think it does.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Go get 'em girl.
Watch 'em flock to Nixon strategies when you compare the 2008 and 2014 economies--raise the negatives and drive down voter participation.

I will say the DEMs number one mistake was not matching negative GOP ads on ACA that began last December.
Not pounding on the government shutdown over Christmas as GOPs did on ACA.

Giving in to Paul Ryan's omnibus in December so the government wouldn't shut down in 2014.
Not answering tens of millions of Koch ads started in January on Kay Hagan in North Carolina forward.

Having a DuNCe chief like Wasserman-Schultz who was even worse than now Sen. Kaine from VA was in 2010 .

she really is a turd with a bad nose job. Gawd what an insufferable stupid bitch

 

[Juanita]

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Even the most democrat centered media disagree with you.

Republican Party wins the midterms: Democrats couldn’t escape President Obama’s poor approval ratings.

I don't care. I disagree.

 

[ttwtt78640]

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I actually disagree with you. The President's agenda was not defeated as most of the Democratic candidates did not run on the President's agenda, which is why they lost. Distancing themselves from the President hurt them instead of helping them.

No, they lost for being exposed as blatant liars and/or party puppets. 28 of the (all demorat) senators that voted for PPACA are no longer senators, likely to become 29 after the LA run-off contest dumps Landrieu too.

 

[Juanita]

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During the midterms, Obama is toxic. During Presidential campaigns, not so much. It depends on how a Hillary Clinton or Warren decide to deal with Obama and furthermore, whether or not they get elected. It won't tell you the full story about Obama's toxicity, but it will give you a decent clue.

That being said, I'm going to say what I said in regard to President Bush: wait a while. Obama's reputation will probably rebound somewhat in the next decade. People are always more disgusted or thrilled with the present candidates, and usually are much more respectful (if not romantic) toward the previous Presidents.

I think that history will be very kind to this President. He set out certain goals and he accomplished most of them. Bush left office with what, a 35% approval rating. Obama is at 42% so not that bad but it will go up again. I understand that the President's party never does well in the midterms, but this was a disaster far beyond anyone's expectations and I do hold many of the candidates responsible!

 

[Juanita]

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Hell, Obama himself disagree with her propaganda spin. He stated earlier in the election that essentially his policies are on the ballot

Propaganda spin my ass! I have strong feelings about this and I don't think when Obama said that, that he knew the dems were going to abandon and betray him.

 

[clownboy]

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Propaganda spin my ass! I have strong feelings about this and I don't think when Obama said that, that he knew the dems were going to abandon and betray him.

No one betrayed him. In fact the dem senate has been saving his ass from being the worst president we've ever had. His agenda is a soup of places America has never wanted to go. He made great speeches, but he never knew how to do any of it.

This is why America prefers Governors as Presidents.