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Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

Henry David said:
Nonsense.
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Yes, that is what you speak.


Henry David said:
The TFR was political in nature, nothing more. Not safety.
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See! There is that nonsense.
Your whole premiss is flawed and disproved by what actually occurred.
It is ;like you don't even use common sense.

It was for safety purposes. Period.
There was a report of shots fired at supposedly "police helicopters". This was at 8:22 PM.

Do you think the rioters are able to distinguish between a Police helicopter and a Press helicopter in the dark?

As previously provided.
Excon said:
Here is another report from yesterday that others may be interested in.

St. Louis County Police says intelligence reported both shots, lasers targeting helicopters in Ferguson, Mo., area - @rlippmann
AirLive.net: ALERT St. Louis County Police says intelligence reported both shots, lasers targeting helicopters in Ferguson, Mo., area - @rlippmann​


So can the bs folks, the restrictions are there and were there for safety purposes.
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Henry David said:
Safety is what the public spin is,
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There is that nonsense again.
Your whole premiss is flawed.
The Press was not restricted or prevented from reporting. So it could not have been for that reason. Duh! :doh



Henry David said:
Government at all levels operate in the world of "lie and spin", and this is a small example of just that.
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:naughty
No, that would be you trying to pass off your convoluted thoughts as rational. :lamo


Henry David said:
Numerous news helicopters operate over spontaneous public events like that all the time with seldom an accident.
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Irrelevant!
This is a different type of event where rioters are taking actions against aircraft with gunshots being fired, and lasers being shined.

The restrictions were for safety reasons.
So stop with your convoluted bs.
 
American said:
Did that stop reporting from the ground?
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As I have already posted on this thread several times, no. Cameras were on the ground. They just were not overhead. No difference IMO.

But that's not really the point. The point is that deception was employed, again, by a government agency.
 
Henry David said:
As I have already posted on this thread several times, no. Cameras were on the ground. They just were not overhead. No difference IMO.

But that's not really the point. The point is that deception was employed, again, by a government agency.
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The evildoers are probably rubbing their hands together, trying to determine what to with you after discovering their evil plot.
 
American said:
The evildoers are probably rubbing their hands together, trying to determine what to with you after discovering their evil plot.
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I doubt that very much, but I know that's your attempt at humor to compensate for the lost point in the discussion. No problem dude. It's hard for some to admit they were wrong.
 
Henry David said:
I doubt that very much, but I know that's your attempt at humor to compensate for the lost point in the discussion. No problem dude. It's hard for some to admit they were wrong.
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You are a huge conspiracy theorists who is so paranoid, that you see evil in every single event. It must be tough going through life that way, but there are number of reasons for keeping news helicopters out of the area. And the news people btw had plenty of ability to sensationalize the news about this incident, so that wasn't stopped at all by the police decision.
 
American said:
You are a huge conspiracy theorists who is so paranoid, that you see evil in every single event. It must be tough going through life that way, but there are number of reasons for keeping news helicopters out of the area. And the news people btw had plenty of ability to sensationalize the news about this incident, so that wasn't stopped at all by the police decision.
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Well thanks for the kind words. I am proud that one like you would hold me in contempt.

In reality I'm not really paranoid about anything at all, but you are certainly entitled to your fantasies.

I am in aviation, and I have been aggravated and inconvenienced by TFRs since they began just over a decade ago. I know how they work, I do work around them when the occasion arises, and I do understand their political nature, whether you do or not. It is true that some REALLY ARE about aviation safety. I have no problem with those, none at all. But they are the minority. Most are generated for POTUS or other political figures.

And I am not offended, or paranoid, or angry because you don't understand the dynamics of the Ferguson TFR Event. It's cool, dude. Ignorance really is bliss in many cases. :peace
 
Henry David said:
The point is that deception was employed, again, by a government agency.
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There was no deception then and there will be no deception now if the airspace is restricted. It is for a good reason.

Besides the threats of gunfire, the idiots want blood and they will not be able to distinguish between a police helicopter or news chopper at night.
 
Excon said:
There was no deception then and there will be no deception now if the airspace is restricted. It is for a good reason.

Besides the threats of gunfire, the idiots want blood and they will not be able to distinguish between a police helicopter or news chopper at night.
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I don't know whether to laugh or to cry....:roll:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

More proof of squashing freedom of the press in Ferguson. We were told there was a flight ban over parts of the city because of "safety" but in reality these audio recordings prove it was to try to silence some of the press. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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This kind of irresponsible reporting is what is going to cause Ferguson to turn into a blood bath and fan the flames of racial hatred all over the country.

Congratulations for being one of the bad guys and repeating this trash.
 
Henry David said:
I don't know whether to laugh or to cry....:roll:
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You think pointing lasers at aircraft is a laughable offense?
Maybe folks should be crying for you.
 
LowDown said:
This kind of irresponsible reporting is what is going to cause Ferguson to turn into a blood bath and fan the flames of racial hatred all over the country.

Congratulations for being one of the bad guys and repeating this trash.
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Reporting the truth is no irresponsible.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Reporting the truth is no irresponsible.
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You didn't provided a report of the truth. You provided a report spinning the truth.
They restricted air space for safety reason, not to muzzle the press.
 
Excon said:
You didn't provided a report of the truth. You provided a report spinning the truth.
They restricted air space for safety reason, not to muzzle the press.
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Ehhh the FAA's own words would beg to differ.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ehhh the FAA's own words would beg to differ.
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No they wouldn't.
It in no way speaks to muzzling the press as the article claims. It speaks to safety concerns.
 
Excon said:
No they wouldn't.
It in no way speaks to muzzling the press as the article claims. It speaks to safety concerns.
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""They finally admitted it really was to keep the media out," said one FAA manager about the St. Louis County Police in a series of recorded telephone conversations obtained by The Associated Press. "But they were a little concerned of, obviously, anything else that could be going on.

At another point, a manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."

"There is really ... no option for a TFR that says, you know, 'OK, everybody but the media is OK,'" he said. The managers then worked out wording they felt would keep news helicopters out of the controlled zone but not impede other air traffic."
 
TheDemSocialist said:
""They finally admitted it really was to keep the media out," said one FAA manager about the St. Louis County Police in a series of recorded telephone conversations obtained by The Associated Press. "But they were a little concerned of, obviously, anything else that could be going on.

At another point, a manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."

"There is really ... no option for a TFR that says, you know, 'OK, everybody but the media is OK,'" he said. The managers then worked out wording they felt would keep news helicopters out of the controlled zone but not impede other air traffic."
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Are you really going to play dumb this far into the discussion?
Again, as previously stated.
Yes, to keep the media aircraft out. It was dangerous.

It being dangerous was the reason to keep them out. Not to muzzle as your article spins.

And they continued to implement no-fly zones and will continue to do so if it unsafe.

And commercial traffic is fine. It is not flying low or hovering above dangerous protestors with ill intent.
 
Excon said:
Are you really going to play dumb this far into the discussion?
Again, as previously stated.
Yes, to keep the media aircraft out. It was dangerous.
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Really? Dangerous? Everyone else was allowed through except media... "At another point, a manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Really? Dangerous? Everyone else was allowed through except media... "At another point, a manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."
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1. Aircraft were being harassed via lasers from protesters.
2. Air traffic was congested due to police traffic.
3. The media was authorized in the area, but at a higher altitude (still well within camera range).
4. Media were allowed on the ground, and were all over the place.

5. Your position is based on a claim by one unnamed person.


Could your position be any more full of ****? I know this has been explained to you. At this point, your claim is plainly pushing propaganda. You know the facts, you don't care, you insist on serving an anti-American narrative kept alive by RT and PressTV.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Really? Dangerous? Everyone else was allowed through except media... "At another point, a manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."
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Way to not quote the relevant portion of what you replied to.

And commercial traffic is fine. It is not flying low or hovering above dangerous protestors with ill intent.
 
ecofarm said:
1. Aircraft were being harassed.
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No they werent. "But police officials confirmed there was no damage to their helicopter and were unable to provide an incident report on the shooting. On the tapes, an FAA manager described the helicopter shooting as unconfirmed "rumors."

2. The media was authorized in the area, but at a higher altitude (still well within camera range).
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Info on that?

3. Media were allowed on the ground, and were all over the place.
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And were abused and arrested...

4. Your position is based on a claim by one unnamed person.
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More like multiple people, and a audio recording...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
More like multiple people, and a audio recording...
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No, one person (RT and PressTV do not count as others making the claim). The audio recording is of the person making the claim. It's not of the police saying such a thing. Your claim of an audio recording, knowing it is of the claimer and not the police, is clearly dishonest.

No one is this ignorant of things they've read. You are intentionally pushing a BS narrative for your own agenda. It's so poorly founded as to illicit pity among those that are informed.


Info on that?
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It's in an article that you previously cited. It has been pointed out to you before.
 
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ecofarm said:
No, one person (RT and PressTV do not count as others making the claim).
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They didnt make the claim. AP ran the original story. It was a FAA air traffic manager at St. Louis, a FAA manager at KC.


No one is this ignorant of things they've read. You are intentionally pushing a BS narrative for your own agenda. It's so poorly founded as to illicit pity among those that are informed.
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:roll:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No they werent. "But police officials confirmed there was no damage to their helicopter and were unable to provide an incident report on the shooting. On the tapes, an FAA manager described the helicopter shooting as unconfirmed "rumors."
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Everything you have been saying is nonsense.
Nor do you wait until shots are confirmed before you restrict airspace.

That is your fault for not paying attention to the information you were given.
Beaudreaux said:
Commercial traffic is under the strict altitude and course control of the ATC. Media helicopters are not. That is why the media was kept out - and why they should be kept out.
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Excon said:
:doh
The AP also reports this.


So?


The folks here have been telling you why this no-fly zone was put in place yet you refuse to acknowledge it.
Why?

Yes they wanted to keep press helicopters out, not to restrict the Press, which is a claim disproved by the Press on the ground.



It was a safety issue and nothing more.

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Excon said:
Safety purposes is not direct or purposeful suppression of the press to report the ongoing incidences. It has been shown they were allowed above a certain altitude and it is known that they had more than unfettered access on the ground.
That is the hard truth which you apparently can not accept.


Here is another report from yesterday that others may be interested in.

St. Louis County Police says intelligence reported both shots, lasers targeting helicopters in Ferguson, Mo., area - @rlippmann
AirLive.net: ALERT St. Louis County Police says intelligence reported both shots, lasers targeting helicopters in Ferguson, Mo., area - @rlippmann​


So can the bs folks, the restrictions are there and were there for safety purposes.
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ecofarm said:
It is what it is. People aren't as stupid as you believe. We can all see your BS.
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See the thing is it would be stupid if I was completely making this up, howerever there are direct quotes and a audio recording to back up the claims.
 
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