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How you react to this photo reveals your political beliefs

While "Liberals" and "Conservatives" spend their entire days figuring out ways to trash each other publically, the country is going down in flames and things that actually matter are not being addressed. Have fun with your labels and your single mindedness folks. That is all you will have left when big business pulls the drain plug and moves its leaches on to the next big economy to destroy it.
 
Ah, so you were involved in the peer review process to get this article published? Good to know. What makes it junk science in your non-scientific opinion? ;)

Says the non-scientist.

Thou art a hypocrite.
 
While "Liberals" and "Conservatives" spend their entire days figuring out ways to trash each other publically, the country is going down in flames and things that actually matter are not being addressed. Have fun with your labels and your single mindedness folks. That is all you will have left when big business pulls the drain plug and moves its leaches on to the next big economy to destroy it.

The thing about this is that it wasn't meant to trash anybody. Hell, any of the conservatives who have ironically tried to put it in a negative light haven't even bothered to read the study's page. They've simply said this was junk science. The fact that they haven't discussed any part of the study (sample size, implications, conclusions) should be enough proof. Funny enough, the attitudes displayed by many of the conservative members on this thread probably have little to do with the general conclusions of the study even if it is ironic that they've reacted negatively to the study.
 
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No. Actually I think argueing semantics is absolutly stupid. I would not have mentioned your mistake, had you not made it the basis of you statement, when accused me of not understanding the term.

'Brain-dead' woman removed from life support - CSMonitor.com

The case has raised questions about end-of-life care and whether a pregnant woman who is considered legally and medically dead should be kept on life support for the sake of a fetus. It also has garnered attention on both sides of the abortion debate, with anti-abortion groups arguing Munoz's fetus deserves a chance to be born.

Brain-dead Marlise Munoz taken off life support in Texas hospital - World - CBC News

The hospital's decision Sunday brings an apparent end to a case that became a touchstone for national debates about the beginning and end of life, and whether a pregnant woman who is considered legally and medically dead should be kept on life support for the sake of a fetus.

Lazarus syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lorna Baillie, 49, collapsed in East Lothian, U.K. at 4:30 p.m. on 10 February 2012. Medics at Edinburgh Royal Infirmary spent three hours trying to revive her before declaring her technically dead at 8:45 p.m. She was in a coma and had been kept artificially alive with adrenaline and would not be pronounced medically dead until she stopped breathing. 45 minutes later, her family found signs of improvement. A pulse was found, and she was revived.[12]

Spokane Daily Chronicle - Google News Archive Search

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We know JoG, we know.
 
It is interesting. It seems to go against the general stereotype that liberals are more emotional and conservatives are more analytical. One can spin the results to make either conservatives or liberals look superior to the other. But the brain is fascinating.

I don't know. I have always though conservatives mostly saw things in black and white while more liberal thinkers see all shades of grey.
 

"Huh? When did I say this was junk science?"

Sounds like you? ;)

As I said, I think it stupid to argue about semantics. And when the other guy loves it, as you obviously do, and has a problem with it talking at other people, as the quote shows? Well, good try.
 
Ah, so you were involved in the peer review process to get this article published? Good to know. What makes it junk science in your non-scientific opinion? ;)

Quite simple - any "research" that claims a broad hypothesis based on a sample size of 83 subjects is "junk science". The fact that this is paraded by the OP and the authors as definitive of anything is a joke.
 
Perhaps relying on a "study" of 83 people to come to a definitive conclusion that "conservatives focus more on the negative" is why many conservatives, myself included, are very skeptical of junk "science".

I don't have an issue with the study or the results, I just don't trust their ability to render conclusions based upon those results. That's where science stops and opinion starts, and as we all know ones personal biases can have a very substantial effect on opinion, whether the person happens to be a scientist, a ditch digger, or anything else.
 
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First reaction, squash the thing.

Really?

My first reaction is to swipe it away, especially if it is that close, or take it outside.

I would think a liberals first reaction would be to ask somebody else to do it for them.
 
Perhaps relying on a "study" of 83 people to come to a definitive conclusion that "conservatives focus more on the negative" is why many conservatives, myself included, are very skeptical of junk "science".

Just from a personal perspective, I don't find any pictures of nature to be "disgusting" - the odder nature is, the more fascinating I find it even if often it scares the hell out of me. The insect in the pic didn't disgust me at all in its depiction - it seems beautiful and fascinating and yet if it was crawling on my face when I woke from sleep I might find it totally disgusting.

true, I used to collect snakes and keep several as pets. I doubt I'd find a picture of a snake a subject of revulsion. Having a timber rattle snake in my bed at night would scare the living crap out of just about anyone-no matter their politics
 
Quite simple - any "research" that claims a broad hypothesis based on a sample size of 83 subjects is "junk science". The fact that this is paraded by the OP and the authors as definitive of anything is a joke.

I don't have an issue with the study or the results, I just don't trust their ability to render conclusions based upon those results. That's where science stops and opinion starts, and as we all know ones personal biases can have a very substantial effect on opinion, whether the person happens to be a scientist, a ditch digger, or anything else.
This study has been done many, many times over.

Disgust Sensitivity, Political Conservatism, and Voting - 2012
A Bad Taste in the Mouth Gustatory Disgust Influences Moral Judgment - 2011
Disgust: A predictor of social conservatism - 2011
Disgust Sensitivity and the Neurophysiology of Left-Right Political Orientations - 2011
Conservatives are more easily disgusted than liberals - 2009
The Ick Factor: Physiological Sensitivity to Disgust as a Predictor of Political Attitudes - 2008

One of those linked to above sampled 31,000 people and still found a positive correlation between how easily a person feels disgust and political conservatism.

Honestly, it makes all the sense in the world too.
 
This study has been done many, many times over.

Disgust Sensitivity, Political Conservatism, and Voting - 2012
A Bad Taste in the Mouth Gustatory Disgust Influences Moral Judgment - 2011
Disgust: A predictor of social conservatism - 2011
Disgust Sensitivity and the Neurophysiology of Left-Right Political Orientations - 2011
Conservatives are more easily disgusted than liberals - 2009
The Ick Factor: Physiological Sensitivity to Disgust as a Predictor of Political Attitudes - 2008

One of those linked to above sampled 31,000 people and still found a positive correlation between how easily a person feels disgust and political conservatism.

Honestly, it makes all the sense in the world too.

Are you kiding? The first 11 words in my post were, and I quote "I don't have an issue with the study or the results".

So why exactly did you feel it nessisary to act as if I disputed the report?
 
What does it mean if I just went "What the ****" (in a confused sense) and then shrugged?
 
Quite simple - any "research" that claims a broad hypothesis based on a sample size of 83 subjects is "junk science". The fact that this is paraded by the OP and the authors as definitive of anything is a joke.

Well, now we're getting somewhere. Even if your statement is deeply flawed. For one, small sample sizes are used everyday in every scientific field. Hell, the testing of vaccines is done on small sample sizes first and so is Phase II. Does that make vaccine research junk science? According to you, yes. Hell, according to you, it's junk science from the beginning because small samples of people are used. Better stop getting vaccinated people!

Let's look at another field though shall we? What about research that goes into animal populations? Well, if you're studying cows and sheep, you're fine. If you're studying pandas, tigers, and some bears there really isn't a large to go around and yet we know the gestation periods of each one, how they breed and even behavior. According to you though, it's all junk science because the sample size isn't large enough for your liking.

What about geology? Well, if your claim that small sample sizes made studies junk science, then we'd be pretty screwed for studies on the moon. Yet, we know more about the moon than we know about what's in the ocean because of the small samples brought back 40 years ago. However, according to you it's all junk science because the samples weren't large enough for your subjective standard of what is and isn't junk science.

What about QA? Is research into that junk science? Well according to you it is. Do you realize that you use a myriad of appliances where out of hundreds of thousands which may be sold, only 1 or 2 are tested per 10 thousand? Do you distrust the sticker which says your microwave is safe? Because it's more than likely that only a 100 out of 100,000 were tested for any significant amount of time before the product hit the market. Again, small sample size which determines the overwhelming majority of the products to be safe and you have no problem trusting it. Kind of strange, no?

As for the second part of your statement. The part about this being "definitive". Did you actually read the results? Did you read the news article? Because neither states that the study is "definitive of anything". The researchers made an effort to avoid the word definitive. However, it did state that their results could be replicated time and time again. Now here are their assertions for what the results do suggest:

These results provide strong support for the idea that fundamental neural processing differences that emerge under the challenge of emotionally evocative stimuli may serve to structure political beliefs in ways formerly unappreciated.

In other words, the study suggest that how your brain reacts to the world is related to your political beliefs. No kidding. This literally is no different than saying that life experiences affect whether a person becomes liberal or conservative. What? Did you think that was just an axiom related to the physical world and unrelated to how your brain works? Well... apparently... not because other researchers have been piecing the puzzle to this for... well decades:

Study Predicts Political Beliefs With 83 Percent Accuracy | Science | Smithsonian

The study matched publicly available party registration records with the names of 82 American participants whose risk-taking behavior during a gambling experiment was monitored by brain scans. The researchers found that liberals and conservatives don’t differ in the risks they do or don’t take, but their brain activity does vary while they’re making decisions.

Unconscious Reactions Separate Liberals and Conservatives - Scientific American

For example, in a study published in January, a team led by psychologist Michael Dodd and political scientist John Hibbing of the University of Nebraska–Lincoln found that when viewing a collage of photographs, conservatives' eyes unconsciously lingered 15 percent longer on repellent images, such as car wrecks and excrement—suggesting that conservatives are more attuned than liberals to assessing potential threats.

Biology and political orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The authors concluded that, "Although our data do not determine whether these regions play a causal role in the formation of political attitudes, they converge with previous work to suggest a possible link between brain structure and psychological mechanisms that mediate political attitudes."[5]

So in short, this study - your junk science - confirmed 1) what has been found in previous studies (that political attitudes and brain activity are related) and 2) conservatives and liberals think different in regards to certain issues. If your biggest complaint about it is that the sample size isn't to your liking, I'm sure from now on you'll stop trusting science for things like vaccines and electrical appliances. Wait....

I didn't know I didn't have chicken pox as a child and no doctor ever asked me so getting a chicken pox vaccine was never an issue - as for now, yes I've been vaccinated for shingles.

Good evening Lady P - I wish you a mentally and physically healthy evening and long lifetime too. Like avoiding trips to Africa without the proper vaccinations, be sure any trip you're planning to DC is equally well prepared.

Vaccines: Resdev/Vaccine Testing and Approval Process

Clinical development is a three-phase process. During Phase I, small groups of people receive the trial vaccine. In Phase II, the clinical study is expanded and vaccine is given to people who have characteristics (such as age and physical health) similar to those for whom the new vaccine is intended. In Phase III, the vaccine is given to thousands of people and tested for efficacy and safety.

https://www.iavi.org/what-we-do/science/vaccine-r-d-process

Phase I clinical trials are typically done with small groups, or cohorts, of volunteers, and principally test whether a candidate is safe for use in humans and produces an immune response

Again, better take out phase I and phase II of vaccine research because CanadaJohn thinks that small sample size makes a study junk science.
 
They should do this study on the "disgust" reaction using photos of an AR-15, a Christian praying, a heterosexual couple holding hands or a newborn baby that didn't get aborted and watch the disgust part of the brain light up for liberals. Liberals are just repelled and disgusted by different things than conservatives.
 
Are you kiding? The first 11 words in my post were, and I quote "I don't have an issue with the study or the results".

So why exactly did you feel it nessisary to act as if I disputed the report?
Commenting on CanadaJohn and linking you to more studies on the subject.
 
This study has been done many, many times over.

Disgust Sensitivity, Political Conservatism, and Voting - 2012
A Bad Taste in the Mouth Gustatory Disgust Influences Moral Judgment - 2011
Disgust: A predictor of social conservatism - 2011
Disgust Sensitivity and the Neurophysiology of Left-Right Political Orientations - 2011
Conservatives are more easily disgusted than liberals - 2009
The Ick Factor: Physiological Sensitivity to Disgust as a Predictor of Political Attitudes - 2008

One of those linked to above sampled 31,000 people and still found a positive correlation between how easily a person feels disgust and political conservatism.

Honestly, it makes all the sense in the world too.

Stop it. People hate it when their junk science crusades are interrupted with facts and evidence.
 
Are you kiding? The first 11 words in my post were, and I quote "I don't have an issue with the study or the results".

So why exactly did you feel it nessisary to act as if I disputed the report?

Because liberals are disgusted by your agreement.

I have to say, it is funny to see people who are invariably disgusted by others people's politics cheering that a study shows they aren't disgusted by mutilated corpses.
 
They should do this study on the "disgust" reaction using photos of an AR-15, a Christian praying, a heterosexual couple holding hands or a newborn baby that didn't get aborted and watch the disgust part of the brain light up for liberals. Liberals are just repelled and disgusted by different things than conservatives.

A newborn baby gives me an erection, I wouldn't feel disgusted at all.
 
My guess is that the reason conservatives react more intensely to 'disgusting' images is because they are in denial and/or more fearful of their biological, animalistic, and mortal state because it means facing the fact that humans are mortal and not quite as special as they like to imagine. Religion is the traditional escape from such fear and revulsion. This fear is why conservatives also tend to be repulsed or scared of seeing nudity, sex, basic bodily functions, "wild" behavior and diversity of appearance in other people.
 
I just get a kick out of all these studies that try to prove some physiological difference between liberals and conservatives. It's kind of silly but at some level it's also disturbing. I mean if you're searching for a "scientific" difference then what do you do when you find it?

There may be a cure for conservatism and we can create a better world without a bunch of scared idiots panicking with every consideration of a change.
 
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