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Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans[W:466]

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haymarket said:
So how many cases of voter fraud convictions do we have over the last 14 years or so? I did not see that in your post and that is the key component.
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So, first you said -
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I will be more than happy to look at any evidence you would like to present.
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Now you want to shift the goal posts...Tell me why 14 years? and why now is it shifted from looking at "any evidence" to you'll only consider convictions?

Your approach is supremely dishonest.
 
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j-mac said:
No, I don't...As many libs know the GOP has a close relationship with religion, and many feel that Sunday is a day for family, God, and rest...NOT political struggle.

But, any scapegoat will do eh?
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Why do you debate a point when you clearly don't understand what's taking place?Expert Confirms Voting Machines in Illinois and Maryland Rigged for Democrats BREAKING: Obama Administration Officials Convicted Of Voter Fraud Woman Convicted of Voter Fraud Honored by Ohio Democrats Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud | Fox News Democrat Convicted of Massive Voter Fraud in 2012 - BuzzPo 2014 Election Results: Did Liberals Rig Voting Machines To Switch Republican Votes To Democrat? Video May Prove So! Democrats Caught On Camera Committing Voter Fraud Woman Convicted of Voter Fraud Honored by Ohio Democrats

That should get you started.
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Isolated cases, clerical errors and technical problems will be the response (if any). ;)
 
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haymarket said:
The system worked as it was constructed to do and voter fraud was prevented.
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Voter fraud was successful, the fraudulent vote has been counted, as reported in the article you've chosen not to read, and apparently seem hell bent on embarrassing yourself over.
 
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haymarket said:
So how many cases of voter fraud convictions do we have over the last 14 years or so? I did not see that in your post and that is the key component.
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You seem to making very foolish claims without having done any research at all. Why not read those links and discover what's actually going on? There are no further excuses for ignorance.
 
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haymarket said:
So how many cases of voter fraud convictions do we have over the last 14 years or so? I did not see that in your post and that is the key component.
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Hmm... dead body, found in he street, riddled with bullets BUT no conviction so it does not count as a murder. ;)
 
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haymarket said:
The workers who work the polls for the city or town who check you in and check your identity before you are allowed to vote. Not once in over forty years have I ever been allowed to vote without going through this official procedure presenting myself to the poll workers and providing the identification that the law requires.
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And how would they know you weren't registered in error?
 
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haymarket said:
So how many cases of voter fraud convictions do we have over the last 14 years or so? I did not see that in your post and that is the key component.
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You have to love the circular logic of liberals that attempts at every turn to stop programs meant to police voter fraud AND then argue that there are few voter fraud convictions. :roll:
 
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jmotivator said:
And how would they know you weren't registered in error?
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In my community it works like this:

you show up at city hall to the clerk and tell them you want to register to vote
you present them with some form of legal ID
you fill out the application papers
you provide them with a signature of your name
the clerk then performs their due diligence as part of their legal responsibility to the state and community
they then place the copy in the voters book which goes to your precinct on election day
when I show up to vote I provide my signature on a form they give me
a clerk compares my signature to the book
if there is a discrepancy they can ask me for other ID
when they are satisfied I am who I say I am and I match the registration
I then vote
 
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haymarket said:
In my community it works like this:

you show up at city hall to the clerk and tell them you want to register to vote
you present them with some form of legal ID
you fill out the application papers
you provide them with a signature of your name
the clerk then performs their due diligence as part of their legal responsibility to the state and community
they then place the copy in the voters book which goes to your precinct on election day
when I show up to vote I provide my signature on a form they give me
a clerk compares my signature to the book
if there is a discrepancy they can ask me for other ID
when they are satisfied I am who I say I am and I match the registration
I then vote
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Yes, we all understand that. But what happens when the due diligence breaks down? Your system falls apart is what happens.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... dead body, found in he street, riddled with bullets BUT no conviction so it does not count as a murder. ;)
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This is coming from the guy who argued, in round about terms, that there aren't many black Republicans because... there aren't many black republicans.. oh and also because Democrats buy black votes. :roll:
 
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jmotivator said:
Yes, we all understand that. But what happens when the due diligence breaks down? Your system falls apart is what happens.
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And if you have data on that breakdown with the system falling apart resulting in voter fraud convictions I would love to see it.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... dead body, found in he street, riddled with bullets BUT no conviction so it does not count as a murder. ;)
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you and I both know that is not how it works. An unsolved murder is still a murder. So it is a really dishonest comparison.
 
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haymarket said:
And if you have data on that breakdown with the system falling apart resulting in voter fraud convictions I would love to see it.
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They were posted earlier but you predictably ignored the links.
 
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haymarket said:
you and I both know that is not how it works. An unsolved murder is still a murder. So it is a really dishonest comparison.
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A vote attributed to one voter but actually made by another is still wrong (and worth taking measures to prevent) even if we never know exactly how it occurred. To waive it off as "likely just a clerical error" leaves that fact unchanged. Most shoplifting goes on without any conviction yet it is still a serious issue that warrants taking measures to try prevent (or at least minimize) it.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
A vote attributed to one voter but actually made by another is still wrong (and worth taking measures to prevent) even if we never know exactly how it occurred. To waive it off as "likely just a clerical error" leaves that fact unchanged. Most shoplifting goes on without any conviction yet it is still a serious issue that warrants taking measures to try prevent (or at least minimize) it.
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And as I explained , my state and community has had such measures in place during my whole voting life which is more than forty years. The only election fraud cases I know about here involved Republican Congressman Thad McCotter who forged petitions three election cycles in a row to get elected to the House wrongly.
 
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haymarket said:
And if you have data on that breakdown with the system falling apart resulting in voter fraud convictions I would love to see it.
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*sigh* You are asking to provide evidence while arguing that nobody should police it. Don't you understand how self defeating your argument is?

Also, there is evidence hiding in plain sight..

Ohio Poll Worker Convicted On Multiple Counts Of Obama-Biased Voter Fraud « CBS Cleveland

California Sen. Rod Wright convicted of perjury, voter fraud - Los Angeles Times

Thousands of voter registration forms faked, officials say - CNN.com

This data isn't hard to find.

I mean, when the majority of voter fraud is committed by leftists it starts getting pretty obvious why it is always the leftists crying about programs to catch voter fraud.
 
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jmotivator said:
*sigh* You are asking to provide evidence while arguing that nobody should police it. Don't you understand how self defeating your argument is?
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That is not true. It is policed and e have a system in place.

This data isn't hard to find.
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That is not comprehensive data. The Brennan Center study was comprehensive and authoritative and filled with national, state and local data . Individual anecdotal stories in newspapers or on TV- often involving no voter election fraud at all - are simply a very poor substitute for compressive data that the Brennan Center examined.

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf

I would urge you to read it and compare it to one news story about a lady from Ohio.

I mean, when the majority of voter fraud is committed by leftists it starts getting pretty obvious why it is always the leftists crying about programs to catch voter fraud.
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I would be glad to examine your comprehensive data on that claim should you present it. I and over 700,000 others in my district were cheated out of duly elected proper US Representative in Congress when my supposed congressman - Republican Thad McCotter forged three election cycles worth of petitions placing him on the ballot when he really should not have been.

McCotter was not a leftist.
 
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j-mac said:
No reply eh....Thought so.
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No this is the best picture I could find that shows that expression I made when you made that comment.

This was my "What a load of BS" look :)
 
shrubnose said:
Republicans are calling on Democratic Senator Mary Landrieu to apologize after she suggested Thursday that President Obama's deep unpopularity in the South is partly tied to race.

Read more here: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

Anyone in the GOP who doesn't recognize the fact that the GOP has close to zero support from Blacks in the USA Is out of touch with reality

Does anyone have any idea why so few Blacks support the GOP/




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP
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Effective Democrat Party Demagoguing enabled by Carefully and Expensively Purchased Black Spokesmen who create and then exploit a victim complex that simultaneously harms African Americans and keeps them properly loyal?


However, you are drawing a connection that doesn't exist. Landrieu claimed that her voters were sexist and racist.



Worth noting, the brown-skinned governor rebuked the female senator on the notion that the voters who had sent both of them to office were troglodytes for doing so.
 
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haymarket said:
I would be glad to examine your comprehensive data on that claim should you present it. I and over 700,000 others in my district were cheated out of duly elected proper US Representative in Congress when my supposed congressman - Republican Thad McCotter forged three election cycles worth of petitions placing him on the ballot when he really should not have been.
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That is an excellent point, Haymarket. I agree. We should put in a changed model to ensure that our system is protected against the kind of voter fraud that was featured in your district, including but not limited to the use of identification for determining public representation.
 
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haymarket said:
That is not true. It is policed and e have a system in place.
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THe system you just stated has absolutely zero monitoring.



That is not comprehensive data. The Brennan Center study was comprehensive and authoritative and filled with national, state and local data . Individual anecdotal stories in newspapers or on TV- often involving no voter election fraud at all - are simply a very poor substitute for compressive data that the Brennan Center examined.

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf

I would urge you to read it and compare it to one news story about a lady from Ohio.
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I've read it. The "study" doesn't do any of its own investigation, only collects data on existing fraud investigations which is pointless if the fraud monitoring is lazy and full of holes and relies on "due diligence" of the intake system as the single point of failure.


I would be glad to examine your comprehensive data on that claim should you present it. I and over 700,000 others in my district were cheated out of duly elected proper US Representative in Congress when my supposed congressman - Republican Thad McCotter forged three election cycles worth of petitions placing him on the ballot when he really should not have been.

McCotter was not a leftist.
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Yep, the standard response. "Show me the voter fraud! Wait!!! Stop screening for voter fraud!"
 
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haymarket said:
Are you referring to the Brennan Center comprehensive study of voter fraud?

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf

It is the most comprehensive and thorough study done of the subject of voter fraud in the USA in modern times.
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haymarket said:
Are you referring to the Brennan Center comprehensive study of voter fraud?

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf

It is the most comprehensive and thorough study done of the subject of voter fraud in the USA in modern times.
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The idea that ID is only useful in preventing person A from voting as person B ignores the distinct possibility of person A registering as person A of Boston, person A of San Antonio and person A of NYC. I seriously doubt that these polling locations crosscheck the roles to see if person A in one district/state matches that of person A in all others - virtually impossible if only the (non-unique) name A can be used.

The most common example of the harm wrought by imprecise and inflated claims of “voter fraud” is the call for in-person photo identification requirements. Such photo ID laws are effective only in preventing individuals from impersonating other voters at the polls — an occurrence more rare than getting struck by lightning.16
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Once you make such foolish and faulty assumptions (bolded above) then any conclusions that are based on those assumptions are worthless. The presentation of a valid, state issued, photo ID serves to greatly limit the number of name/address combinations available to a given individual over say rent/utility receipts, property tax bills, library cards or many other documents that individuals can (and do) possess from various locations e.g. vacation properties, hunting leases, rental properties and many other reasons for owning/using multiple properties/dwellings. One such group, quite common in Texas, are the "snowbirds" that are part-time (but regular) "residents" of Texas during the election season but that should cast only absentee ballots in their place of primary residence.
 
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