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Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans[W:466]

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Kobie said:
And I'm fine with it doing that, if it can be done in a way that doesn't disenfranchise people.
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But does the govt have a duty to ensure that the Constitution is dutifully enforced or does it have a duty to ensure people aren't disenfranchised?
 
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mac said:
But does the govt have a duty to ensure that the Constitution is dutifully enforced or does it have a duty to ensure people aren't disenfranchised?
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Both.
 
haymarket said:
That the issues important to them are not the issues important to Blacks. That would include health care reform, affirmative action, more government programs for the poor and disadvantaged, womens rights, labor and working conditions, and support for public education. In addition, people know when they are not liked or wanted and that comes across in big fat capital letters. The swing of the Republicans to the right has pretty much killed the days when noted people like Jackie Robinson, Wilt Chamberlain, James Brown and Sammy Davis Jr. endorsed GOP presidential candidates. You may as well be talking about the days of Lincoln and Reconstruction.

Turn on the GOP convention on TV and its a sea of white faces looking more like a bowl of rice with a small sprinkling of pepper now and then. Then turn on the Democratic convention and see the difference. The make-up of the members of the party sends a big message.
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Actually, there's a growing number of young black Americans, me included that have realized that Democratic policies hurt black families. For that reason, among others, we are gradually turning away from the DNC. Furthermore, nothing that you listed, other than affirmative action (which is a racist policy) is specific to blacks.
 
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Kobie said:
Both.
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Ok. Where in the constitution does it spell out the duty for the executive branch to guard against disenfranchisement?
 
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mac said:
Ok. Where in the constitution does it spell out the duty for the executive branch to guard against disenfranchisement?
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I think the constitution's mere existence carries with it the government's responsibility to ensure that the rights contained within are not infringed.

Do you NOT think the government has a responsibility to make sure that peoples' rights aren't infringed?
 
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Kobie said:
I think the constitution's mere existence carries with it the government's responsibility to ensure that the rights contained within are not infringed.

Do you NOT think the government has a responsibility to make sure that peoples' rights aren't infringed?
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Sure, but every vote cast illegally disenfranchises one legal voter but Democrats oppose policing the voter rolls and have, at every turn, promote programs that end up giving voter registration card to people who shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Back when I was a social worker we were under orders to get voter registration cards from everyone who came into our office regardless of whether they said they were already registered, or even if we knew they were not US citizens.

Democrats are corrupt, plain and simple. They really don't care if the voting rolls of clean so long as they know the illegal votes are mostly for Dems.
 
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jmotivator said:
Sure, but every vote cast illegally disenfranchises one legal voter but Democrats oppose policing the voter rolls and have, at every turn, promote programs that end up giving voter registration card to people who shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Back when I was a social worker we were under orders to get voter registration cards from everyone who came into our office regardless of whether they said they were already registered, or even if we knew they were not US citizens.

Democrats are corrupt, plain and simple. They really don't care if the voting rolls of clean so long as they know the illegal votes are mostly for Dems.
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Yeah, yeah, we get it, Democrats bad, Republicans good, yadda yadda yadda.
 
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Kobie said:
I think the constitution's mere existence carries with it the government's responsibility to ensure that the rights contained within are not infringed.

Do you NOT think the government has a responsibility to make sure that peoples' rights aren't infringed?
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Yes I do. However, how is a requirement for ID infringing the right to vote if it is not an infringement on the right to own a firearm?
 
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mac said:
Yes I do. However, how is a requirement for ID infringing the right to vote if it is not an infringement on the right to own a firearm?
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You're going to have to find where I made that argument re: firearms. Or, for that matter, re: voting.
 
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mac said:
Yes I do. However, how is a requirement for ID infringing the right to vote if it is not an infringement on the right to own a firearm?
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Use a library card, a passport, a college I.d, a workplace i.d.

I can list other examples of I.d
 
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Kobie said:
You're going to have to find where I made that argument re: firearms. Or, for that matter, re: voting.
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I'm not accusing you of making an argument. I'm asking a question. How is it disenfranchisement, or an infringement in the case of one right....but not in another?
 
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mac said:
I'm not accusing you of making an argument. I'm asking a question. How is it disenfranchisement, or an infringement in the case of one right....but not in another?
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Why are you asking me? I never said it was or wasn't.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Use a library card, a passport, a college I.d, a workplace i.d.

I can list other examples of I.d
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Uhm, ok, sure.

Point?
 
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Kobie said:
Why are you asking me? I never said it was or wasn't.
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Which is why I'm asking you.
 
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Kobie said:
Yeah, yeah, we get it, Democrats bad, Republicans good, yadda yadda yadda.
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It's the democrats who seem afraid of voter ID laws.
 
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mac said:
Which is why I'm asking you.
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Well, for starters, requiring an ID isn't disenfranchisement in and of itself. Requiring an ID and then making said ID onerous and/or cost prohibitive is disenfranchisement, as I've previously stated.

As far as the firearm argument, which I could literally not care less about, I suppose that voting and yay guns should be held to similar ID standards -- a free national ID card could solve both problems.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
It's the democrats who seem afraid of voter ID laws.
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Because it's a Democratic constituency -- the poor -- that would be most negatively affected by them.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Some voter I.d bills require a birth cirtificate. That seems a tad exxcessive.
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From what I've seen, they require it in the absence of any other ID.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Use a library card, a passport, a college I.d, a workplace i.d.

I can list other examples of I.d
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Passport, maybe.....library card, college ID card, workplace ID card....NO. You do not have to be a citizen to get a library card, a college ID card, or a workplace ID card.
 
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Kobie said:
Yeah, yeah, we get it, Democrats bad, Republicans good, yadda yadda yadda.
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No, more like Republicans bad, Democrats far worse.
 
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Kobie said:
Well, for starters, requiring an ID isn't disenfranchisement in and of itself. Requiring an ID and then making said ID onerous and/or cost prohibitive is disenfranchisement, as I've previously stated.

As far as the firearm argument, which I could literally not care less about, I suppose that voting and yay guns should be held to similar ID standards -- a free national ID card could solve both problems.
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Good, I agree. So, you are in support of voter ID then, assuming the ID is free?
 
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mac said:
Good, I agree. So, you are in support of voter ID then, assuming the ID is free?
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At the risk of repeating myself yet again, yes.
 
mac said:
Actually, there's a growing number of young black Americans, me included that have realized that Democratic policies hurt black families. For that reason, among others, we are gradually turning away from the DNC. Furthermore, nothing that you listed, other than affirmative action (which is a racist policy) is specific to blacks.
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nothing personal, but when folks like you hit the level of a real movement that changes the political demographics you will be more than just an anomaly and then and only then will that make a difference. For now, Black ID with the Democratic party has never been stronger so you are bucking a very heavy tide.

I agree that some of those issues are not specific to Blacks. However, others are split on them where Blacks are not so much on those issues.
 
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