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Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans[W:466]

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The right to vote is already "somewhat regulated."

Ok, why not a little more? We don't want felons owning guns, and we don't want "undocumented aliens", or dead people, voting. Right? We're still trying to tighten controls on the right of gun ownership, after all, and a right is a right.
 
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Absolutely false, the lack of opportunity and access is at root a matter of economics.

You don't have the slightest understanding of the basis of AA.

Further, you would be advised to get back to the topic.

Black folks have no less oppurtunity to succeed in this country than anyone else.

IIRC there are black, female millionares, in the world. All eight are American.
 
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Ok, why not a little more? We don't want felons owning guns, and we don't want "undocumented aliens", or dead people, voting. Right? We're still trying to tighten controls on the right of gun ownership, after all, and a right is a right.

Unlike voting, firearms ownership is gauranteed by The Constitution.
 
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As opposed to the democrat party social programs that have done nothing but increased poverty. A large segment of the poor in this nation have been on welfare entitlements for multiple generations.

IMHO, it is not that they have increased poverty (it has remained between 12% and 15% since 1965) but they have made it reasonably comfortable not to work anywhere near enough to get many off of those "safety net" programs. Many that now get "safety net" assistance do (some) work but simply not enough to support themselves much less their dependents. The aim appears to be to make any job pay a "living wage" and let the "Walmarts" figure out how to fund the "living wage".

Of course, that "living wage" means higher prices for all U.S. goods/services - thus raising the federal poverty level (and increased SS COLA payments) but that is a problem for later politicians to solve (kicking the can further down the road). What many do not see is that the federal gov't gets at least 15.3% of every "extra" dollar of wage income, from the first $1 to the SS cap (about $110K), so that increasing the MW is a windfall for the federal gov't too - they may think that we can simply inflate our way to prosperity.
 
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Ok, why not a little more? We don't want felons owning guns, and we don't want "undocumented aliens", or dead people, voting. Right? We're still trying to tighten controls on the right of gun ownership, after all, and a right is a right.

When the "controls" used disenfranchise FAR more people than there could possibly be cases of voter fraud to eliminate, then it becomes an issue of whether it's worth the cost.
 
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When the "controls" used disenfranchise FAR more people than there could possibly be cases of voter fraud to eliminate, then it becomes an issue of whether it's worth the cost.

Where's the evidence that anyone is going to be disenfranchised?
 
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Unlike voting, firearms ownership is gauranteed by The Constitution.

See amendments 14, 15, 19, 23, 24 and 26.
 
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Derp vs derp
The unemployment rate among blacks is at 35%. What are the Democrats doing for blacks that is so wonderful?
Black folks have no less oppurtunity to succeed in this country than anyone else.

IIRC there are black, female millionares, in the world. All eight are American.
 
Nobody is doing anything for anyone right now. Our current congressional makeup is basically incapable of accomplishing anything.

That said, you seem to expect the black community to dump the Democrats for a party that has shown virtually zero affinity for it. The Republicans have done virtually nothing but alienate black voters for 40 years.

Hence the problem with people identifying as a republican or democrat and with people mindlessly voting for parties. Lord...when I hear people so heavily identify as either party they just sound retarded. I mean....SERIOUSLY retarded. It doesn't matter which side they represent they just sound stupid. My side is the BESTEST and the other side are always bad and should all just die!

You are right that the GOP hasn't done anything to win over the black vote. They SHOULDNT. Politicians should be doing the right thing and creating opportunities for EVERYONE regardless of race. No one should be pandering to blocs. A better statement would be that BOTH parties have failed the country in total...and miserably.
 
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See amendments 14, 15, 19, 23, 24 and 26.

Nope. Care to post the exact text that gaurantees the right to vote, in The Constitution. Or, admit that no text exists.
 
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Did you actually open the link? Yes or no question.

Yes, I did. I find it impossible to believe, that someone who is registered to vote doesn't drive a car, cash a check, pay with a check, have a job, pay taxes, recieve a tax refund, have a bank account, pay bills, have a utilities account, or anything else that requires a picture ID. Someone who doesn't have a picture ID is totally off the grid.
 
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Nope. Care to post the exact text that gaurantees the right to vote, in The Constitution. Or, admit that no text exists.

14th Amendment:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

15th:

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

19th:

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

23rd:

Section 1. The District constituting the seat of Government of the United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct:

A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a State, but in no event more than the least populous State; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the States, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a State; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment.

24th:

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

26th:

. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
 
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When the "controls" used disenfranchise FAR more people than there could possibly be cases of voter fraud to eliminate, then it becomes an issue of whether it's worth the cost.

That's pretty much a matter of opinion. Just like who should and who shouldn't own a gun. It can be rationalized that the risk of allowing ineligible voters to vote damages our Democracy....which I find costly.

It's a bit hypocritical to embrace regulating one right and disparage regulating another. I'm not saying you personally, but those that do.
 
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Yes, I did. I find it impossible to believe, that someone who is registered to vote doesn't drive a car, cash a check, pay with a check, have a job, pay taxes, recieve a tax refund, have a bank account, pay bills, have a utilities account, or anything else that requires a picture ID. Someone who doesn't have a picture ID is totally off the grid.

Of course you do, yet many such people exist. This is incontrovertible fact.
 
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That's pretty much a matter of opinion. Just like who should and who shouldn't own a gun. It can be rationalized that the risk of allowing ineligible voters to vote damages our Democracy....which I find costly.

It's a bit hypocritical to embrace regulating one right and disparage regulating another. I'm not saying you personally, but those that do.

Nobody is saying "don't regulate it." But the scope of what you're trying to prevent, and the legitimate voters who would be prevented from voting, need to be considered when such regulations are enacted.
 
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Of course you do, yet many such people exist. This is incontrovertible fact.

Incontravertible? Says who? Oh, the people who oppose voter ID's...go figger.
 
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14th Amendment:



15th:



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24th:



26th:

2nd:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
 
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2nd:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

What on earth is your point?

Does every goddamn thread around here have to turn into a ****ing gun wank?
 
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Nobody is saying "don't regulate it." But the scope of what you're trying to prevent, and the legitimate voters who would be prevented from voting, need to be considered when such regulations are enacted.

As with any right. Personally I don't feel the scope of what's attempted to be prevented varies much in magnitude than the impact on those impacted by it. Just like with gun control. Most gun control measures are little more than annoyances to legal gun owners, just like voter id laws are to those citizens without id.
 
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What on earth is your point?

Does every goddamn thread around here have to turn into a ****ing gun wank?

Rights are my point. All rights are equal, and no one is more sacred than another. We should be very wary of limiting any right in any way.

Now, I don't see in any amendment a right for just anyone to vote in our elections...just citizens. True?
 
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Rights are my point. All rights are equal, and no one is more sacred than another. We should be very wary of limiting any right in any way.

Now, I don't see in any amendment a right for just anyone to vote in our elections...just citizens. True?

Yes, that's correct.
 
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