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Unusual Russian Flights Have NATO worried

NATO is not worried about those flights, they are loving every minute of it. It gives them something to do and justifies their existence.

CNN believes whatever NATO tells it, no questions asked.

NATO is worried about Russian flights like the DEA is worried about people in the drug business.

Eh, I'm not so sure of that, Henry. NATO is always feeling like it is walking on broken glass with Russia. Old Mother Russia could suddenly come barreling out and through Eastern and Western Europe in short time if she chose to make that decision. Obviously the U.S. could come to Europe's aid, ONCE AGAIN!, but the Europeans living through the Russian bombing raids might not make it long enough to see American planes blowing Russian one's out of the ****ing sky. European NATO knows it cannot stand against the Russia by themselves, the civilians in those countries that lived through the Cold War are probably like, "Again? And so soon? Damn..."
 
Quite right, it was blamed on them.

Trouble is that what facts and evidence exist do not support that story.

Rather like the Gulf Of Tonkin incident or the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana harbor or the Reichstag Fire, the story is likely false, meant to inflame passions and deceive a gullible public.

Because they probably did it. They've invaded Ukraine and have caused internal dissent as well the annexation of Crimea. Propaganda is also "meant to inflame passions and deceive a gullible public." This has always been a peculiar anomaly to me during my online experience, why so many people rhetorically bash the United States every chance they get, but reserve almost entirely any comment whatsoever about Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, North Korea etc. Very strange considering the rhetoric hurled at the U.S. has been done worse and more often in many cases by the Russians. Stalin massacred how many millions of his own people in one of the worst internal purges ever committed on a civilization. Their current dictator has already threatened Nuclear War, well, because he really wants to absorb the Ukraine back into Russia because they are trying to revive the Soviet Union. The Russian people want it and already expect harsher internal repressions than what was experienced before. Very peculiar why so many anti-U.S. people don't have just as loud of a voice in their condemnation of Russia. Very odd, indeed, if you know what I mean.
 
GeoPolitics and economic warfare and the Russians are demonstrating that they are not a paper cowboy, but can be a sizeable Military/Nuclear threat. They have just launched one submarien launched Bulava missile with multiple, individually directable warheads, and will launch a second one next month. These are weapons against which the USA missile defense system is useless because the warheads are steerable and defeat the Patriot system. If you read all I have linked you will understand that it it the USA that is provoking the Russians with Economic Warfare. I don't remember voting for that, do you?

"Russia's continued support for separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine, along with plans to recognize a controversial election by the rebels next month are likely to keep the sanctions by the EU and the United States in place against Russia for the time being." From the CNN article.

The US/EU have no intention of lifting the sanctions and the Russians know that. It has nothing to do with Ukraine. The CIA is manipulating economic policies to the benefit of Western Energy and Banking Plutocrats/Oligarchs/Billionaires. The CIA works for USA CORPORATIONS overseas and that translates to covert and not so covert schemes as is ongoing in Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, OPEC, etc. Read the link carefully. Think about the distribution network (pipelines) for Big Energy Corporations OIL and Gas. Draw your own conclusions. Truth is where you find it.

*The Kerry-Abdullah Secret Deal And An Oil-Gas Pipeline War On Iran, Syria And Russia

"What has happened is that the long-time US ally inside OPEC, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has been flooding the market with deep discounted oil, triggering a price war within OPEC, with Iran following suit and panic selling short in oil futures markets. The Saudis are targeting sales to Asia for the discounts and in particular, its major Asian customer, China where it is reportedly offering its crude for a mere $50 to $60 a barrel rather than the earlier price of around $100. [1] That Saudi financial discounting operation in turn is by all appearance being coordinated with a US Treasury financial warfare operation, via its Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence(my bold DaveFagan), in cooperation with a handful of inside players on Wall Street who control oil derivatives trading. The result is a market panic that is gaining momentum daily. China is quite happy to buy the cheap oil, but her close allies, Russia and Iran, are being hit severely."

Some of those missiles could and probably would get through, but I suspect that we have methodology to counter what the Russian's have. Like, I remember everyone freaking out when it was revealed that China has a missile capable of sinking one of our carriers. Sure, the catastrophe of one being sunk is bad enough, but that would be the only one, as they would not sink another. We'd bring the hammer down on 'em harder than they could ever withstand, man.
 
Because they probably did it. They've invaded Ukraine and have caused internal dissent as well the annexation of Crimea. Propaganda is also "meant to inflame passions and deceive a gullible public." This has always been a peculiar anomaly to me during my online experience, why so many people rhetorically bash the United States every chance they get, but reserve almost entirely any comment whatsoever about Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, North Korea etc. Very strange considering the rhetoric hurled at the U.S. has been done worse and more often in many cases by the Russians. Stalin massacred how many millions of his own people in one of the worst internal purges ever committed on a civilization. Their current dictator has already threatened Nuclear War, well, because he really wants to absorb the Ukraine back into Russia because they are trying to revive the Soviet Union. The Russian people want it and already expect harsher internal repressions than what was experienced before. Very peculiar why so many anti-U.S. people don't have just as loud of a voice in their condemnation of Russia. Very odd, indeed, if you know what I mean.

Yes, I know what you mean.

I think we've discussed before that I took my oath to protect & defend the document at Fort Bragg in the Summer of '69, so I've been pulling for the US ever since, and even before.

Trouble is Jango, in these last several decades, accelerating it seems during the last decade, the US has become the world's bully, the world's bad guy. Invading countries under false pretenses, killing innocents by way of midnight raids and drone strikes, JSOC misbehavior on an epic scale. Torturing people. Keeping people imprisoned EVEN AFTER the flimsy legal processes have declared certain individuals innocent. By way of legislation, nullifying the Fourth Amendment and Habeas Corpus, all under the fraud of the GWOT.

This does not make me happy or proud, it makes me ashamed. Every bone in my body wishes it were not true, but it is. The document that you and I are both sworn to uphold, and its legal principles, have been shredded, and we both know it.

The Russians are cruel and capricious, to be sure, but they are only human.

If Russia had been doing in Mexico or Canada what we are doing in Ukraine, Crimea and Georgia, we too would be most defensive and worried and antagonistic. It's only natural.

What makes the US situation so offensive is the outrageous hypocrisy. One cannot spread democracy and justice around the world by way of antagonizing the world and sending JSOC teams and drones all 'round killing pregnant women and children, flouting one's own laws in the process.
 
Quite right, it was blamed on them.

Trouble is that what facts and evidence exist do not support that story.

Rather like the Gulf Of Tonkin incident or the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana harbor or the Reichstag Fire, the story is likely false, meant to inflame passions and deceive a gullible public.

:) Yes, I know what RT claimed.
 
They have some Great grand masters.

But the typical Russian Chess player can be beaten easily if you just play them past the 9th or 10th move.

They just memorize openings and DON'T learn the game.

Not true. Kasperov's innovations in resurrecting the French Defense were strokes of genius, and his moves and strategies are studied by grandmasters to this day.
 
If Russia had been doing in Mexico or Canada what we are doing in Ukraine, Crimea and Georgia, we too would be most defensive and worried and antagonistic. It's only natural.
I've lived in both Ukraine and Crimea. I never once noticed any US shenanigans either personally or in the local print/digital media.
 
:) Yes, I know what RT claimed.

I did not read it at RT, I read it at Global Research, and though it retracted it pretty quickly, the BBC actually showed footage contradicting Kiev's assertion.
 
Simpleχity;1063941841 said:
I've lived in both Ukraine and Crimea. I never once noticed any US shenanigans either personally or in the local print/digital media.

They operate in the shadows, behind the scenes, just as they do in this country in propaganda efforts. Spies, spooks, covert operations, ya know? Black ops and secret funds, kinda like we did in Nicaragua or Persia back in the day.....if you're old enough to remember all that.
 
I did not read it at RT, I read it at Global Research, and though it retracted it pretty quickly, the BBC actually showed footage contradicting Kiev's assertion.

part of the Grand Global Conspiracy again, eh?
 
part of the Grand Global Conspiracy again, eh?

No, not really. The conspiracy seems to have been hatched either in Kiev, Washington or NATO HQ, I don't know which. But certainly the Pentagon was heavily feeding the MSM as to "certainty" that was then never backed up with facts.

No, rather a local conspiracy it appears, not a global one.
 
No, rather a local conspiracy it appears, not a global one.
I dropped by Maidan and spoke with many people. Almost all were just regular people who deeply desired a new direction. At independence, Ukraine and Poland were roughly even-Stephen across-the-board. All Ukrainians have to do now is drive across the Polish border to see for themselves the disparity in virtually every metric. The obvious is unmistakable. The EU is a far better social/legal/economic modus than the Russian model.
 
What the left started out doing in 1993, Obama has accomplished in less than six years.

The question is, will Putin give Obama another year to complete the job ?

Remember when America was numero uno, a super power ? I was only six years ago.

We still are. We now have combat experienced troops, a new navy, better espionage tactics, and we still got the main weapon: the bomb.

Other super powers exist. But china is not going to stay strong. Russia? Russia has never been a true powerhouse globally speaking.

He who controls the seas.
 
We still are. We now have combat experienced troops, a new navy, better espionage tactics, and we still got the main weapon: the bomb.

Other super powers exist. But china is not going to stay strong. Russia? Russia has never been a true powerhouse globally speaking.

He who controls the seas.

Most of those combat experieanced troops are burned out and most have already left the service. And those soldiers and Marines have been fighting a low intensity war for the past 15 years. War with Russia or China will not be a low intensity war. Both have navies, air forces, armor and each are able to put 10 million ground troops on the battlefield.

Most of the Army's combat brigades are rated as not combat eguipped and trained. Last year only 3 out of 33 Army combat brigades were rated combat ready. 1/2 of the Marine Corps isn't combat ready. 1/3 of all Air Force squadrons are still grounded and not flying because of Obama's sequestration.

What new Navy ???

40% of the Navy's ships aren't mission capable. In layman terms they can't put to sea and fight.
In 2008, it was 17%. By 2011 it was 27%. Today it's 40%.

Moral is low just not with in the Officers Corps but also in the NCO corps. Thousands of NCO are leaving the military before they get their 20 years in. You ask them why ? The military isn't the same military it was seven years ago. In the Officers Corps you have tens of thousands who were originally planning on a thirty year career are now planning on leaving the service once they get their twenty years in. Ask them why ? Same reason, it's not the same military it use to be. Just keep your mouth shut and hope you don't get purged before you get your twenty yeas in for staring at some girls boobs.

We have a hollow military force today and Putin knows it. Putin also knows it will take trillions of dollars and six or more years to repair the damage that has been inflicted on our military during the past seven years.
 
Most of those combat experieanced troops are burned out and most have already left the service. And those soldiers and Marines have been fighting a low intensity war for the past 15 years. War with Russia or China will not be a low intensity war. Both have navies, air forces, armor and each are able to put 10 million ground troops on the battlefield.

Experienced troops are still in service and their training AND lessons exist. Russian and Chinese navies? Oxymoron really. They are not even close to the United States. The united states still has technological superiority in all of the listed areas. And I wonder how our cyber warfare has developed. That is now important as well.

Most of the Army's combat brigades are rated as not combat eguipped and trained. Last year only 3 out of 33 Army combat brigades were rated combat ready. 1/2 of the Marine Corps isn't combat ready. 1/3 of all Air Force squadrons are still grounded and not flying because of Obama's sequestration.

How long would it take to get them combat ready? By our standards? Not conscription troop levels(china)?

What new Navy ???

Compared to Russia and China it might as well be 2030 for us and 1970 for them.

40% of the Navy's ships aren't mission capable. In layman terms they can't put to sea and fight.
In 2008, it was 17%. By 2011 it was 27%. Today it's 40%.

Check out our aircraft carriers. They control the seas. Still. The Russian and Chinese navies are still using antiquated Cold War era ships. We have what? 288 combat ships? 72 submarines? Our naval numbers are the largest world. Hell china outranks Russia and they literally JUST got considered as a "blue water" navy. They are still a joke. They might as well be in canoes with BB guns.

Then consider our airbases that can strike ships. All of that. The United States is STILL the best navy in the world. China and Russia can only hope to be regionally strong unless they shut down huge portions of land troops.

Moral is low just not with in the Officers Corps but also in the NCO corps. Thousands of NCO are leaving the military before they get their 20 years in. You ask them why ? The military isn't the same military it was seven years ago. In the Officers Corps you have tens of thousands who were originally planning on a thirty year career are now planning on leaving the service once they get their twenty years in. Ask them why ? Same reason, it's not the same military it use to be. Just keep your mouth shut and hope you don't get purged before you get your twenty yeas in for staring at some girls boobs.

We have a hollow military force today and Putin knows it. Putin also knows it will take trillions of dollars and six or more years to repair the damage that has been inflicted on our military during the past seven years.

Putin would be a MORON to try anything. We still got the bomb. Our navy, tanks, jets, tech, all of that...it outclasses his. We got drones. We got spies. We have computer viruses. We have submarines. Putin has nothing to gain fighting us in a war. Only death. And we would win. Our "hollow" military is still globally projecting itself. Russia will never be strong beyond regional strength.
 
No, not really. The conspiracy seems to have been hatched either in Kiev, Washington or NATO HQ, I don't know which. But certainly the Pentagon was heavily feeding the MSM as to "certainty" that was then never backed up with facts.

No, rather a local conspiracy it appears, not a global one.

Are you sure it wasn't FEMA, working on behalf of the aliens?
 
Are you sure it wasn't FEMA, working on behalf of the aliens?

FEMA was not involved in the MH17 affair, no. You have a vivid imagination. :lol:
 
FEMA was not involved in the MH17 affair, no. You have a vivid imagination. :lol:

:D Do you believe that because that's what the evidence tells you? Or because it's what they want you to believe?
 
:D Do you believe that because that's what the evidence tells you? Or because it's what they want you to believe?

The former. Because that's what the evidence suggests.

The forensic evidence suggests cannon fire, and testimony from various parties including peasants on the ground put military aircraft in the vicinity at the time of the incident.

And of course the seizure by the Kiev government of certain ATC records, and the failure of the US to provide satellite and other information to support its contentions. And other circumstantial evidence.
 
All circumstantial evidence points to the rebels making a grievous mistake. They used missiles to shoot down numerous Ukrainian aircraft during the two weeks preceding MH17.
 
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