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La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID[W:53]

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Erod said:
La Raza is a radically left wing operation that is very much like the Black Panthers.

I've seen them in action here in Texas. It's disgusting.
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That is like saying the Black Panthers spoke for all in the black pride and civil rights movements. You are uninformed.
 
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JasperL said:
Well, I didn't plan on a reasoned response.
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It is all we are talking about here. You might as well advocate for education to the lowest common denominator and driving licenses for those where it is too "costly and complicated" to learn how to drive.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
This post is an excellent example of a conservative not addressing the point that was presented to him.
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Mother of irony. Yet another clear example of an illegal attempting to vote, in this case encouraged by a candidates campaign manager. Not really adding credibility to your weak arguments, now is it?
 
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1750Texan said:
Who is this guy and what does he have to do with the term "La Raza".

He can use any terms he likes. He can make any claims he likes. He is no more representative of the raza than any other individual.

He is as confused as to what la raza is as you are.
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Who is he?. His name is Ron Gochez, and he is a Los Angeles Unified School District History teacher. Yep, he teaches in our Public Schools here in So Cal. That's how they roll here in So Cal.

Actually, his words, and many others from different speakers I could post from La Raza protests held at various campuses here in So Cal, prove you are one who is very much confused about what La Raza is all about.
 
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1750Texan said:
Did you notice that all the information given was outside the voting area...not from an election judge at the time of voting?

When I was 17, I was hired to pass out flyers at a polling place...If someone recorded me giving bad information...how indicative would that be of voter fraud?
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So now you are going to pretend that THAT matters? Conspiring to commit fraud is ok if its just outside the voting area? I love it.
 
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Erod said:
La Raza is a radically left wing operation that is very much like the Black Panthers.

I've seen them in action here in Texas. It's disgusting.
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They are well known here in CA as well.
 
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1750Texan said:
That is like saying the Black Panthers spoke for all in the black pride and civil rights movements. You are uninformed.
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Where did I say La Raza spoke for all Hispanics? You are wildly uninformed.

I have very personal first-hand knowledge of how these people operate. I've attended their events. Let's just say weaving into the fabric of America is the last thing they want.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
It is all we are talking about here. You might as well advocate for education to the lowest common denominator and driving licenses for those where it is too "costly and complicated" to learn how to drive.
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Well, no, but as I said, I wasn't expecting anything rational, so OK.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
The deception is that asking for an ID discriminates. If that were really the case over half the things you need ID for, including dealing with the government, would not be asked for.

Quit holding groups of people back just to say they are discriminated against.
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But it does, and there are videos available of republicans saying their intent is to suppress voter turn out. This can't be ignored. Before you seek to fix a problem, you have to show it exists. I mean, if you're effort is honest.
 
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Erod said:
Where did I say La Raza spoke for all Hispanics? You are wildly uninformed.

I have very personal first-hand knowledge of how these people operate. I've attended their events. Let's just say weaving into the fabric of America is the last thing they want.
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Hispanics? Hispanics are not raza. That is how much you don't know.

You may have attended events of people claiming the "LA RAZA" term. But Like I keep telling you...that don't mean crap.

Who ever you are associating with are idiots...they do not have any claim to the term la raza. You are thinking of these morons as indicative to what la raza is and stands for...get it thought your thick head...THEY ARE NOT.

Tell me what your heritage is...what me where you were born...tell me your parents heritage and I'll tell you if you are raza or not.
 
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Boo Radley said:
But it does, and there are videos available of republicans saying their intent is to suppress voter turn out. This can't be ignored. Before you seek to fix a problem, you have to show it exists. I mean, if you're effort is honest.
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Seems you have a hypocritical idea of what is and is not a problem, not a real surprise given the subject.
 
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US Conservative said:
Its a marxist hispanic supremacy group. La Raza actually means the race.
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A...marxist Hispaince group uses the term "la Raza". That is not who call themselves raza.

The Democratic Republic of China. That is what China calls themselves. Do you think China is either a Democratic form of government or a republic in our form of governance?

What one group calls themselves is meaningless to all others those that use those terms.
 
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JasperL said:
Well, no, but as I said, I wasn't expecting anything rational, so OK.
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Again, similar to your debate complement here... you seem to have a hypocritical view of what is and is not rational to the discussion. I'll note you still do not have much answer as to all one needs and ID for today, including dealing with the government in so many ways. So again, why does an ID suppress voters but does not suppress all the other things you need an ID for when it comes to dealing with the government?
 
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US Conservative said:
So now you are going to pretend that THAT matters? Conspiring to commit fraud is ok if its just outside the voting area? I love it.
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Conspiring is a judicial determination. Are you a judge?

A video of people "Bulsh*ting" outside... a polling place [my determination...not the videographer's] is not voter fraud. Voter fraud is the act of misrepresentation one's self or ability to vote at the time of voting to an election worker or judge.

Unknown people talking BS outside a Walmart is not.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
Again, similar to your debate complement here... you seem to have a hypocritical view of what is and is not rational to the discussion. I'll note you still do not have much answer as to all one needs and ID for today, including dealing with the government in so many ways. So again, why does an ID suppress voters but does not suppress all the other things you need an ID for when it comes to dealing with the government?
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I've answered the "ID is needed for.............." comment many times. Bottom line is the people without SFIPIDWCA (what's needed to vote) don't NEED those IDs or they'd have them already. So if you say, e.g., they need "ID" to deal with government, that's true. But at whatever level the 600,000 in Texas are dealing with government, they don't need a State or Federally Issued Photo ID with that is NOT a Student ID from a State College but could be a Gun Carry Permit or Veteran Card.
 
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JasperL said:
I've answered the "ID is needed for.............." comment many times. Bottom line is the people without SFIPIDWCA (what's needed to vote) don't NEED those IDs or they'd have them already. So if you say, e.g., they need "ID" to deal with government, that's true. But at whatever level the 600,000 in Texas are dealing with government, they don't need a State or Federally Issued Photo ID with that is NOT a Student ID from a State College but could be a Gun Carry Permit or Veteran Card.
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It is still a cop out. Requiring an ID to vote just means going and getting one.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
It is still a cop out. Requiring an ID to vote just means going and getting one.
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That's exactly why I didn't bother to go into detail before, because I was pretty sure your mind was made up, and it is.
 
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JasperL said:
That's exactly why I didn't bother to go into detail before, because I was pretty sure your mind was made up, and it is.
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Because no one is able to prove the hardship in obtaining an ID, so the reason to keep people voting without an ID must be for other reasons.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
Because no one is able to prove the hardship in obtaining an ID, so the reason to keep people voting without an ID must be for other reasons.
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I'd discuss this with you if I had ANY expectation that it would make a difference. The bottom line is if you want to read how and when it can be a hardship to get an State or Federally Issued Photo ID that is not a Student ID but can be a Gun Carry Permit or a Veteran's ID, read the district court's very lengthy analysis of that issue in the Texas case. I'd find the link but it's not hard to find if you're interested. After that if you want to talk about some of the many things brought up by the judge, we'll have a discussion.
 
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Boo Radley said:
But it does, and there are videos available of republicans saying their intent is to suppress voter turn out. This can't be ignored. Before you seek to fix a problem, you have to show it exists. I mean, if you're effort is honest.
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Link?
 
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1750Texan said:
A...marxist Hispaince group uses the term "la Raza". That is not who call themselves raza.

The Democratic Republic of China. That is what China calls themselves. Do you think China is either a Democratic form of government or a republic in our form of governance?

What one group calls themselves is meaningless to all others those that use those terms.
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Not if that reflects its ideology. Words mean things.
 
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1750Texan said:
Conspiring is a judicial determination. Are you a judge?

A video of people "Bulsh*ting" outside... a polling place [my determination...not the videographer's] is not voter fraud. Voter fraud is the act of misrepresentation one's self or ability to vote at the time of voting to an election worker or judge.

Unknown people talking BS outside a Walmart is not.
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Im not a judge, I just know what I saw on that video, and its not the only one. The left is willing to lie, cheat, steal, and even resort to violence when needed. Try not to act so surprised.
 
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X Factor said:
La Raza is like a Mexican version of the [New] Black Panthers. Most Mexican Americans, shoot probably most Mexicans have zero to do with it.
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Fixed that for ya.
 
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