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Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

As the article states: "Al Jazeera America visited these and several other potential double voters. John Paul Williams of Alexandria insists he has never used the alias “John R. Williams.” “I’ve never lived in Georgia,” he says.Jo Cox, wife of suspected double voter Robert Glen Cox of Virginia, says she has a solid alibi for him. Cox “is 85 years old and handicapped. He wasn’t in Georgia. Never voted there,” she says. He has also never used the middle name “Dewey.” Twenty-three percent of the names — nearly 1.6 million of them — lack matching middle names. “Jr.” and “Sr.” are ignored, potentially disenfranchising two generations in the same family. And, notably, of those who may have voted twice in the 2012 presidential election, 27 percent were listed as “inactive” voters, meaning that almost 1.9 million may not even have voted once in that race, according to Crosscheck’s own records. Al Jazeera America met with Kevin Antonio Hayes at his home in Durham. He is listed as having voted a second time, in Virginia, with the middle name Thomas, Hayes and his mother insist that he did not vote at all."

Might help if people actually read the article before commenting..

Nowhere in what you quoted does it state that someone had their name removed from the registrar.
 
And if you have a proper ID, you can prove otherwise. Not a big deal.

I agree that it's absurd that we don't have a proper voter registration database, but I also think that's largely the result of the fraud behind the scheme of allowing double voting to skew elections.

My first thoughts exactly while reading the OP.
 
Jim Crow is back ?

The Democrats who filibustered the 1964 Voting rights act and fought hard for segregation are back ?

And why would you ASSUME that black voters are predisposed to voter fraud ?

You're saying they're more likely to double vote.

That is unfortunately exactly what he is saying. :-/
 
Nowhere in what you quoted does it state that someone had their name removed from the registrar.

They will be removed for testing false positive.
 
Do you deny that my statement is true?

Yes I deny your statement is true. Its incredibly broad and unfounded. People from both parties have double voted at one amount in time. Your comment is a sweeping generalization.
 
They will be removed for testing false positive.

Your article doesn't say they will, nor can you show that anyone was removed.

Show me where a Secretary of State, of any of the 28 states that use this program, has actually removed someone from the voter roles due to this program's information.
 
Yes I deny your statement is true. Its incredibly broad and unfounded. People from both parties have double voted at one amount in time. Your comment is a sweeping generalization.

Yet only one party supports the behavior.
 
1.) The dataset is incredibly flawed. Leaning on false positives. "Crosscheck is incredibly broad with a strong bias toward removing people from the rolls. And the means for verifying voter identity—sending postcards to addresses on file—puts the burden of proof on individual voters and is almost designed to take people off the rolls; with false positives and duplicate names, there’s no guarantee that anyone gets their verification card, to say nothing of voters who have moved or don’t have a permanent address." Al Jazeera America’s reveals massive GOP voter suppression effort: Millions of minorities are being purged from voter rolls ahead of midterm elections.

2.)As the article states: "The three states’ lists are heavily weighted with names such as Jackson, Garcia, Patel and Kim — ones common among minorities, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Indeed, fully 1 in 7 African-Americans in those 27 states, plus the state of Washington (which enrolled in Crosscheck but has decided not to utilize the results), are listed as under suspicion of having voted twice. This also applies to 1 in 8 Asian-Americans and 1 in 8 Hispanic voters. White voters too — 1 in 11 — are at risk of having their names scrubbed from the voter rolls, though not as vulnerable as minorities." Jim Crow returns | Al Jazeera America

Yes. You have demonstrated that there may be problems with the criteria, and that a minority of the names selected may in fact be guilty of nothing. However, unless you wish to argue that black people are more likely to share each others' name (and that would be false - blacks are, in fact, more likely to have unique names) to such a massive degree as to swamp the system with a disproportionate number of false positives (and that would violate the math that you have posted), you are left arguing that a system designed to catch double voters is overwhelmingly catching blacks.

So, why are you arguing that?
 
Your article doesn't say they will, nor can you show that anyone was removed.
3rd sentence of the article: "Already, tens of thousands have been removed in at least one battleground state, and the numbers are expected to climb, according to a six-month-long, nationwide investigation by Al Jazeera America."

Show me where a Secretary of State, of any of the 28 states that use this program, has actually removed someone from the voter roles due to this program's information.
"Based on the Crosscheck lists, officials have begun the process of removing names from the rolls — beginning with 41,637 in Virginia alone. Yet the criteria used for matching these double voters are disturbingly inadequate."
 
Double voters also mainly vote Democrat.

Your evidence of this? Why should I believe this statement anymore than DS' statement that such programs are meant to disenfranchise black voters?
 
Yes. You have demonstrated that there may be problems with the criteria, and that a minority of the names selected may in fact be guilty of nothing.
Which is a huge problem. Possibly and most likely already disenfranchised voters who have done nothing wrong.


So, why are you arguing that?
Because as the article states: "Mark Swedlund is a specialist in list analytics whose clients have included eBay, AT&T and Nike. At Al Jazeera America’s request, he conducted a statistical review of Crosscheck’s three lists of suspected double voters. According to Swedlund, “It appears that Crosscheck does have inherent bias to over-selecting for potential scrutiny and purging voters from Asian, Hispanic and Black ethnic groups. In fact, the matching methodology, which presumes people in other states with the same name are matches, will always over-select from groups of people with common surnames.” Swedlund sums up the method for finding two-state voters — simply matching first and last name — as “ludicrous, just crazy.”
 
3rd sentence of the article: "Already, tens of thousands have been removed in at least one battleground state, and the numbers are expected to climb, according to a six-month-long, nationwide investigation by Al Jazeera America."


"Based on the Crosscheck lists, officials have begun the process of removing names from the rolls — beginning with 41,637 in Virginia alone. Yet the criteria used for matching these double voters are disturbingly inadequate."

You do realize, that the Virginia process is to investigate each name on their own, right?

Its not a "delete * from registration where name in ( crosscheck_list )" command
 
This measure seems to be highly discriminatory against double voters.

You get that out of it? Reads to me like it's highly discriminatory against any two or more people with similar names. Particularly since so many of the so called double voters never even voted once.
 
3rd sentence of the article: "Already, tens of thousands have been removed in at least one battleground state, and the numbers are expected to climb, according to a six-month-long, nationwide investigation by Al Jazeera America."


"Based on the Crosscheck lists, officials have begun the process of removing names from the rolls — beginning with 41,637 in Virginia alone. Yet the criteria used for matching these double voters are disturbingly inadequate."

Not only that, if you saw what I posted earlier my husband, a minority democrat, just suddenly had his voting place moved after 8+ years of voting with no notification. When I saw your article and remembered I was wondering why we didn't get our usual voter card, I decided to look it up real quick and saw his place was moved while mine, a minority independent, still remained at the same place. Just makes you wonder why two people from the same exact address would suddenly have one of them moved with no notice just prior to a hot election when back in May during the primaries, he was still at the same place as me. Not exactly the same as this double voting issue but still kind of on topic.
 
Not only that, if you saw what I posted earlier my husband, a minority democrat, just suddenly had his voting place moved after 8+ years of voting with no notification. When I saw your article and remembered I was wondering why we didn't get our usual voter card, I decided to look it up real quick and saw his place was moved while mine, a minority independent, still remained at the same place. Just makes you wonder why two people from the same exact address would suddenly have one of them moved with no notice just prior to a hot election when back in May during the primaries, he was still at the same place as me. Not exactly the same as this double voting issue but still kind of on topic.

That sounds pretty weird that you both live at the same address, but only his voting location moved. Might want to call the BoE and find out what address is on both of your cards.
 
Again no. If it states you have already voted you cannot vote...

So you get it fixed at the polling station. Happens all the time.

But this is fraud karma, pure and simple.
 
You do realize, that the Virginia process is to investigate each name on their own, right?
Based on the "Crosscheck list", which the whole article states is deeply flawed.

Its not a "delete * from registration where name in ( crosscheck_list )" command
Not what the article states: ""Based on the Crosscheck lists, officials have begun the process of removing names from the rolls — beginning with 41,637 in Virginia alone. "
 
That sounds pretty weird that you both live at the same address, but only his voting location moved. Might want to call the BoE and find out what address is on both of your cards.

I am going to when I get a chance. That's very strange and not only that but he was moved about a mile away, when I know there are atleast 2 other places closer, besides the church we normally vote at.
 
So you get it fixed at the polling station. Happens all the time.
:doh This is not about Voter ID. This is about people being accused of fraud who have done nothing wrong. They are being denied the right to vote because it is showing they have already voted and are trying to vote again.
 
Based on the "Crosscheck list", which the whole article states is deeply flawed.


Not what the article states: ""Based on the Crosscheck lists, officials have begun the process of removing names from the rolls — beginning with 41,637 in Virginia alone. "

That's because you are reading "process of removing names" with ignoring "begun".

If they were given a list of all registered voters, they would have "begun" the same process. And that "process" is for each BoE to do the leg work.
 
I am going to when I get a chance. That's very strange and not only that but he was moved about a mile away, when I know there are atleast 2 other places closer, besides the church we normally vote at.

Some counties have websites where you can put in your name/address to validate you are registered, and it shows your polling place, like this one: https://www.elections.erie.gov/voterlookup.aspx


If you are found, but your husband isn't, then his address is wrong.
 
That's because you are reading "process of removing names" with ignoring "begun".
Over 41,000 have been removed from Virginia as the article states...
 
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