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Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

Northern Light said:
Saying that the big bang is hogwash is not a belief. It's a negative statement. I can't believe in something that I have not witnessed to be true for myself.

The big bang is a theory, not a proven fact. They recently discovered that some aspects of the universe are expanding at different rates than others. The idea that the universe has an origin point is unproven. The big bang theory is science's creation story, nothing more.
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...and a story that more and more scientists are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with.
 
mbig said:
Of course, there is NO evidence of the "existence" of ANY 'god', much less the one you probably have in mind. (that is contradictory to most/at least 3/4 of the other gods/religions such as the Hindu god/s etc)
And of course, Some 'gods' and interpretations of them, ARE contradicted by evolution.
That very debate comes up alot in the philosophy section.
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Kreton said:
You can type that all day, but the existence or lack of existence of God or any other belief as to how the universe was created is a matter of faith. Ive been to the philosophy section and the majority of the posts there are just ignorance on display for the other posters.
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You may have been to the Philosophy section but it's Clear the Science section is Foreign to you.
Not surprisingly, You have NO Posts in the latter outa nearly 5000 you've blighted the board with.

Your posts are ALL ridiculous, from your absurd knowledgeLess Islamist apologism...
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...er-ax-attack-nypd-cops-16.html#post1063906020
I STUFFED...
to your new Goofy pronouncement.
Evolution and Big Bang have Tons of EVIDENCE and UNLIKE [contradDicKtory] Religions do Not require Faith.

ie, Big Bang
Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
3 Observational evidence

3.1 Hubble's law and the expansion of space
3.2 Cosmic microwave background radiation​

3.3 Abundance of primordial elements
3.4 Galactic evolution and distribution
3.5 Primordial gas clouds
3.6 Other lines of evidence​

What have You got for god/dog? ZERO

Evolution's evidence is even More Overwhelming.
And again, Some religions and interpretations thereof, even Christianity, DO conflict with at least Evolution. Still Wrong, No longer even contested by you.

EVERYTHING you post is Wrong.

EDIT to Erod's Goofy attempt below.
It's the old OBTUSE attempt to try equate the emotion "Love" with 'god', INSTEAD of logically equating it with "Faith".
No one doubts you have "Faith", just that the object Of that faith exists.
And of course, 3/4 of the people on the planet (love their children too) and have FAITH in OTHER ContradDicktory 'gods' (Or none), and are just as sure, and at least most, if not all, just as surely/necessarily Wrong.
Duh
 
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mbig said:
You may have been to the Philosophy section but it's Clear the Science section is Foreign to you.

Your posts are ALL ridiculous, from your absurd knowledgeLess Islamist apologism...
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...er-ax-attack-nypd-cops-16.html#post1063906020
I STUFFED

to your new Goofy pronuncement.
Evolution and Big Bang have Tons of EVIDENCE and UNLIKE [contradDicKtory] Religions do Not require Faith.

ie, Big Bang
Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
3 Observational evidence

3.1 Hubble's law and the expansion of space
3.2 Cosmic microwave background radiation
3.3 Abundance of primordial elements
3.4 Galactic evolution and distribution
3.5 Primordial gas clouds
3.6 Other lines of evidence​

What have You got for god/dog? ZERO

EVERYTHING you post is Wrong.
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Do you love your children?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Gravity is also a theory, but I don't see you chucking yourself off the Grand Canyon to stick it to the Athiests.

Humans evolved from an earlier species.

This is categorical.

But nah, we have to go with this idea as to not offend the Christians:

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Your " proof " of our supposed evolutionary path is a Cartoon ?

LOL !!
 
Jetboogieman said:
No, your rebuttal against Evolution has the depth of a Crayon drawing in Kindergarten.

Evolution is fact.

Period.

It does not attempt to explain the origins of life, but it explains how life came to be as it is today.
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You need to learn to chill. Whether evolution is completely true or not won't make a dollar's worth of difference in your life.
 
Jetboogieman said:
That is absolute nonsense, again informed only by an ideological need to refute science because it doesn't gel perfectly with your flimsy religion.
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Bet it made you well up inside with juvenile pride using the word "flimsy".
 
Erod said:
Which fails to explain - and even admits it - the vast gaps that exist in transition from one species of animal to another.
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No. You do not understand the idea of evolution.

There is no evidence to suggest that it's wrong. If you claim there is you are repeating a lie. If you have such evidence you can get a Nobel prize for it.
 
American said:
You need to learn to chill. Whether evolution is completely true or not won't make a dollar's worth of difference in your life.
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Wrong.

The Ebola virus, for example, is being fought using the understanding of how it has evolved and how the selection process is effecting it.

The expected arrival of Bird flue has been predicted because of the understanding of evolution. It has had research done on it before it makes the species jump. We are vastly better prepared for this event because of the amount of understanding we have of the situation which has yet to happen.
 
Tim the plumber said:
No. You do not understand the idea of evolution.

There is no evidence to suggest that it's wrong. If you claim there is you are repeating a lie. If you have such evidence you can get a Nobel prize for it.
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There is a ton of evidence for adaptation and survival of the fittest. That a dog became a horse....no, there is none. Transitional gaps abound everywhere within the evidence.
 
Erod said:
There is a ton of evidence for adaptation and survival of the fittest. That a dog became a horse....no, there is none. Transitional gaps abound everywhere within the evidence.
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No they don't, you are literally talking out your ass.
 
ecofarm said:
Transitional fossils are everywhere. We can observe the evolution of man from ape over the course of millions of years through an unbroken sequence of fossils. The claim of "missing transitions" is a myth perpetuated by religious fanatics.

Regarding the original set of DNA, evolution makes no attempt whatsoever to explain that. The origin of life is NOT part of the theory of evolution.
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So is Mitochondrial Eve out of fashion? Serious question; I haven't been keeping up.
 
mbig said:
You may have been to the Philosophy section but it's Clear the Science section is Foreign to you.
Not surprisingly, You have NO Posts in the latter outa nearly 5000 you've blighted the board with.

Your posts are ALL ridiculous, from your absurd knowledgeLess Islamist apologism...
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...er-ax-attack-nypd-cops-16.html#post1063906020
I STUFFED...
to your new Goofy pronouncement.
Evolution and Big Bang have Tons of EVIDENCE and UNLIKE [contradDicKtory] Religions do Not require Faith.

ie, Big Bang
Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
3 Observational evidence

3.1 Hubble's law and the expansion of space
3.2 Cosmic microwave background radiation​

3.3 Abundance of primordial elements
3.4 Galactic evolution and distribution
3.5 Primordial gas clouds
3.6 Other lines of evidence​

What have You got for god/dog? ZERO

Evolution's evidence is even More Overwhelming.
And again, Some religions and interpretations thereof, even Christianity, DO conflict with at least Evolution. Still Wrong, No longer even contested by you.

EVERYTHING you post is Wrong.

EDIT to Erod's Goofy attempt below.
It's the old OBTUSE attempt to try equate the emotion "Love" with 'god', INSTEAD of logically equating it with "Faith".
No one doubts you have "Faith", just that the object Of that faith exists.
And of course, 3/4 of the people on the planet (love their children too) and have FAITH in OTHER ContradDicktory 'gods' (Or none), and are just as sure, and at least most, if not all, just as surely/necessarily Wrong.
Duh
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Awww. Did get your feelings hurt?

I'll simplify for you. Can you prove big bang? If you cannot it's a belief. I am not even saying it's false, but it's a theory that people choose to believe. At this point it is widely accepted that there was likely a "big bang" but do not have much beyond that. Certainly not a clear understanding. The same can apply the existence of a God.

As for islamist apologizing, I am not as ignorant as some to believe that Muslims are terrorists. There is nothing for me to apologize for.

And as for proving God exists or big bang, neither discussion will go anywhere. The creation of the universe is far from understood. Anyone who claims to know differently is either lying or dumb.
 
nota bene said:
So is Mitochondrial Eve out of fashion? Serious question; I haven't been keeping up.
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" Transitional Fossils " ???

Small fragments of jaw bones that may or may not belong to the " missing link '' is the best " transitional fossils " they've come up with.

Those " transitional fossils " represent evidence thats so profound its changed the " Theory of evolution " to the " Laws of evolution "........wait.

Its still a theory.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, as I see it, Francis is making news in restating Church positions because a lot of people see him as more liberal when in fact he is not diverging from Church positions in the slightest.

It seems to be a special skill that Pope Francis has of stating the Church position in a way that sounds fresh to a lot of people.
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Yes, it does. But as I've frequently said, many who look with favor on this Pope now are going to be surprised when they discover, and they will, that he is...Catholic.

BTW, thank you for your analogy of the watchmaker and the watch.
 
Somerville said:
So, the American Revolution may not have occurred or nobody dropped an nuclear bomb on two Japanese cities because you "have not witnessed" said events?
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Don't be obtuse. Nobody was around to see the big bang and there is no direct evidence that it happened. At least geological history has physical artifacts to support hypotheses. The big bang has nothing to back it up - zero. Anyone who believes in the big bang is believing in faith-based non-sense that's no different than any creation myth.
 
Erod said:
There is a ton of evidence for adaptation and survival of the fittest. That a dog became a horse....no, there is none. Transitional gaps abound everywhere within the evidence.
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A dog doesn't become a horse, but some wolves did become dogs.
 
Northern Light said:
Don't be obtuse. Nobody was around to see the big bang and there is no direct evidence that it happened. At least geological history has physical artifacts to support hypotheses. The big bang has nothing to back it up - zero. Anyone who believes in the big bang is believing in faith-based non-sense that's no different than any creation myth.
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Sorry, but there is a wealth of physical evidence supporting the Big Bang.

What Is The Evidence For The Big Bang?
 
I don't know what the big deal is here. Ok, there was a Big Bang. How the hell does that disprove that God exists?!
It's like investigating where a Corvette came from and tracing it back to a single factory. Ok. So who built the factory? The search doesn't just end with the discovery of an origin point.

Only two kinds of people believe in a strict interpretation of Creationism: extreme religious people and extreme liberals. They rest of us don't put NEAR the weight into it that those people do. get over yourselves
 
JoeTrumps said:
I don't know what the big deal is here. Ok, there was a Big Bang. How the hell does that disprove that God exists?!
It's like investigating where a Corvette came from and tracing it back to a single factory. Ok. So who built the factory? The search doesn't just end with the discovery of an origin point.

Only two kinds of people believe in a strict interpretation of Creationism: extreme religious people and extreme liberals. They rest of us don't put NEAR the weight into it that those people do. get over yourselves
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The Big Bang doesn't disprove God. Nothing does. However, BB does disprove that God formed the earth, and evolution disproves that God made Adam from some mud and Eve from his rib.
 
Northern Light said:
Don't be obtuse. Nobody was around to see the big bang and there is no direct evidence that it happened. At least geological history has physical artifacts to support hypotheses. The big bang has nothing to back it up - zero. Anyone who believes in the big bang is believing in faith-based non-sense that's no different than any creation myth.
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I'm amazed at the level of Scientific ignorance exhibited by those on the left.

From Galactic redshift to the Cosmic Microwave background thats MEASURABLE there actually IS evidence that our Universe started from a singularity nearly 14 Billion years ago.

And NO " geological historical artifacts " have been unearthed to date that would prove that Man descended from Apes.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Gravity is also a theory, but I don't see you chucking yourself off the Grand Canyon to stick it to the Athiests.

Humans evolved from an earlier species.

This is categorical.

But nah, we have to go with this idea as to not offend the Christians:
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Actually, Gravity is not a theory, its a Law. Its gone through scientific process and conclusively proven.

As one that prescribes to Evolution, there are holes in the theory. Its not in the sense that parts have been proven false, its the fact that holes in the theory have yet to be filled. As in some questions have not been answered. Reasons vary and some parts will never be filled unless by some miracle we complete the fossil record 100% (not possible).
 
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