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Hillary Clinton slams trickle-down economics, 'business' doesn't create jobs?

ocean515 said:
Ah yes, the hate Reagan meme, the time liberal/progressives have been taught the World entered the dark ages. What a load.

So let's turn to Europe where the social contract has had a long run. Gee, the EU is not looking so good. What happened? Big taxes, cradle to grave nanny state entitlements, protected jobs, etc., etc.. If this meme of yours worked, why are the economies stagnant? Why aren't all members of the EU not swimming in the glory of the socialist state?

Without the windmill of Reagan and the catch phrase "trickle down" I seriously doubt the truth could be as well hidden from the minions as long as it has been.
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Ahh so you think attacking Europe with false right wing narratives will some how change the subject?

I know you conservative types have a hard time with the truth, and the truth about Reagan is and always will be, that he was in no way the man that so many Conservative idealize. His policies were good and they were bad but the defining economic policy of his, was what is known as trickle down economics and that has failed big time.
 
I don't think even hardcore communists even understand what Reagan did... Reagan basically let the USSR spend themselves into bankruptcy over the Soviet/Afghan war and Regan helped them by dropping weapons to the "rebels" which some eventually became terrorist sects and are using the same weapons against the US to this present day..

Communism fell and Islamic extremism really ramped up.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Maybe the "poor" blow their money on useless **** instead of investing it?
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See that is the problem with you conservative types... "poor" dont have anything to invest once they pay for the basics!

Maybe you cant even quantize the rich and poor and you're just talking out of your ass?
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Sure I can quantitative them, but you wont accept it, so why bother.

What percentage of middle class individuals who started off poor are now rich?
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very few. The middle class has had at best flat income growth the last 30 years. Sure there are a few that made the big time, but they are a very small minority. Where as the top 1% have gotten richer and richer.
 
PeteEU said:
See that is the problem with you conservative types... "poor" dont have anything to invest once they pay for the basics!



Sure I can quantitative them, but you wont accept it, so why bother.



very few. The middle class has had at best flat income growth the last 30 years. Sure there are a few that made the big time, but they are a very small minority. Where as the top 1% have gotten richer and richer.
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There is no problem.... People came to the United States with a few bucks in their pocket and built empires....

Do you not understand that?

Maybe some people are either stupid or not motivated?

Besides do you really believe that some of these ****s living in projects are poor? when in reality most make more in a week than you do a year? but continue to live in housing projects?

Do you think I'm a rich man making fun of poor people? hell no..... However I do understand that it takes effort to get out of the rut....

You just sit there and pretend there success is some sort of patronage people are born into and none of them worked hard for their riches or even took losses trying to find an idea that was successful.
 
PeteEU said:
Ahh so you think attacking Europe with false right wing narratives will some how change the subject?

I know you conservative types have a hard time with the truth, and the truth about Reagan is and always will be, that he was in no way the man that so many Conservative idealize. His policies were good and they were bad but the defining economic policy of his, was what is known as trickle down economics and that has failed big time.
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False right wing narratives? I'll let the record speak for itself, and you can dodge it all you want to hang on to the Reagan meme. It hides so much.

If you want a real "enemy" to do battle with, look no further than the social justice globalization movement. The reason there has been such a shift in incomes has to do with how incomes are earned, not some greedy rich hording money narrative that keeps the eyes of the uninformed on a false target.

If one could push aside the liberal/progressive ideological narrative, one could see the shift began in the US when labor and ever increasing government intervention resulted in the US giving away it's manufacturing edge. The steel industry is a great example of this short sighted effort. Labor hammered for increased wages and benefits, while government reigned down with draconian environmental regulations and little time to implement them. At the same time imports were allowed to be dumped on the market at costs well below those needed for domestic industry to stay viable. Add in the increasing demands of investors for ROI, which included the massive public/private pension plans, and corporations had no choice but to look for ways to lower the cost of finished goods.

Today, business owners from all areas of the economy are screaming for relief from the never ending burden of government mandates, and what is the answer from the liberal/progressive armada? Business people are rich greedy bastards, hording money from the people, and living the good life, while labor is treated like slaves.

What a fantasy. Rather than listen to the people who can make a difference, they are presented as the enemy.
 
Mr.Nick said:
She also said a couple of years ago that "people are too stupid to know whats good for themselves that's why we need government."
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I just wish that politicians like her would just be truthful about their desire for a communist system.
 
This entire thread screams chicken v egg.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Millionth time this thread has been posted.

Taken out of context and bad idea to pursue.

Same with "what difference does it make"

and "you didn't build that"

It'll blow up in your face, because you'll end up doing something stupid like hosting a Republican National convention under the auspices of "We built that" in a stadium built with public money...

I don't know who would do something that stupid...
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Lotsa people ... look all around you.

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Business responds to consumer needs and wants, that is where most jobs come from. Some of our wants are unrecognized until someone invents something that makes life easier, more productive, etc. The education system is hard pressed to keep up with the changes over the last few decades.
As for creating jobs, I would say it is the entrepreneur.
We need some of their skills to create a more responsive education system.
 
bubbabgone said:
You still defending Hillary?
She already buckled.
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I'm not defending her at all. The question stands - if you believe in "trickle down" how much has trickled down to you?
 
Mr.Nick said:
There is no problem.... People came to the United States with a few bucks in their pocket and built empires....

Do you not understand that?

Maybe some people are either stupid or not motivated?

Besides do you really believe that some of these ****s living in projects are poor? when in reality most make more in a week than you do a year? but continue to live in housing projects?

Do you think I'm a rich man making fun of poor people? hell no..... However I do understand that it takes effort to get out of the rut....

You just sit there and pretend there success is some sort of patronage people are born into and none of them worked hard for their riches or even took losses trying to find an idea that was successful.
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I believe the suggestion is that if anyone used a paved road then they didn't create a job.
 
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MMC said:
Yep Ttwtt :2wave: .....then comes the clarification. :lol:



Hillary Clinton tries to walk back jobs comments.....

Hillary Clinton tried Monday to walk back some comments she made last week about job creation that landed her in hot political water. Oops. Cue the outrage, and later, the clarification.

On Monday, Clinton said she “short-handed” her point about the failure of trickle-down economics. More from Clinton on Monday, via Politico: “Our economy grows when businesses and entrepreneurs create good-paying jobs here in America and workers and families are empowered to build from the bottom up and the middle out — not when we hand out tax breaks for corporations that outsource jobs or stash their profits overseas.” She made the comments at a campaign event in upstate New York for Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney.....snip~

Hillary Clinton tries to walk back jobs comments - MarketWatch
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So either she's realized that businesses do in fact create jobs (more so than the government), and I find this unlikely.

More likely that she's gotten the blow back from the electorate, and now she's walking back. Had there been no blow back, I doubt that she'd have bothered to correct herself, typical of all politicians.

Just another 'you didn't built that' moment, a Freudian slip where the true thinking of the person is revealed.
 
rocket88 said:
I'm not defending her at all. The question stands - if you believe in "trickle down" how much has trickled down to you?
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For me, I'm making 5x what my parents made at this point in their life.
 
rocket88 said:
How much of the wealth has trickled down to you so far?
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A hell of a lot of corporate money has trickled down into Clinton coffers. Hillary forgot to mention that little tidbit.
 
rocket88 said:
I'm not defending her at all. The question stands - if you believe in "trickle down" how much has trickled down to you?
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Depends.
If the business was able to expand then the people employed there benefitted. Simple.
If you worked for Solyndra you never had a chance from the get-go. But that was different.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Lotsa people ... look all around you.

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Oooh, are we playing "put up pictures and pretend it represents everyone?" Here's a genius for you:

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See, he's a man of the cloth.

Here's a good one too:

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Not racist at all....
 
humbolt said:
A hell of a lot of corporate money has trickled down into Clinton coffers. Hillary forgot to mention that little tidbit.
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Nobody said any differently. Nice try at a deflection though.

So how much have you gotten?
 
rocket88 said:
How much of the wealth has trickled down to you so far?
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I was never content to wait for the trickle-down from others, I climbed up the ladder with a bucket full of technical education and job skills and did some trading.
From age 18 to 58 I have always been employed and paying taxes, thanks to our rich Uncle Sam. I traded 12 years of active duty service for 3 years of training and 9 years experience. That made me employable.
LSS, it is mostly up to the individual to make himself, or herself, employable....
 
rocket88 said:
Nobody said any differently. Nice try at a deflection though.

So how much have you gotten?
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I've done very well, thank you. It's not a deflection to show that the very thing Hillary is decrying is a major source of income for her.
 
PeteEU said:
See that is the problem with you conservative types... "poor" dont have anything to invest once they pay for the basics!
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:shrug: I had an income low enough for me to qualify for food stamps and I managed to save and invest.

We used an ancient piece of black magic called a "Budget" to perform the "Living on Less Than We Make" rite. Because of our dark powers, we are now on track to retire millionaires.

Sure I can quantitative them, but you wont accept it, so why bother.
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Plenty of people have quantified the wealthy and poor. For a single example, see below:

Mr.Nick said:
What percentage of middle class individuals who started off poor are now rich?
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very few. The middle class has had at best flat income growth the last 30 years. Sure there are a few that made the big time, but they are a very small minority. Where as the top 1% have gotten richer and richer.
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Actually that is a false statistic that assumes or implies that the same individuals stay in the same income brackets for their entire lives. So, for example, all income brackets could remain perfectly flat as far as growth, but individuals who moved up as they aged and then retired would mean that people were, in fact, becoming wealthier, having started poorer.

In Europe this may be different, but in America the vast majority of our wealthy are actually first-generation wealthy (about 80%) who started off from the lower or middle classes. What we are starting to see here is a bifurcation now where the upper middle class are producing upper middle class offspring and lower income earners are producing lower income earning offspring - but that is the result of major cultural decisions common to each population more than policy.
 
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