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Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi[W:480]

Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

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Jonathan Kay: America’s firearms culture forged by paranoia, racism and civil rights unrest
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This week, the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit upheld a 2011 Florida law that makes it illegal for doctors to ask parents if they keep a gun in their house — notwithstanding the fact that the presence of such a weapon is, according to one expert, “43 times more likely to be involved in the death of a member of the household than to be used in self-defence.”
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Earlier this year, Georgia Governor Nathan Deal signed legislation known to critics as the “guns everywhere bill.” The law allows Georgia residents to carry guns into bars,
(cause guns and alchol go so well together)
... most government buildings and gun-friendly churches
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On the same day, Kansas Governor Sam Brownback signed a bill that would ban any local government from enforcing ordinances that restrict the open carrying of firearms. “Kansans have long believed the right to bear arms is a constitutional right,” he explained.
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Meanwhile, members of a group called “Open Carry Texas” are marching proudly through busy stores and parking lots armed with assault rifles, small children in tow.
(teach your children well)
...In one iconic photo, an overweight man with a massive gun slung over his shoulder stands in front of a rack of baby toys at Target, drinking from a bottle of water. According to Open Carry Texas founder CJ Grisham, such stunts will help show Americans that liberals’ collective fear of guns is “irrational.”
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Well then colour me irrational. And colour all of Canada irrational, too — even the conservative parts.
There is a fine line between responsible gun-rights advocacy and America’s GOP-enabled Yosemite Sam gun-cult carnival — and I feel comfortable drawing that line around the diaper section of my local big-box store.
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...Yeeee Haw!!!!
Jonathan Kay: America’s firearms culture forged by paranoia, racism and civil rights unrest | National Post

I smell hosiery

Jonathon Kay-WTF is he and why should I care about his silly idiotic rants. I see he is well educated but has no real expertise in the subject matter. I get the fact that many leftwing fruitcakes pretend to bash guns out of a concern for public safety when in reality, far left fruitcakes don't like conservatives and bashing guns is a proxy
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

do you own a gun?
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three
all registered... no problem and they haven't taken them away
but back to the question
(instead of you answering a question with another question)
what do you find so intrusive about it?
 
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three
all registered... no problem and they haven't taken them away
but back to the question
(instead of you answering a question with another question)
what do you find so intrusive about it?

really what kind

I was in England and heard from sheeple that registration of handguns would never lead to confiscation. that was in 95. guess what happened after one active shooter with handguns killed a bunch of kids the following spring
 
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a complete fail. Joe steel claims merely buying a gun is proof of evil intent. if each and every gun owner was as evil as joe steel claims, he would have been shot multiple times by now. the fact that he posts those hateful lies proves he doesn't believe what he says.

your analytical effort as to what I said is pretty pathetic.
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okay
so that's your opinion on this joe guy
your not bosom buddies...I get it

what does that have to do with my question
"will you pull out your pistolaros"
on this?
"As I noted, he doesn't believe the hate filled crap he spews at gun owners. IF he did, he'd be too scared to spew it"
after all
he might live on the other side of the planet from you
so what might he have to fear?
 
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okay
so that's your opinion on this joe guy
your not bosom buddies...I get it

what does that have to do with my question
"will you pull out your pistolaros"
on this?
"As I noted, he doesn't believe the hate filled crap he spews at gun owners. IF he did, he'd be too scared to spew it"
after all
he might live on the other side of the planet from you
so what might he have to fear?

He lives in Mo-a state that is full of gun owners. I shot in the NSSA world skeet championships there. St Louis is one of the capitals of shotgun sports with the ST Louis and Gateway gun clubs there and Lidenwood University which currently dominates intercollegiate shotgun sports.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

really what kind

I was in England and heard from sheeple that registration of handguns would never lead to confiscation. that was in 95. guess what happened after one active shooter with handguns killed a bunch of kids the following spring

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why are you refusing to answer my question?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

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why are you refusing to answer my question?

What is intrusive about it, is that it's none of the government's damn business what kind of gun I own, how many, or what I intend to do with them, as long as it's not illegal.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

I smell hosiery

Jonathon Kay-WTF is he and why should I care about his silly idiotic rants. I see he is well educated but has no real expertise in the subject matter. I get the fact that many leftwing fruitcakes pretend to bash guns out of a concern for public safety when in reality, far left fruitcakes don't like conservatives and bashing guns is a proxy
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one needs " real expertise " to figure out alcohol and firearms don't mix?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

What is intrusive about it, is that it's none of the government's damn business what kind of gun I own, how many, or what I intend to do with them, as long as it's not illegal.
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they know what vehicle you own and use
what makes a firearm so different?
after all its only a tool
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

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they know what vehicle you own and use
what makes a firearm so different?
after all its only a tool

There isn't the equivalent of a second amendment for automobiles, which guarantees me the right to own and bear, and which "shall not be infringed".
 
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why are you refusing to answer my question?

see post 383. the federal government does not have the proper power to require me, a private seller who is limited to intra-state sales to go through the hassle of finding some dealer to perform a background check of someone I way to sell a gun to
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

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they know what vehicle you own and use
what makes a firearm so different?
after all its only a tool

who is trying to ban cars?
 
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one needs " real expertise " to figure out alcohol and firearms don't mix?

his rant was far more than that,it was bogus faux constitutional scholarship that fails to note that the founders presumed a natural right of men to be armed and NEVER PROPERLY gave the federal government any power to regulate arms.

His fellation of the Miller Decision was intellectually lazy and silly
 
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There isn't the equivalent of a second amendment for automobiles, which guarantees me the right to own and bear, and which "shall not be infringed".
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hold on now
its the well regulated militia that has that right
but lets pretend its joe citizen for a moment
is regulation not meaning well regulated?
and regulations imply registering
otherwise not well regulated at all
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

see post 383. the federal government does not have the proper power to require me, a private seller who is limited to intra-state sales to go through the hassle of finding some dealer to perform a background check of someone I way to sell a gun to

I never have, and will not.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

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hold on now
its the well regulated militia that has that right
but lets pretend its joe citizen for a moment
is regulation not meaning well regulated?
and regulations imply registering
otherwise not well regulated at all


Nope, The citizens have that right. Ask the SCOTUS if you have some doubts about that.
A regulated militia had nothing to do with firearms regulations. It had to do with training.
 
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I never have, and will not.

If a felon has a gun, requiring him to do a background check if he wishes to transfer it to some other mope for drugs or women, violates his rights under the 5th Amendment and is thus unconstitutional. and people who engage in straw purchases and then give the gun to the real purchaser who is a felon or other prohibited person, are not going to do them either.

Its a feel good law that has no value but will be used by gun hating scum to demand

1) draconian penalties on people who forget or neglect to comply with the stupid law

2) universal gun registration. How can someone be prosecuted for failing to conduct the check if the government cannot prove when the gun was sold?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

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hold on now
its the well regulated militia that has that right
but lets pretend its joe citizen for a moment
is regulation not meaning well regulated?
and regulations imply registering
otherwise not well regulated at all

such a question demonstrates you have ZERO understanding about the entire foundation of the constitution and the bill of rights

are you suggesting that the 2A is a delegation of power to the federal government to regulate the militia? that is certainly what you are suggesting

and suggesting that ANY part of the bill of rights is a source of power for the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT completely dooms ANYTHING you will say about the constitution to the rubbish heap
 
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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

As simple as these word are there are sure a lot that want to continue to argue over them. That's fine but also points out the ignorance that lives among us. Is it due to our current education system that for the most part that doesn't teach about our founding, Constitutional first principles but is more inclined to focus on social justice, test scores and all that jazz? Yeah. It's af bi-product of people allowing their local school districts to be so influenced by a federal government out of control. And because of this part of the problem is that many people engaged in the argument do not interpret the 2nd Amendment with respect for its historical context, but rather in light of what they want it to mean in support of their purposes. The issue is further complicated by the fact that an increasingly large proportion of the U.S. population has no experience in the use of arms; they see arms as irrelevant to their lives at best or a threat at worst. But that is the biggest lie of all that so many are willing to fall for. Democracy is fragile and always susceptible to despotism, and we should not be so arrogant as to suppose we are not equally susceptible.The 2nd Amendment is always susceptible to tyrants, but is vulnerable if too many of us are ignorant of its purpose. And from where I am sitting, there seems to be a lot of ignorant ones. Everyday I read about attacks to the 1st Amendment over free speech, religious liberties and the 2nd Amendment? The very two most important to the founders being attacked daily. Is it by design? I am incline to believe so because those two Amendments are at the heart and soul of assuring life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Wake up America.

Edit- I think it is fair to say that those who come on this forum after every incident where a firearm was used in mass killings as a reason for more gun control legislation miss the mark. Maybe it is high time to find out why so many these school shooters are young males from teens to mid twenties. Maybe it is time to start investigating if they were on an array of anti-depressants as so many before them have been found out to be. Maybe it is time to start doing studies on how many of these males who do these types of deeds are from single parent homes. Maybe it is time to look at WHY the breakdown of our society and the lack of respect for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

And I don't oppose you having a gun and for you to defend yourself. But how this is done and where the lines are might well be seen differently by the founding fathers than they saw it then.

I don't think they would shun people defending themselves anywhere in the nation though. They didn't have police forces. Hell Alexander Hamilton went heels with Aaron burr. Clearly the founders were not reticent of firearm.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

I don't think they would shun people defending themselves anywhere in the nation though. They didn't have police forces. Hell Alexander Hamilton went heels with Aaron burr. Clearly the founders were not reticent of firearm.

But isn't the point that many today don't even understand the reason for the 2nd amendment? The Founders understood the real threat of tyranny. They lived it. I find big government lovers are more inclined to think it old-fashioned to be a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment because some of them are so far up the federal government's ass they would allow the government to control when they fart sideways in the name of global warming initiatives. They have no real appreciation of liberty. They like having everything micromanaged because they think they know what is best for you. And that is where the danger lies.
 
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The NRA has dismissed the death of the innocents as just part of the cost of doing business. To the NRA, dead children are close to meaningless. Supporting the NRA is a reprehensible and repugnant behavior.

Prove it. Prove your claim. Note your gun control stance is always weak until you can use phrases like:

dead children

Why is that? We get into the nitty gritty of this debate and your argument falls dead. So why don't you tell me...share with me PLEASE...what do you think should be done? Because all you have mentioned to me has been "NRA is bad" and "dead children" and "guns are bad."

Tl:dr

What the hell is your argument? What "gun control" do you think is going to solve this problem?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

But isn't the point that many today don't even understand the reason for the 2nd amendment? The Founders understood the real threat of tyranny. They lived it. I find big government lovers are more inclined to think it old-fashioned to be a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment because some of them are so far up the federal government's ass they would allow the government to control when they fart sideways in the name of global warming initiatives. They have no real appreciation of liberty. They like having everything micromanaged because they think they know what is best for you. And that is where the danger lies.

While agree with the sentiment...the nanny staters can be beaten in 2-3 ways:

1) ballot box

2) age

3) giving them real non government jobs

The 2nd doesn't really apply to brains them.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

That would require constitutional amendment and is very unlikely to happen. ...

Maybe. Maybe not. The American gun cult's belief in a right to guns was created by NRA propaganda. A debunking campaign could reverse the insanity.
 
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