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Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi[W:480]

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btw, I own guns for self-defense and recreation. The last thing I EVER EVER want to do is kill anyone. I just dont want to be harmed or killed. Are you suggesting I should allow someone to do so to me? Or wait for the cops, when they are more than 10 minutes away? (Presuming I can even call them.)

So....wrong again.

You said it yourself -- self-defense. You want to kill someone who attacks you or whom you think is attacking you.
 
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We all know the next gun massacre is just a matter of time. Betting on it, while it may seem cold, is part of human nature.

Looks like you are salivating about another incident already.

Never let a good tragedy go to waste, right?
 
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If you have guns, you are a danger to yourself, your family and the community. Everyone in contact with you should be concerned and should remain watchful.

Opinion devoid of fact and common sense.
 
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If you have guns, you are a danger to yourself, your family and the community. Everyone in contact with you should be concerned and should remain watchful.

Not to worry, the Founding Fathers created an instrument to protect society from people who think like you.
 
Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi...

And denial is not just a river in Egypt.

You got burned attacking me earlier over the uzi comment and now you hate it that I was proven true not too soon after despite the efforts of some here. So live with it and get past it.

You and I both know darn well from these incidents in the past that the discussion "gun free zones" is not too far back in the distance in any of these things.

Sorry for bringing reality into this - but its often inconvenient. Necessary - but inconvenient for some.

No chance:

"LET'S TRY NOT TO EVEN BRING THAT UP" !!!!!!!!!

Amazing!!!! And a white elephant in the room should just be ignored also and it will soon never have been there. Totally amazing.

A story about another school shooting where innocent kids are wounded and die and we are all suppose to pretend we are the three monkey statues?

Truly amazing!!!!!!!

You wanted to start talking about guns right away. Not people. Mental health. Not social media. Don't even try to say otherwise. You wanted to bring up and blame guns as badly as you think people wanted to blame gun free zones.

This isn't about gun free zones. It isn't about guns. It is about what the hell is going in with our kids. And you are distracting from a quality discussion by screaming comments about elephants and Uzis.

Now tell me. Did the gun cause this? No. It didn't. And you know it. So what is it that dragged this kid down? How can we better understand kids today?
 
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The two are inseparable. Discussing gun death without discussing the NRA isn't logical.

She's right - you really need to STFU.
 
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The two are inseparable. Discussing gun death without discussing the NRA isn't logical.

That is pathetic because there are massive gun deaths in places like Mexico and no NRA. I doubt ANY of the gun crimes in DC or Chicago involve NRA Members.
 
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That is pathetic because there are massive gun deaths in places like Mexico and no NRA. I doubt ANY of the gun crimes in DC or Chicago involve NRA Members.

There you go using common sense again!
 
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We've spent close to 40 years teaching children....

... that they're super-special snowflakes who are entitled to everything good...
Except this has happened in dozens of countries that don't have the same problem, or at least to the same extent. What makes the US different?

... that they're just highly evolved animals, not immortal souls...
The teaching of evolution isn't unique to the US.

... that there is no God, or if there is there is no judgment by him...
The US is the most religious of all western nations, yet it has the worst homicide problem of any developed, western nation.

... that it is okay to kill innocent babies in the womb if they are inconvenient...
The US has one of the lower abortion rates in the developed world, but the highest homicide rate. Next.

.... that things like the 10 Commandments are outdated and all morality is relative....
The US is THE most God-fearing, bible-believing, church-attending of developed nations...with the highest homicide rate.


... and then we wonder why stuff like this happens?
When is anyone going to be intellectually brave enough to investigate whether the relationship between ordinary Americans and violence and weapon-ownership might have something to do with your extraordinary homicide rate?

I respect your right to your own opinions Goshin, but this sounds like a dump of every social development of the past 50 years, with absolutely no effort put into analysing whether there is any correlation between said development and violence in adolescents. All those socially-progressive developments you listed? To tell the truth the US is behind the curve on almost all of them in comparison to their neighbours in the developed world. There are greater percentages of atheists, evolution-believers, abortionists and religion-rejecters in almost every developed nation than there are in the US, and yet the US has a uniquely severe homicide problem. Doesn't that suggest you might be looking in all the wrong places, because it's too politically incorrect to look in the right places?
 
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That is pathetic because there are massive gun deaths in places like Mexico and no NRA. I doubt ANY of the gun crimes in DC or Chicago involve NRA Members.

and nothing more than an attempt to shift the blame to something other than the shooter.
 
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It's be really cool for once to see both sides responses to an minority of gun owners attacking people in a similar way to how they respond to a minority of Muslims attacking people in the name of their religious/socio-religious views.
 
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The news is saying two of the victims are cousins of the shooter and the grandfather of one (NBC News, 8.02 AM EDST today) says his grandson was very close to the shooter.
 
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Looks like you are salivating about another incident already.

Never let a good tragedy go to waste, right?

I'd prefer it didn't happen but it will and it won't be my fault.
 
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Not to worry, the Founding Fathers created an instrument to protect society from people who think like you.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
 
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If you really believed the crap you spew you'd be afraid to spew it lest some gun owner would shoot you

that you constantly insult gun owners means you really don't believe the vast majority of them are anywhere near as dangerous as you pretend we are. ...

That's interesting.

You seem to be implying your gun rights are superior to my speech rights.

Here's a recent article which discusses that kind of attitude: When Guns Trample Speech, Do We Have a Democracy?

The problem with the kind of Second Amendment absolutism stoked by the NRA and made into law by legislators and judges is that gun rights taken to extremes inherently imperil other rights. The raisons d’être of guns not used for hunting are self-defense and intimidation. A society where guns are unregulated and the threat of gun violence cannot be legally checked is a society where intimidation becomes the norm and freedom of speech can be easily abridged.

The Constitution is not frictionless machine in which all the parts move harmoniously together. Some of the rights it guarantees collide with other rights it guarantees. The elevation of the Second Amendment into a super-right has now diminished others—including those that the founders quite deliberately put first.

Are you saying gun possessors are a kind of first class citizen and all non-possessors are second class citizens?
 
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The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Correct. Tyranny and defense were so important, it was the second issue our Founding Fathers addressed. Allowing citizens to be left defenseless against the two was a potential form of suicide they would not allow to be abdicated to those who might demand it.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Correct. Tyranny and defense were so important, it was the second issue our Founding Fathers addressed. Allowing citizens to be left defenseless against the two was a potential form of suicide they would not allow to be abdicated to those who might demand it.

That's why they reserved the right to control the military to the People.
 
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Did you actually read it? Definitely NOT debunked! Seems there is a difference of opinion regarding the control of other factors and the data available. Anything on Romania where the reverse happened in 1966?

I've read it several times, I've also read the sources the article cites. The freakonomics assertion is ridiculously flawed and ignores a whole host of factors.
 
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No chance:



You wanted to start talking about guns right away.

What I wanted to do was match your prediction with one of my own. And it was right on the money. And that is what irritates you so much.

This isn't about gun free zones

But it inevitably seems to get there jut the same in these discussions. And that is what my comment attempted to expose and another poster willingly supplied the proof.

I really do not know what you are so angry about? The body count was very small and it would take a Sandy Hook type event ever month for at least a year - maybe even two - for the sheer political power of the NRA to be neutralized.

So rest easy.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

That's why they reserved the right to control the military to the People.

And allowed the People to protect themselves from the Military and others who would want them defenseless. And as our Founding Fathers predicted, there will be people like you who want them that way, so they took care of that as their second order of business.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Marysville Pilchuck HS. One of my former schools. Details sketchy

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Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville, Washington,

No one will ever convince me that psychotropic medications are not responsible for most of these incidents. If a reliable study were ever done, we would be astounded at the correlation. The side effects of these meds, prescribed like popcorn to our loved ones, are appalling.
 
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