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Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

Give them enough time and they'll warp back nearly a thousand years and bring up the Crusades.

They've been burned a few times with that analogy in recent years. You can't argue that Islamic extremists aren't Muslim and still argue that Crusaders were Christian. The "Crusaders aren't Christian" argument at least has the benefit of the fact that Jesus was not a conquering warlord and taught us to love our enemy while Mohammad slaughtered thousands. The progressives have a tough internal struggle going now to figure out which paradigm they want to hold onto most: Evil Christianity or Benign Islam.

Or they'll just be hypocrites.
 
What the hell difference does that make? If the RW is really concerned about Americans being killed, there is a lot more good they could do than stir up hate toward some religious group that in the big picture causes few deaths in the US.

I dont really care what you call the president. Or anyone else for that matter. Why would I care?

Why do you feel such sympathy for Islamic extremists?
 
If there is really someone trying to kill innocent people I am all for killing them first. What is your point? You just made that up because you have no rational response.
Why do you feel such sympathy for Islamic extremists?
 
No one has raised that argument here.

Yeah, when the crux of his argument depends on "I read it on Facebook" he should probably rethink posting the argument.
 
Is it worth keeping tabs on? Absolutely. But then some of the posts I've seen on "Real Conservative" Facebook page say to round up Muslims and either deport them or kill them. Sorry, that's a little too far for my tastes.

I don't think it's out of the question that Muslims might be interned some day, especially if this country suffers a major attack by jihadists. President Roosevelt did that with Japanese-Americans, using an executive order--you know, those things B. Hussein Obama has made so popular. And the Supreme Court upheld the order as constitutional.

There are a lot of bad characters in the U.S. who should have been deported a long time ago. And some of them are fifth columnists for jihad. The Muslim Brotherhood has set up quite a few front groups in this country, the best known one probably being CAIR. The ones who are not U.S. citizens should be deported as undesirables. We don't have any obligation to let any alien, from any nation, stay on U.S. territory, for any reason at all. Except for resident aliens who are working to become U.S. citizens, they all stay here at our pleasure.
 
Is it worth keeping tabs on? Absolutely. But then some of the posts I've seen on "Real Conservative" Facebook page say to round up Muslims and either deport them or kill them. Sorry, that's a little too far for my tastes.

I don't think that would be the way to proceed either.

The ones who recently change their names and are new followers of Islam will be hard to track.
 
You interested in comparing the number of violent muslim attacks in this country to the number attacks by Christians? Jews? Whites? Blacks? Males? Females? People over 5 ft tall? People with blonde hair? People with tattoos? People who consider themselves independents?

We have enough crime in this country, and a great variety of people commiting those crimes, that you can pick almost any factor you want. Deosn't matter what it is. And you will find people committing crimes, attacks ect who meet that criteria.

you bet. Let's compare the violent attacks by anyone motivated by their extremist fundamentalist ideology.

It DOES matter.
 
A hatchet-swinging psycho with Islamic militant leanings turned a busy Queens street corner into a scene of bloody chaos Thursday, chopping a rookie cop in the back of the head and slicing a second officer on the arm before two other officers shot him dead.
In opening fire on the madman, cops accidentally wounded a bystander, *authorities said.
Officer Kenneth Healey, 25, had just four months on the job when Zale Thompson, 32, of Queens — a “scholarly” but “weird” *recent convert to Islam — fractured the back of the cop’s skull with one swing of a blue-handled hatchet at about 2 p.m. in Jamaica.

Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops | New York Post

It's not a terrorist attack.

It's workplace violence
 
Why arent you worried about things proportional to their actual threat? How many people have been killed in gun crimes in the last few years, are you thousands of times more worried about that than ISIS?

Hell ya. FINALLY!!! A liberal anxious to step up the aggressive enforcement of law against all violent criminals and a willingness to lock their ass away for a very very very long time. I love it.
 
you bet. Let's compare the violent attacks by anyone motivated by their extremist fundamentalist ideology.

It DOES matter.

Ok lets compare. You post deaths in the United States caused by Muslims and I'll post deaths caused by any other group I have listed. You choose which one I'll do.
 
OK, you guys are right, I can go with that. how many deaths were caused in US by any sort of Muslim vs Gun crime and why isnt the outrage proportional?
The outrage isn't proportional because any time violent crimes in America are discussed liberals trip over themselves to excuse and justify the perpetrators of the violent criminal acts. Liberals won't address who is committing the vast majority of criminal acts. I'm glad to see you are willing to buck that trend and call it out regardless of the skin tone of those committing the vast majority of those violent crimes. Ready to build more prisons?
 
There are a lot of people and groups in this world, and in this country that encourage attacking people. Its amazing how quickly you people buy into this ****. Time and time again. Be afraid. Be very afraid. The muslims are coming. BOO!
Just the radical ones.
 
And from those that are not...

Man who beheaded and ate fellow passenger on Greyhound bus believed he was attacking alien, mental health advocate says* - NY Daily News

Bias confirmation p!us internet is a dandy of a thing. People generally get what it is they are looking for.

I certainly wouldn't equate a conversion to Islam with a mental disorder. Also, this person didn't recently made a recent significant change in his lifestyle. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have made significant lifestyle changes and didn't go on a rampage, but like you say, those don't hit the news.
 
The outrage isn't proportional because any time violent crimes in America are discussed liberals trip over themselves to excuse and justify the perpetrators of the violent criminal acts. Liberals won't address who is committing the vast majority of criminal acts. I'm glad to see you are willing to buck that trend and call it out regardless of the skin tone of those committing the vast majority of those violent crimes. Ready to build more prisons?

I am curious as to who you are saying commits the majority of criminal acts?
 
Ok lets compare. You post deaths in the United States caused by Muslims and I'll post deaths caused by any other group I have listed. You choose which one I'll do.
the challenge is not finding murderers committing acts that happen to have blue eyes and blonde hair but BECAUSE they have blue eyes and blonde hair. Or more specifically...BECAUSE they are fundamentalist Muslims or BECAUSE as you were quick to try to divert to...they are Christian.
 
I am curious as to who you are saying commits the majority of criminal acts?

Read an FBI report on violent criminal acts.
 
Why do people make it a bigger deal when it is a muslim attack on someone as opposed to someone else? Crime is crime.

Perhaps because there is an ideological movement behind the one person ... not just the one person.
 
Why do you feel such sympathy for Islamic extremists?

Perhaps there would be more outrage if it were a Catholic or Baptist that did the axing. :shrug:
 
That might make sense if 90% of the worlds muslims were out committing acts of violence in the United States ( or anywhere). But I assume you realize that ISIS/muslim extremists make up a very small portion of the muslims in the world right? I would also assume that you are aware that the majority of ISIS/muslim extremists are not in the US? Furthermore the people who I have heard of that have committed acts in the name of these people in the US (just like this guy) were not muslims or members of ISIS or anything for very long. These guys were mentally unstable prior to that.

Yes, there are lots of mentally unstable people in this world - some of them congregate as Muslim extremists. Identifying and admitting such no more paints all Muslims as murderous extremists than pointing out a black person or a white person is the suspect in a crime paints all black people or white people as criminals. Blindly avoiding the obvious simply paints you as blind.
 
is there a level of murder that isnt considered radical?
Not that I'm aware of.

But I'm talking ideologically radical here.

There are ideologies out there that support and encourage acts such as this one, and some of those ideologies are radical Islamic ideologies.

One of these appears to possibly be involved in this case.
 
the challenge is not finding murderers committing acts that happen to have blue eyes and blonde hair but BECAUSE they have blue eyes and blonde hair. Or more specifically...BECAUSE they are fundamentalist Muslims or BECAUSE as you were quick to try to divert to...they are Christian.

Fair enough. You first. Do muslim acting in the name of faith. I'll do Christians. (and for the record I am not an athiest and you can find plenty of posts from me defending christianity on this site. I dont hate or dislike christianity or christians. I am simply proving a point).

Target time frame will be the last 10 years.
 
Not that I'm aware of.

But I'm talking ideologically radical here.

There are ideologies out there that support and encourage acts such as this one, and some of those ideologies are radical Islamic ideologies.

One of these appears to possibly be involved in this case.

Ideologies are there to support a lot murder. Or in this case attempted murder. How is this mans ideology worse than a man whos ideals make him believe women are sluts who need to be punished? Or a Nazi/Skinhead whos ideologies cause him to believe jews deserve to be slaughterd? Gang member who believe a rival gang member deserves to be shot? A christian who kills a muslim because they are scared they may be a terrorist?
 
Yes, there are lots of mentally unstable people in this world - some of them congregate as Muslim extremists. Identifying and admitting such no more paints all Muslims as murderous extremists than pointing out a black person or a white person is the suspect in a crime paints all black people or white people as criminals. Blindly avoiding the obvious simply paints you as blind.

I am not avoiding anything.
 
Perhaps there would be more outrage if it were a Catholic or Baptist that did the axing. :shrug:

If it were a catholic who did it I think we'd be seeing more of the opposite. Even if they yelled "IN CHRISTS NAME I STRIKE THEE" before axing the guy while wearing a priests robe. You'd see more conservatives saying how its a small number of catholics or christians committing these acts and more liberals pointing out that Christianity is evil.
 
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