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Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

Well, Jeez. Timothy McVeigh called himself a Christian. I guess that means that Christians are terrorists too.

Sheesh.

I chalk that one up to revenge, not to his religion.
 
Why do people make it a bigger deal when it is a muslim attack on someone as opposed to someone else? Crime is crime.

The usual suspects freak the **** out when the attacker is 1) white, 2) conservative, 3) religious & 4) a militia member. Do you recall Salon jumping the shark after the Boston Bombings?
 
Give them enough time and they'll warp back nearly a thousand years and bring up the Crusades.

We have already seem comparisons to the witch trials of the 1600s. Now that was funny.
 
I don't think that would be the way to proceed either.

The ones who recently change their names and are new followers of Islam will be hard to track.

Do they do it legally, or just one day they tell people to call them something else?
 
And as I keep pointing out there are many more people of any other classification who are committing acts of terror in the United States art a much higher level that ISIS who I dont think has killed more than a couple people on US soil. It has nothing to do with the muslim faith, and everything to do with people who hate and want to cause death using religion as an excuse.

Even if there is, does that mean the Muslims should not be commented on at all?

Why are Muslims special in that regard for you?
 
Can you rationally separate the extremist and regular Muslims as two different groups?

The extremists, well what we call extremists, follow what their book says.

Regular Muslims haven't started to yet.

What happens when a lot more of them do start to follow their book?
 
The image strikes terror to us civilians:

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But he was influenced from ISIS to attack with an axe fully armed cops?! What a stupid idea!

Could this be the American version of the suicide bomber?

It is too hard for these mentally deficiant people to get a bomb so they go with hatchets.
 
I would say the number of fatalities in Iraq are insignificant compared to the men that died just on D-Day, let alone the rest of WWII. Why does the left even comment on how many died in Iraq?
Exactly. More good men died on D-Day than the eight years in Iraq. But during WWI and WWII all Americans supported their leadership and their troops, no matter how they may have personally felt about war. Eisenhower was so popular after the war he was elected President while leftists referred to a hero of Iraq as General "Betrayus".

Since the 'moral equivalence' arguments from the Cold War, beginning some 50 years ago, the left has turned on America and supported its enemies, no matter how brutal or immoral they might be. No military, or country, can meet the unrealistic exceptions leftists groups expect of their military and leaders while those who would destroy America and its people are glossed over, if not given a pass. Even Saddam Hussein is often looked upon with greater sympathy than George Bush. Leftism is a form of mental instability, and is not much better than those who would destroy the democracies.
 
I chalk that one up to revenge, not to his religion.
That silliness is often mentioned in the old "moral equivalence' argument but of course religion had nothing to do with McVie's crime. Nor did he shout "God is Great" later. It is an adolescent attempt to put Christians in the same category as Muslims.
 
Could this be the American version of the suicide bomber?

It is too hard for these mentally deficiant people to get a bomb so they go with hatchets.
They did it with a bomb in Boston, and they have tried other bombs in the past but have been foiled. It seems they have changed tactics now.
 
I'm not very terrified though.

I mean, at this point if it happens it happens, and it's so unlikely I'd do more harm to myself by worrying about it than anything.

Wow Mark...So you don't really care if other American's are killed, as long as you can lump it in with other regular crime and murder in the US, and not acknowledge that it is actually a direct result of our enemies being within our midst....How can you be so unfeeling for your fellow citizen?
 
Wow Mark...So you don't really care if other American's are killed, as long as you can lump it in with other regular crime and murder in the US, and not acknowledge that it is actually a direct result of our enemies being within our midst....How can you be so unfeeling for your fellow citizen?

Perhaps a better way to think of it is to understand that there is no way to prevent attacks like these. We do need to harden ourselves to them since they will continue to happen. We need to spend our time attacking the beliefs that cause these converted nuts to do what they do. They are converting to Islam because they are sorry people who get support from the mosques they enter. They are getting harmful motivations along with that support at those mosques and we need to find ways to counter it.
 
I was thinking about googling it, I guess. But yea, I meant good.

Those evil people at Google are taking over words like good.
 
Wow Mark...So you don't really care if other American's are killed, as long as you can lump it in with other regular crime and murder in the US, and not acknowledge that it is actually a direct result of our enemies being within our midst....How can you be so unfeeling for your fellow citizen?
Your attempt at sarcasm is inaccurate.
 
My observation was about the stories about those who have recently converted. That seems very strange to me that someone who recently converted would become so radicalized, so quickly. Don't you find it odd? I'm not aware of anyone who has recently converted to any other religion to have caused this kind of extreme personal violence.

I'm thinking they were probably already effed in the head and used the conversion as an excuse to act out in a way they had already intended to. To belong.
 
I'm thinking they were probably already effed in the head and used the conversion as an excuse to act out in a way they had already intended to. To belong.

What if that isn't the case? What if their recruitment required some kind of initiation. Its easy to say they were effed in the head after they do something like this.
 
What if that isn't the case? What if their recruitment required some kind of initiation. Its easy to say they were effed in the head after they do something like this.

I think it's more likely to be already effed in the head than to claim instant brainwashed effed in the head.
 
I think it's more likely to be already effed in the head than to claim instant brainwashed effed in the head.

Probably, but does that infer that some groups of Muslims are recruiting those with mental illness? It is certainly more sane to have someone else do your dirty work than to do it yourself and killed.
 
Probably, but does that infer that some groups of Muslims are recruiting those with mental illness?

I can believe that for sure. Just like the Russians during the cold war looked to turn agents by finding the ones with obvious weaknesses that could be used against them. Alcoholism... outting them if they were gay... trying to work a mistress in on them.

It is certainly more sane to have someone else do your dirty work than to do it yourself and killed.

These ****s that preach suicide bombing unfortunately don't practice it themselves for sure. Religion has always been about controlling peoples' lives by threatening or promising them their afterlives.
 
Probably, but does that infer that some groups of Muslims are recruiting those with mental illness? It is certainly more sane to have someone else do your dirty work than to do it yourself and killed.

Mental illness?

Seriously?

The term "mentally ill" is extremely subjective.

They're targeting the same people almost every nefarious organization targets loaners and those dumb enough (or naive enough), hence substitutable to manipulation. The sick part is that most people aren't radical - they just happen to stumble on radical philosophy such as the ISIS and are quickly sucked into it.

Is that mental illness?
 
Could this be the American version of the suicide bomber?

It is too hard for these mentally deficiant people to get a bomb so they go with hatchets.

Perhaps the downgrade to hatchets from bombs is meaningful to terrorists. Perhaps it is the case that the more one struggles while killing armed cops the greater the odds of obtaining access to heaven. If such positive correlations exist among these idiots then I support such practice but do not agree that they struggle enough to gain entrance to heaven.

Heaven is eternal bliss. Struggling with hatchets may not do. Next time they should use paper as a weapon and really struggle attempting to murder fully armed cops or SWAT teams for instance. Then, and only then heaven may be granted!
 
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