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Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

fmw said:
Perhaps a better way to think of it is to understand that there is no way to prevent attacks like these. We do need to harden ourselves to them since they will continue to happen. We need to spend our time attacking the beliefs that cause these converted nuts to do what they do. They are converting to Islam because they are sorry people who get support from the mosques they enter. They are getting harmful motivations along with that support at those mosques and we need to find ways to counter it.
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Hey, I have an idea...How's about we leave the PC crap aside, and start looking at the Mosque's in our own country, and the Imam's that preside there and recognize them for what they are, radical indoctrination centers, and stop accepting the Taqiyya they disseminate to us here, and realize that if we are not going to 'be at war' with them, they are certainly at war with us.
 
Yep, that religous freedom crap is overrated.
j-mac said:
Hey, I have an idea...How's about we leave the PC crap aside, and start looking at the Mosque's in our own country, and the Imam's that preside there and recognize them for what they are, radical indoctrination centers, and stop accepting the Taqiyya they disseminate to us here, and realize that if we are not going to 'be at war' with them, they are certainly at war with us.
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mak2 said:
Actually no, I am a Christian.
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Ok, but we have attacks on Christian religious freedoms now in this country. I don't think it is unreasonable to place heightened scrutiny on these radicals in this country that are using the political goals of Islam, to recruit, and let loose these lone wolf attackers on our own soil...By hiding behind the cloak of religious freedom, and the paralyzing fear of the left to offend them we are giving them a free pass to kill innocent American's.
 
j-mac said:
Ok, but we have attacks on Christian religious freedoms now in this country. I don't think it is unreasonable to place heightened scrutiny on these radicals in this country that are using the political goals of Islam, to recruit, and let loose these lone wolf attackers on our own soil...By hiding behind the cloak of religious freedom, and the paralyzing fear of the left to offend them we are giving them a free pass to kill innocent American's.
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How many Islamic "lone wolf" attackers have their actually been and compare that number to lone wolf mass killers who had nothing to do with Islam.

You are far more likely to die at the hands of a fellow American than this recent paranoia about lone wolf Islamic killers who in Canada by the way, both were self radicalized on the internet and had nothing to do with a Mosque.

Lone wolves are a nightmare security scenario and they are also a problem you cannot really solve.

Even the Secret Service admits that Lone Wolves present one of the biggest threats to the President and they're not 100% they could ever fully protect him against one.
 
I think a Mosque should have all the legal protections my Church has. Every single one. They should be able to enter a mosque for survillence at exactly the same point they can come to my UCC Church. It has nothing at all to do with political correctness, it has everything to do with my selfish desire to practice MY religion freely as I see fit. I am not aware of my religion being attacked, at you talking about HobbyLobby?
j-mac said:
Ok, but we have attacks on Christian religious freedoms now in this country. I don't think it is unreasonable to place heightened scrutiny on these radicals in this country that are using the political goals of Islam, to recruit, and let loose these lone wolf attackers on our own soil...By hiding behind the cloak of religious freedom, and the paralyzing fear of the left to offend them we are giving them a free pass to kill innocent American's.
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Jetboogieman said:
How many Islamic "lone wolf" attackers have their actually been and compare that number to lone wolf mass killers who had nothing to do with Islam.

You are far more likely to die at the hands of a fellow American than this recent paranoia about lone wolf Islamic killers who in Canada by the way, both were self radicalized on the internet and had nothing to do with a Mosque.

Lone wolves are a nightmare security scenario and they are also a problem you cannot really solve.

Even the Secret Service admits that Lone Wolves present one of the biggest threats to the President and they're not 100% they could ever fully protect him against one.
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"How many" should not be the bench mark as if there is some magic red line of cases that occurs that once passed we suddenly acknowledge that we have a problem with internal enemies being radicalized on our shores...I agree that "lone wolf" scenarios are not only frightening, but troublesome in the respect that if we are not going to look at, or address the underlying causes, and motivations of these attackers, and speak honestly about them, then we will continue to have needless death here, and all collectively just be able to say what a shame as we see ourselves defenseless against them due to PC concern.
 
I think you are correct. I dont think how many matters, as long as there is one law biding Muslim in this cournty he should be allowed to practice his religion freely, including going to mosque without the police. My goodness, I love how the right wingers are so gungho the constituion and stuff until, wel, they aint.
j-mac said:
"How many" should not be the bench mark as if there is some magic red line of cases that occurs that once passed we suddenly acknowledge that we have a problem with internal enemies being radicalized on our shores...I agree that "lone wolf" scenarios are not only frightening, but troublesome in the respect that if we are not going to look at, or address the underlying causes, and motivations of these attackers, and speak honestly about them, then we will continue to have needless death here, and all collectively just be able to say what a shame as we see ourselves defenseless against them due to PC concern.
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mak2 said:
I think a Mosque should have all the legal protections my Church has. Every single one. They should be able to enter a mosque for survillence at exactly the same point they can come to my UCC Church. It has nothing at all to do with political correctness, it has everything to do with my selfish desire to practice MY religion freely as I see fit. I am not aware of my religion being attacked, at you talking about HobbyLobby?
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Maybe Hobby Lobby on an individual level as in that was the Business owners religious freedoms being infringed, but there are more cases such as the University of Notre Dame v. the Federal Government, and the Little Sisters of the Poor v. the Federal Government....etc.

No one is suggesting that we 'outlaw' Islam in America, but I think at a time when a radicalized faction of that religion is at war with us, it is prudent to implement heightened scrutiny.
 
mak2 said:
I think you are correct. I dont think how many matters, as long as there is one law biding Muslim in this cournty he should be allowed to practice his religion freely, including going to mosque without the police. My goodness, I love how the right wingers are so gungho the constituion and stuff until, wel, they aint.
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No, that's not true....I don't think we should be approaching a war with one hand tied behind our backs.
 
Ok, but we have to be very careful...
j-mac said:
Maybe Hobby Lobby on an individual level as in that was the Business owners religious freedoms being infringed, but there are more cases such as the University of Notre Dame v. the Federal Government, and the Little Sisters of the Poor v. the Federal Government....etc.

No one is suggesting that we 'outlaw' Islam in America, but I think at a time when a radicalized faction of that religion is at war with us, it is prudent to implement heightened scrutiny.
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mak2 said:
Ok, but we have to be very careful...
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On that we can agree...I don't want to see any peaceful people have to have their God given rights infringed, however, we should recognize that the radicals within the Islamic religion are as much a threat to peaceful Muslims, as they are a threat to innocent Americans....Anwar Al Awlaki (sp?) practiced right here in America, and with that freedom he not only was in contact with some of the 9/11 hijackers, but also with the Ft. Hood terrorist. So, to sit on our hands, and whine about 'oh, what can we do' as if we are helpless in going after the obvious is ridiculous to me, and not America as I know it.
 
But when we start infringing on our own freedoms we really have lost.
j-mac said:
On that we can agree...I don't want to see any peaceful people have to have their God given rights infringed, however, we should recognize that the radicals within the Islamic religion are as much a threat to peaceful Muslims, as they are a threat to innocent Americans....Anwar Al Awlaki (sp?) practiced right here in America, and with that freedom he not only was in contact with some of the 9/11 hijackers, but also with the Ft. Hood terrorist. So, to sit on our hands, and whine about 'oh, what can we do' as if we are helpless in going after the obvious is ridiculous to me, and not America as I know it.
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mak2 said:
But when we start infringing on our own freedoms we really have lost.
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Well, I don't presume to have all of the answers, but I know that treating this like we are just fighting common crime like auto theft, and allowing these radicals to hide behind legitimate religion is not working...I will also say that until the Muslims stand up to these abominations within their own religion, and denounce the them it will not change...

So, if the greater good is served by knowing the distinction, and publicly exposing the filth that hides there, we are at risk, as are our allies. We didn't ask for this, but we sure as hell can end it.
 
j-mac said:
Ok, but we have attacks on Christian religious freedoms now in this country. I don't think it is unreasonable to place heightened scrutiny on these radicals in this country that are using the political goals of Islam, to recruit, and let loose these lone wolf attackers on our own soil...By hiding behind the cloak of religious freedom, and the paralyzing fear of the left to offend them we are giving them a free pass to kill innocent American's.
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The fear from the left is palatable. They would never do anything like 'Piss Mohamed' because they are aware of the consequences. Same with the Mohamed cartoons, or the Seattle reporter who naively suggested that everyone participate in a 'Draw Mohamed Day", and who now has had to change her name and live her life in hiding.

Christian is religion to Leftists and can therefore be criticized whereas they believe Islam is a race and therefore must remain above criticism.
 
Jetboogieman said:
How many Islamic "lone wolf" attackers have their actually been and compare that number to lone wolf mass killers who had nothing to do with Islam.
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And what would that tell you? That suicide bombers are not a threat? That Muslims groups have not declared war on the US , Canada and Western Europe?
You are far more likely to die at the hands of a fellow American than this recent paranoia about lone wolf Islamic killers who in Canada by the way, both were self radicalized on the internet and had nothing to do with a Mosque. Lone wolves are a nightmare security scenario and they are also a problem you cannot really solve. Even the Secret Service admits that Lone Wolves present one of the biggest threats to the President and they're not 100% they could ever fully protect him against one.
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Israel suffered from this same 'paranoia' of 'lone wolf attackers' (AKA suicide bombers) and they did something about it. Of course the wall they built to secure their safety was much protested by the Left who preferred that the Israel people also leave themselves vulnerable to Muslim attacks.
 
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