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Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC [W:110]

Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

Those with even the slightest left lean would do well to spend less time posturing to protect the federal executive branch and more time being sensitive to the great majority of their fellow Americans' legitimate concerns.

Mentioning that ebola is not an airborne virus, transmission requires contact with bodily fluids/secretions, the risk of transmission when one is not symptomatic is remote, etc., does not mean that one is seeking to "protect" the White House. Those details are based on what's currently known about the virus. A useful source:

WHO | Ebola virus disease

I've mentioned that the initial CDC communications were suboptimal and that the Dallas experience highlighted some gaps that needed to be addressed. Those things aside, the U.S. remains in a very strong position to avoid an ebola epidemic.

Finally, a mutation that leads to airborne transmission of ebola is extremely unlikely. Two links that were shared with me:

From Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases:
Don't Expect Ebola to Go Airborne

From Microbiology & Immunology Professor Vincent Racaniello of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University:
What we are not afraid to say about Ebola virus
 
Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

Personally, if it were me, I would have self-quarantined for the full 21 days after my having returned out of an abundance of caution. I do think that once he began feeling sluggish, he should have restricted his contact with the public. At that point, there was a probability that he could become symptomatic e.g., sudden onset of fever, so there was a chance that it could have happened when he was in contact with the public.

Fortunately, Ebola is not an airborne virus. So far, there are no reports that he was symptomatic while in the public.

Also, NYC has a number of amazing world-class hospitals. I have great confidence that the doctor's case (and any others that might occur in the greater NYC area e.g., from people who returned from Ebola-stricken areas) will be handled with the attention to detail and competence necessary to minimize the risk of its spreading to the health care workers who treat him (and any other future ebola patients). Of course, there's always some small probability of their being infected, but I think it is probably as low as it could be given present knowledge and protection.
No, Ebola is not airborne .. .. yet.

But, the quickest way to get it to mutate to airborne is to expose it to many different DNA hosts: http://www.debatepolitics.com/health-care/204375-causes-virus-like-ebola-become-airborne-right-host.html

Virologists are concerned, and our stepped up prevention is warranted.

No one wants to be that last "Typhoid Mary" chain in the link.

It's not just about not infecting the next guy.

It's also about not letting the virus have a chance to mutate to airborne.

Better extra careful safe than lose a quarter of the world's population sorry.
 
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OMFG. You really think NOT freaking out is to "protect" Obama?

The problem is that the vast majority of these concerns AREN'T legitimate. It's sheer panic.

As usual....you have no clue as to what you are talking about.


Transmission of Ebola virus from pigs to non-human primates.....

In 2009, Reston-EBOV was the first EBOV detected in swine with indicated transmission to humans. In-contact transmission of Zaire-EBOV (ZEBOV) between pigs was demonstrated experimentally. Here we show ZEBOV transmission from pigs to cynomolgus macaques without direct contact. Interestingly, transmission between macaques in similar housing conditions was never observed. Piglets inoculated oro-nasally with ZEBOV were transferred to the room housing macaques in an open inaccessible cage system. All macaques became infected. Infectious virus was detected in oro-nasal swabs of piglets, and in blood, swabs, and tissues of macaques. This is the first report of experimental interspecies virus transmission, with the macaques also used as a human surrogate. Our finding may influence prevention and control measures during EBOV outbreaks.....snip~

Transmission of Ebola virus from pigs to non-human primates : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group
 
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Infected Country or Countries is the term the MS Media uses...

Below is a more detailed map from the World Health Organization's Ebola Situation Report of October 22, 2014 (an update may be issued later today):

ebolasituationreport10222014.jpg
 
Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

Mentioning that ebola is not an airborne virus, transmission requires contact with bodily fluids/secretions, the risk of transmission when one is not symptomatic is remote, etc., does not mean that one is seeking to "protect" the White House. Those details are based on what's currently known about the virus. A useful source:

WHO | Ebola virus disease

I've mentioned that the initial CDC communications were suboptimal and that the Dallas experience highlighted some gaps that needed to be addressed. Those things aside, the U.S. remains in a very strong position to avoid an ebola epidemic.

Finally, a mutation that leads to airborne transmission of ebola is extremely unlikely. Two links that were shared with me:

From Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases:
Don't Expect Ebola to Go Airborne

From Microbiology & Immunology Professor Vincent Racaniello of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University:
What we are not afraid to say about Ebola virus



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There has been a lot of on-line and published controversy about whether Ebola virus can be transmitted via aerosols. Most scientific and medical personnel, along with public health organizations, have been unequivocal in their statements that Ebola can be transmitted only by direct contact with virus-laden fluids2,3 and that the only modes of transmission we should be concerned with are those termed "droplet" and "contact."
These statements are based on two lines of reasoning. The first is that no one located at a distance from an infected individual has contracted the disease, or the converse, every person infected has had (or must have had) "direct" contact with the body fluids of an infected person.

This reflects an incorrect and outmoded understanding of infectious aerosols, which has been institutionalized in policies, language, culture, and approaches to infection control. We will address this below. Briefly, however, the important points are that virus-laden bodily fluids may be aerosolized and inhaled while a person is in proximity to an infectious person and that a wide range of particle sizes can be inhaled and deposited throughout the respiratory tract......snip~

COMMENTARY: Health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola | CIDRAP

We recommend using "aerosol transmissible" rather than the outmoded terms "droplet" or "airborne" to describe pathogens that can transmit disease via infectious particles suspended in air......snip~
 
Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

OMFG. You really think NOT freaking out is to "protect" Obama?

The problem is that the vast majority of these concerns AREN'T legitimate. It's sheer panic.
:roll:

nivniesseit
 
Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

THAT----WAS----A-----GREAT----POST! I think you nailed it.
Thank you, J-Mac. :)

I did put some work into the post, so I appreciate your recognition.
 
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This guy is a Doctor.....an yet as a Doctor he shows us how even Doctors can be fools. This mope knew he was working with Ebola Patients. For 8 months he was in Guinea. He should have isolated himself Right off the top coming from the Infected Country.

Not only was he out bowling.....but he took the subway, then went out to the park.

Was also out jogging.....which he said he was feeling down then.

Remember the doctors that contracted it in West Africa saying they followed strict protocols and they are stunned that they still got it? Such statements and now this doctor who, presumably also followed strict protocols when treating patients in West Africa also contracted the disease. For it to be so difficult to get, it seemingly is very resilient to get by those who know best how to prevent it and who are best protected. It makes me doubt the whole "it's very difficult to contract Ebola" message.
 
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I had August 29th plus the level of transmission throughout the whole Country...

The difference in the maps shows how the virus has spread. FWIW, the average daily figures for confirmed, probable, and suspected worldwide ebola cases for the last 3 weekly periods is below:

7-Day Period Ending:
October 5: 122 per day
October 12: 138 per day
October 19: 134 per day
 
Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

OMFG. You really think NOT freaking out is to "protect" Obama?

The problem is that the vast majority of these concerns AREN'T legitimate. It's sheer panic.

The more Ebola and ISIS are in the news, the worse it is for Democrats and the worse it is for Obama's policies which are on the ballots this mid-term.
 
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The more Ebola and ISIS are in the news, the worse it is for Democrats and the worse it is for Obama's policies which are on the ballots this mid-term.

Probably true, although the notion that Ebola is somehow Democrats' fault is mindnumbingly stupid.
 
Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

In a city as big as NYC??! Let's just hope and pray that this won't get out of hand!! I know this is being compared to Aids in it's early days, but at least the symptoms don't lie dormant for yrs,giving people time to infect hundreds of people over a period of time. If someone gets Ebola we'll know within 3 wks!

The conspiracy terrorist theories are hilarious!!! Come on people!
Yes, our most densely packed metropolis -- let's indeed pray.

Though the good doctor most certainly did not intend for anything bad to happen, epidemic-wise, I'm struck by the following two likely scenarios:

1. Either he knew he was sufficiently exposed to blood, vomit, and feces in West Africa to warrant him returning to America for the best care and his behavior was selfish and arrogant in not immediately self-isolating and contacting the CDC and demanding protective isolation quarantine ..

.. or 2. he didn't think he could possibly have the disease as he knew he didn't have sufficient exposure to blood, vomit, and feces, wore what he believed was adequate protection when he was treating patients in West Africa .. and he was wrong about how the disease can be transmitted. :shock:

Though the great majority of medical professionals think like this doctor with respect to how the disease is transmitted, virologists are, nevertheless, concerned about mutation to airborne.

The less exposure our populace takes, the less likely the disease will mutate to airborne here.
 
Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

Remember the doctors that contracted it in West Africa saying they followed strict protocols and they are stunned that they still got it? Such statements and now this doctor who, presumably also followed strict protocols when treating patients in West Africa also contracted the disease. For it to be so difficult to get, it seemingly is very resilient to get by those who know best how to prevent it and who are best protected. It makes me doubt the whole "it's very difficult to contract Ebola" message.
Yes.

What you've just presented, that message is not lost on the general populous.

Doctors want us to believe the disease is hard to catch, then another professional healthcare person gets it again.

The "professionals" would do well to be more "bedside manner" sensitive to the population at large regarding their "don't worry" message.
 
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Probably true, although the notion that Ebola is somehow Democrats' fault is mindnumbingly stupid.

Right - it's certainly not the fault of Democrats. The nuance however is the main Democrat in Obama is not doing enough to prevent the ingress of new cases by taking more stringent steps to either deny entry of people traveling to the US from West Africa or for stricter quarantine measures. It's a rock in a hard place... if he doesn't do much and Ebola continues to trickle in it's bad... if he does the travel restrictions and harsh quarantine measure it spreads panic and show the US doesn't have a firm grasp on how to medically handle the situation.
 
Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

Remember the doctors that contracted it in West Africa saying they followed strict protocols and they are stunned that they still got it? Such statements and now this doctor who, presumably also followed strict protocols when treating patients in West Africa also contracted the disease. For it to be so difficult to get, it seemingly is very resilient to get by those who know best how to prevent it and who are best protected. It makes me doubt the whole "it's very difficult to contract Ebola" message.

Except (so far at least) the people in the U.S. getting Ebola were clearly in direct contact, and repeated contact, with people sick and dying of Ebola. There have been no cases (at least so far) of any incidental contact leading to infection, e.g. a door knob, etc.
 
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Except (so far at least) the people in the U.S. getting Ebola were clearly in direct contact, and repeated contact, with people sick and dying of Ebola. There have been no cases (at least so far) of any incidental contact leading to infection, e.g. a door knob, etc.

So far that is true. That however may change going forward and it is prudent to take proactive steps to prevent it spreading without direct contact with a sick/dying Ebola infected person. Wouldn't you agree?
 
Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

Yeah, yeah, you say that about every thread I post, and do your best to derail every thread as well. Its Personal, it get it!



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If the shoe fits...
 
Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

Yes, our most densely packed metropolis -- let's indeed pray.

Though the good doctor most certainly did not intend for anything bad to happen, epidemic-wise, I'm struck by the following two likely scenarios:

1. Either he knew he was sufficiently exposed to blood, vomit, and feces in West Africa to warrant him returning to America for the best care and his behavior was selfish and arrogant in not immediately self-isolating and contacting the CDC and demanding protective isolation quarantine ..

.. or 2. he didn't think he could possibly have the disease as he knew he didn't have sufficient exposure to blood, vomit, and feces, wore what he believed was adequate protection when he was treating patients in West Africa .. and he was wrong about how the disease can be transmitted. :shock:

Though the great majority of medical professionals think like this doctor with respect to how the disease is transmitted, virologists are, nevertheless, concerned about mutation to airborne.

The less exposure our populace takes, the less likely the disease will mutate to airborne here.


MSN stated the Doctor's temperature was 100.3 not 103. That is a significant difference. It will be interesting to observe if NYC reacts in the cluster**** manner of Dallas with all its' careless mistakes. The article went on to state the Doctor was tired Tuesday, went out bowling Wednesday, and was 100.3 on Thursday and reported himself. 3 of his close people quarantined, apartment closed off, etc. Sounds good. These professionals know when they volunteer what the risks can be. I admire the fact he was selfless enough to try to help. Does this case indicate that all professionals returning from an Ebola hotspot be quarantined? Perhaps?
 
Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

Friends do NOT expose Friends to Ebola!

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Friends don't scream fire in a theater.
 
Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

Mentioning that ebola is not an airborne virus, transmission requires contact with bodily fluids/secretions, the risk of transmission when one is not symptomatic is remote, etc., does not mean that one is seeking to "protect" the White House. Those details are based on what's currently known about the virus. A useful source:

WHO | Ebola virus disease

I've mentioned that the initial CDC communications were suboptimal and that the Dallas experience highlighted some gaps that needed to be addressed. Those things aside, the U.S. remains in a very strong position to avoid an ebola epidemic.

Finally, a mutation that leads to airborne transmission of ebola is extremely unlikely. Two links that were shared with me:

From Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases:
Don't Expect Ebola to Go Airborne

From Microbiology & Immunology Professor Vincent Racaniello of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University:
What we are not afraid to say about Ebola virus
A number of left-leaners are obviously more concerned about protecting their political power allies than being sensitive to the majority population's intelligent real concerns.

Your premise (stating how doctors think Ebola is/isn't transmitted) does not logically lead to your conclusion (no one is trying to protect the White House).

That's a disconnect.

A number of left-leaners are insensitively mocking the intelligent real concerns of the majority population.

The leading logical reason such mocking would occur .. is because the mockers are scared, scared of political repercussions.

As to your second link, that's clearly a political damage-control link, an appeal to administrative authority, and is thus of no value.

With regard to your third link, you may wish to read it again, as it is clearly saying "we don't know" all there is to know about how a virus mutates to airborne. Though they haven't witnessed that mutation recently, they know it can indeed occur.

There's more to be considered: http://www.debatepolitics.com/health-care/204375-causes-virus-like-ebola-become-airborne-right-host.html.

It's best that we all be sensitive to the great majority's intelligent real concerns.

The quickest way to start a real panic is to ignore or mock those intelligent real concerns and for those with the authority to do something to do nothing.

The mockers need to stop their panic-creating behavior ..

.. And show some intelligent sensitivity. :cool:
 
Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

I also don't think any EU countries are issuing 100 visas per day to Africans from countries with the Ebola outbreak.

This is why Obama has made it political. 1,000 visas per week are still being issued by the Obama State Dept. to Africans from three West African countries with the Ebola outbreak and most are likely visas over stays. In layman terms as soon as their visas expires they will still be in America, will become illegal aliens aka undocumented Democrats and will just wait around for amnesty.

That's the real reason why the Obama administration refuses to stop incoming passengers from West Africa entering our country.

1000 eh?

Got a link? Oh that's right you just post stuff and expect us to believe it.
 
Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

I do NOT believe a 100% travel ban is needed, or in the best interests of America.

I think we should limit those traveling to and from West Africa to essential Ebola Aid personnel ONLY.

I think we (America) need to be very heavily involved in the combating of Ebola in Western Africa, and to support that effort, we need to be sending somewhere around 20,000 emergency drafted Doctors, Nurses and Hospital Mechanics to Africa. We need to learn what we can from working in Africa, and have those bitter, but essential lessons telecom sent back to the USA. We need to create a cadre of experienced Doctors and Nurses, who after being carefully cleared, return to teach our people.

I think that we need to implement an 8 week remote isolation health monitoring camp period as part of the return protocol.

I think that about half of the drafted 20,000 doctors and nurses will die in Africa, but that cost is worth the benefit to the United States.

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Thinking is dangerous for the paranoid.
 
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It turns out, they've already got a vaccine, and have had it for years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/h...tial-ebola-vaccine-was-shelved-for-years.html

I am beginning to suspect the following:

The vaccine is already human trialed and fully viable.

They have already made a few hundred million doses, and it has been distributed to the selected survivors.

The Wealthy, the Liberal Elite, the Chosen Workers are already all immune and have been for over a year.

Obama and crew are not worried, because they are immune.

They have an Enemies of World Liberalism List, and if your name is on it, you've not been given the vaccine, and it is likely you will die in the next few months.

This is the Obama Answer to Stalin's Purges.

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:lamo :lamo :lamo

You're killing me! :lamo
 
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