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Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

Its always fun to watch you struggle and cajole with the facts. Shuffle and spin rather than try to attempt to deal with the fact that the only state with as many people working for minimum wage as Texas is Mississippi. Wow...that must make you very uncomfortable Con....

The fact is it is against California law to pay the Federal minimum wage and the only states surveyed by BLS are those that pay the Federal Minimum wage. Sorry, but you really don't have a clue. Please tell me how many Californians make California minimum wage?
 

LOL, yep, those dumbass Californians that continue to move here to take low paying jobs and not have insurance. Apparently then never learned that state law supports taking care of all their citizens by having the taxpayers fund all those liberal social programs. Interest that California leads the nation in poverty so I guess the real dumb people are the ones that remain.
 
LOL....Texas doesn't give away the state? Why are they one of the top 9 states in the amount of corporate welfare they hand out? Why does Texas consistently rank in the bottom on education spending and healthcare? The answer is contrary to your claims con.
Missouri Is One of the Top States . . . in Corporate Welfare - Show-Me Daily - Show-Me Daily

Again, another topic you know nothing about. What is corporate welfare in TX? How about allowing businesses to keep more of what they earn? Any idea what they do with that money or what the workers who hold those jobs do with theirs? Didn't think so which is what California is an economic disaster. Do they teach economics in California?
 
LOL, yep, those dumbass Californians that continue to move here to take low paying jobs and not have insurance. Apparently then never learned that state law supports taking care of all their citizens by having the taxpayers fund all those liberal social programs. Interest that California leads the nation in poverty so I guess the real dumb people are the ones that remain.

I don't see many Californians packing up to move to the armpit of the country called Texas. I think thats just another of your pipedreams Conservative. But be careful what you ask for. It Californians truly do move there...they will speed up the shift of Texas to a blue state...and good luck winning national elections when that happens.
 
Again, another topic you know nothing about. What is corporate welfare in TX? How about allowing businesses to keep more of what they earn? Any idea what they do with that money or what the workers who hold those jobs do with theirs? Didn't think so which is what California is an economic disaster. Do they teach economics in California?

Actually California has rebounded quite well now that we have a Democratic Governor.
 
I don't see many Californians packing up to move to the armpit of the country called Texas. I think thats just another of your pipedreams Conservative. But be careful what you ask for. It Californians truly do move there...they will speed up the shift of Texas to a blue state...and good luck winning national elections when that happens.

Of course you don't because you only pay attention to what the left tells you. Census date would help you understand what is going on. Only a true liberal believes those moving to TX are so stupid that they want TX to be more like California. Leading the nation in population growth and job creation along with having a balanced budget really bothers you apparently
 
Actually California has rebounded quite well now that we have a Democratic Governor.

LOL, yep, keep kicking that can down the road, maybe the bill will come due when you are dead. Your grandchildren obviously will have to pay it
 

I don't think your link provides the "oops" you were looking for. A lefty funded liberal rag is probably not the greatest source. However, the article did contain some important truths. Perhaps you missed them and was just caught up in the headline.

Oops: The Texas Miracle That Isn’t by Phillip Longman | The Washington Monthly



...only 28 percent of the jobs created in or relocated to Texas since 2001 pay in the lowest quarter of the nation’s wage distribution. By comparison, jobs paying in the top half account for about 45 percent of the new jobs in Texas.

This means that Texas has been creating or attracting middle- and high-wage jobs at a far faster pace than the rest of the country taken as whole. For example, between 2001 and 2012, the number of Texas jobs in the upper-middle quarter of the nation’s wage distribution increased by 25.6 percent. This compares with a 4.1 percent decline in the number of such jobs outside of Texas. Though coming off a comparatively small base, Texas has also outperformed the rest of the country in its growth of high-paying jobs.​

Yep, that's certainly an awful record.....
 
LOL....Texas doesn't give away the state? Why are they one of the top 9 states in the amount of corporate welfare they hand out? Why does Texas consistently rank in the bottom on education spending and healthcare? The answer is contrary to your claims con.
Missouri Is One of the Top States . . . in Corporate Welfare - Show-Me Daily - Show-Me Daily

Your economic ignorance is staggering. You apparently would rather have one person paying a thousand dollars in taxes vs. three people paying 350 each? The multiplier effect has no place in the liberal world

Do you think businesses like having sales on their products? If everyone who comes into the store only buys the sales item the company ends up losing a lot of money. That doesn't happen for once in the store people tend to by more than just the sales items and that principle works even better at the state level. Businesses paying lower taxes creates new taxpayers for the state so the net benefit was a big plus. One of these days the lightbulb is going to go off in that head of yours.
 
Thread about californa: BASH ******** TEXAS!
 
Actually California has rebounded quite well now that we have a Democratic Governor.

LOL :2rofll:

Thanks my friend, I can always use a laugh. Ask Jerry how many billions they have yet to pay back from the various funds they raided to balance the budget. Or, you could ask how his state employee pension reform program worked out.
 
Yes, most people don't look past their bellies and undermine the whole process by readily allowing themselves to be exploited.

Or.. In this case.. They chased a company away that was ready to pay good wages and good benefits all because that company didn't want a stacked deck, card check election. Instead, leaving people with a empty belly rather than a belly that could have been full with a good job. Again.. Those unions sure aren't the brightest.
 
Thank you very much for thinking I was unfamiliar with the proper usage of the word terrorize. As a Union hack who refers to temporary workers a vile scabs, I'm sure you're quite familiar with its proper usage.

Yet, let's not kid ourselves, the only reason card check is used is to remove the privacy an election provides. As you no doubt know, pro-union forces are very interested in learning who is standing in the way of their objective.

Sorry, but I've been one of those people on the other side of the table listening to the rhetoric. Thankfully, my employees understood what they would be giving up should a union organizing attempt be successful. As such, the unions scare tactics were never successful. And my employees were the ones who decided that.

Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

:thumbs: True Democracy in action at your place of business! Let people make their own decisions about how they want to live. I understand that the people in the various cities and towns in Switzerland vote in the middle of their town square on things that affect their daily lives. While they have a central government for national interests that affect everyone, they don't interfere otherwise. And the Swiss people are expected to have guns in every home, and to take recurrent training to stay skilled in the use of same. Even Grannys are sharp shooters, and know how to defend themselves! Would you invade such a country? Hitler opted not to!

Oops, Trick or treaters are here! Beggars's Night has begun...back later.
 
"Only business owners should have a say in what is fair for the workers they employ."
No. Employment is a mutual agreement on the terms of that employment. If I offer you less than you feel you are worth, then you are free to go work elsewhere. That is how a free people interact within a free society. But I get that many people--including you, probably--aren't all that interested in a free, rights respecting society.
 
Or.. In this case.. They chased a company away that was ready to pay good wages and good benefits all because that company didn't want a stacked deck, card check election. Instead, leaving people with a empty belly rather than a belly that could have been full with a good job. Again.. Those unions sure aren't the brightest.

From the link.

They are using California’s environmental laws as a pretense to put leverage on the company to get what they want,” Kinkisharyo spokesman Coby King told FoxNews.com. “It’s unfortunate when groups that don’t care about the well-being of the environment use the laws to delay, and even kill, good business development.”

Using the law to get what they want? The hell you say...

My God, it's not like, business would ever use laws (that their lobbyists write) to their advantage, right?

:wow:
 
The job is worth what someone is willing to do it for. As for this specific company, they werne't even against the union.. They were against the stacked deck of a card check election and they claim they pay a decent salary and haven't had employment issues in the past. So.. Maybe not so much.

Or.. In this case.. They chased a company away that was ready to pay good wages and good benefits all because that company didn't want a stacked deck, card check election. Instead, leaving people with a empty belly rather than a belly that could have been full with a good job. Again.. Those unions sure aren't the brightest.

1) You're reading like a regurgitated talking point.

2) Card check is a simple majority rules vote, the same as any other union vote with the exception of skipping the formality of a secret ballot. It's not different math, it's not different voters. It's just public. There's nothing stacked about public voting, our congress does it on every bill. If it's good enough for congress, it's probably good enough for the rest of us.
 
1) You're reading like a regurgitated talking point.

2) Card check is a simple majority rules vote, the same as any other union vote with the exception of skipping the formality of a secret ballot. It's not different math, it's not different voters. It's just public. There's nothing stacked about public voting, our congress does it on every bill. If it's good enough for congress, it's probably good enough for the rest of us.

Then the unions should be happy to allow the vote go through without it.. But, they won't because it is different.
 
I don't see many Californians packing up to move to the armpit of the country called Texas. I think thats just another of your pipedreams Conservative. But be careful what you ask for. It Californians truly do move there...they will speed up the shift of Texas to a blue state...and good luck winning national elections when that happens.

Careful what you call Texas! It is not the armpit of the country, and there is a reason why California businesses are leaving to relocate to Texas. They are not welcome there. Governor Brown has plans to repay 28 billion in debt, which leaves over a hundred billion more to go. Good luck getting the illegals jobs so they can contribute rather than say gimme.
 
Then the unions should be happy to allow the vote go through without it.. But, they won't because it is different.
A) It's not different. Employees vote, majority rules, it's just public.

B) The "union friendly" company should be happy to let the vote go through unless, as logic would dictate, they're not particularly union friendly.
 
A) It's not different. Employees vote, majority rules, it's just public.

Public itself makes it different. Card check and the current (standard) process is why the company does not want it and the union is insisting on it. Sorry that you don't see that.

B) The "union friendly" company should be happy to let the vote go through unless, as logic would dictate, they're not particularly union friendly.

No one said they were.
 
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